knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

Rose played like that way before he got to NY. He needs to turn himself into a pg and Kern how to draw contact.

Rose played the way he had to because he was the offense of the Bulls and the coach was unimaginative..But Rose had better assist numbers on the Bulls and the team played better team defense..They were a better coached team..But he has showed he is willing to make adjustments..He doesn't always go hard..

The fact that he doesn't take contact when it's easy is puzzling...If that's not coaching, I don't know what is..It's way too easy...KP also has regressed...It's coaching..Only guy impervious to all ineptness from the coaching staff is Melo..That's why you see no other offense than ISO Melo..Woodson had more diversity with Felton running the point..

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

Rose played like that way before he got to NY. He needs to turn himself into a pg and Kern how to draw contact.

Yeah, he's actually been a lot less bad here than he was 2013-15 in Chicago. .412 FG% in 127 games in Chicago vs. .461 here and .017 vs. .052 win share 48 rating.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

Rose played like that way before he got to NY. He needs to turn himself into a pg and Kern how to draw contact.

Yeah, he's actually been a lot less bad here than he was 2013-15 in Chicago. .412 FG% in 127 games in Chicago vs. .461 here and .017 vs. .052 win share 48 rating.

His injured years?

Does playing 66 games qualify as an injured year?

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

Rose played like that way before he got to NY. He needs to turn himself into a pg and Kern how to draw contact.

Yeah, he's actually been a lot less bad here than he was 2013-15 in Chicago. .412 FG% in 127 games in Chicago vs. .461 here and .017 vs. .052 win share 48 rating.

His injured years?

Does playing 66 games qualify as an injured year?

Amare played 65 games for us in 13-14 averaged 12 pts per...Was he healthy?

And he shot .557% from the field with better advanced stats than Rose had. So that's not helping your argument. You were apparently saying we shouldn't care much about Rose's 2013-15 stats because he was injured. And then you mention a player who put up good #s while injured to support your argument?

I know its only cool to point out the best in Non Knicks (don't post when THJ has an average game), or when Pop, a top 10 all time coach in the NBA's history, does something good with the second best all around player in the game, (Kawhi, two time defender player of the year), sits for a minute to discuss something with this coach.

Obviously, few coach's do this. You didn't know until you saw it on tv and Hubie brown pointed it out. From that, you draw assumptions. You draw a lot.
Draw the W-L record. That tells the story. Kawhi and Pop also have continuity. Knicks have revolving coaching staff and players.

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

The man has tunnel vision.

Nalod wrote:I recall reading that Rose played better in the last third of the season.
The injury, an orbital facial fracture really delayed his season start. As it were, once back it was a healthy season for him regarding his legs and his last thirty or so games he showed very good play.
Thats a lot of rust to shake off!

I know its only cool to point out the best in Non Knicks (don't post when THJ has an average game), or when Pop, a top 10 all time coach in the NBA's history, does something good with the second best all around player in the game, (Kawhi, two time defender player of the year), sits for a minute to discuss something with this coach.

Obviously, few coach's do this. You didn't know until you saw it on tv and Hubie brown pointed it out. From that, you draw assumptions. You draw a lot.
Draw the W-L record. That tells the story. Kawhi and Pop also have continuity. Knicks have revolving coaching staff and players.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

Rose played like that way before he got to NY. He needs to turn himself into a pg and Kern how to draw contact.

Yeah, he's actually been a lot less bad here than he was 2013-15 in Chicago. .412 FG% in 127 games in Chicago vs. .461 here and .017 vs. .052 win share 48 rating.

His injured years?

Does playing 66 games qualify as an injured year?

Amare played 65 games for us in 13-14 averaged 12 pts per...Was he healthy?

And he shot .557% from the field with better advanced stats than Rose had. So that's not helping your argument. You were apparently saying we shouldn't care much about Rose's 2013-15 stats because he was injured. And then you mention a player who put up good #s while injured to support your argument?

That's not what I asked..Was he injured??..A player can play 65/66 games and be injured..

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I can't understand how rose misses so many passes..it really is amazing, and how does the coaching staff do not insist on him passing..They need to have practices where no one shoots like pop does

No training camp and no consistency in style of play...Triagle then the change..Rose, as well, makes up his mind to go hard to the hole when he makes his first step..But it's correctable...We watch our players go to other teams and make adjustments to be better players...No doubt in my mind it will happen to Rose..

Rose played like that way before he got to NY. He needs to turn himself into a pg and Kern how to draw contact.

Yeah, he's actually been a lot less bad here than he was 2013-15 in Chicago. .412 FG% in 127 games in Chicago vs. .461 here and .017 vs. .052 win share 48 rating.

His injured years?

Does playing 66 games qualify as an injured year?

Amare played 65 games for us in 13-14 averaged 12 pts per...Was he healthy?

And he shot .557% from the field with better advanced stats than Rose had. So that's not helping your argument. You were apparently saying we shouldn't care much about Rose's 2013-15 stats because he was injured. And then you mention a player who put up good #s while injured to support your argument?

That's not what I asked..Was he injured??..A player can play 65/66 games and be injured..

That's more a matter of opinion. Does playing through an injury for parts of the season make it an "injured year" or just a normal NBA season? There's no objective way to answer that. Regardless, mentioning Amare's strong play that season has no bearing on how to interpret Rose's stats. You're just distracting from the discussion. If I answer your question with a "yes, he was injured and still played pretty well," how would that change the interpretation of Rose's seasons?

Bonn you tend to present these arguments where we get lost in the weeds and never tackle the original point..You attempted to point out Rose's "poor" years...I could say that Rose's game is highly dependant on his physical well being, you will surely rebut saying it's an opinion...

My only aim was to point out his lower stats were an aberration due to his injury history...His play and stats this season seems more reflective of stats he put up in "healthy" years..More conjecture right??