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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
3/30/2017 5:09 PM
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. I'd agree with this but Phil is still just a symptom of problems that predated him by like a decade. The 54 win team was clearly an anomaly with this franchise. (And if 54 wins, 2nd round playoffs is your best season in 17 years, it's a sign of a terribly dysfunctional organization.) |
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martin
Posts: 79989 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
3/30/2017 5:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. Phil had nothing to do with JKidd retiring, Sheed retiring, KT getting old, Marcus Camby moving on, Ronnie Brewer forgetting how to shoot. Didn't have anything to do with the Bargnani trade. That was 54 wins to 37. Phil is responsible for 37 to 17. So again. Why do you keep bringing in something that has ZERO to do with Phil? The 54 season was a flash in the pan UNLESS you think it was a good idea to bring back the core of that team, and that certainly started with Kidd. Also, are you a proponent of building on top of JRSmith, gun-toting Felton, Flu Chandler, Shumpert and the rest of the 37 win team? If you are, say it. Bring back those guys and fight for 40+ wins and let us know how that is a good plan. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
3/30/2017 6:01 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. How do you know it was an anomaly?..They started dismantling the FO office and undermine the coach immediately after the 54 win season... |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
3/30/2017 6:05 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. Phil is the only front office staffer who had full autonomy. The only predated mess he had to deal with was picks. His main problem is roster construction and probably not using the advance analytical stats that are at his disposal. His main problem was identifying Melo as a 3 and not a 4 when the stats showed he was at his best in a small ball line up. You can not build a good team around any player slotted in the wrong hole. |
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
3/30/2017 6:09 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. I don't disagree but having a team owner who picks terrible GMs is a problem that predated Phil by a decade or more. |
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
3/30/2017 6:12 PM
holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. Dolan dismantles the FO every few years and then picks other bad executives. 54 was an anomaly because it happened once in about 15 years. |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
3/30/2017 6:13 PM
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. I would have been a proponent of not including bad contracts in trades with your good assets. So I would have probably cut J.R. Smith and Felton or maybe just Felton and see if I could work with Smith one more time similar to how the Lakers worked with Nick Young. |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
3/30/2017 6:16 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. True but in those other cases do you know if they were bad because they had to do what DOlan said or were they bad on their own? |
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
3/30/2017 6:18 PM
I think Dallas is seriously overrated.
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
3/30/2017 6:18 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. Impossible to know but Isiah has failed at a lot of things post-playing. I doubt Dolan really made 100% of the decisions with any of them. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/30/2017 7:35 PM
martin wrote:Okay. Take the 54 win season out. That is fair but do you think Phil got good value in any of the trades that you mentioned? Also, what has Phil done intentionally that has ended up improving the Knicks since he took over? Getting the pick that became Willy was a great move. Ending up at the 4 spot wasn't his intention but it worked out well. The Grant trade looked good at the time. Signing Rolo was good but trading him was a mistake if you are building around KP. I am sure there are a few others but I can't think of any.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
3/30/2017 7:39 PM
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. But that doesn't fit with the agenda quite as well. Every time I read 54 wins these days I just stop reading. People are going to post complete made up garbage to push their agenda. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/30/2017 7:43 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:What do you think the problem is Meloshouldgo? Do you think there is only one problem with this team?martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 28100 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
3/30/2017 7:49 PM
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. You forgot about Shump being hurt and JR having a horrible start as well as issues. But yes 37 to 17. Still would take that team over what we have now. THJ, Shumpert, Shved, Early, Aldrich, Acy, experienced somewhat young players. We have a field of dreams. Oh yeah, I forgot, KP. who is definately a plus but we can argue he is going to be out of position, on many nights, has low assist numbers and favors a soft outside game. Yes he can improve, and I think he will, but it is yet to be seen. Every other guy on the team seems to have a back up player ceiling at best. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 28100 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
3/30/2017 7:50 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. Your right, lets just focus on Phil's record. Which I am sure you will say was intentional. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
3/30/2017 7:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:What do you think the problem is Meloshouldgo? Do you think there is only one problem with this team?martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Because to go from 54 to 17 in two years you have to mess up pretty badly. Phil has put together a roster that he thought would be competitive every year he has been in NY.CrushAlot wrote:Knixkik wrote:The domino effect was Phil taking over. The Knicks dropped 20 games in a year and they were one year removed from winning 54.holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks are 29th in Pres/GM rankings. Phil better hope Sac doesn't replace Vlade. Here's a hint: MELO SHOULD GO I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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