magicTs wrote:

Knicks67 wrote: quite a good video to watch on this topic.

Excellent, thanks for posting.

Any chance you have Phil Jackson's email address.....?! 😄

The notion that players will sign here to play with KP isn't based in any sort of reality. Melo was way more popular in his prime than KP is and we struggled to get names. Players don't want to come here for less money and more scrutiny. That isn't an attractive option to them. He also proposed zero possible options that make them actually better and neglected the salary purge FA move which hasn't worked for NY before so why now. In summary, I wish I could get those 10 minutes back but I never will.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Funny because the main argument for keeping Melo is that he takes up the responsibility of a father figure to the young ones. Melo pulling **** like this completely nullify that argument and since he is likely not going to get suspended, he sends a message that this kind of behavior is tolerable. What ever happened the to the guy who was organizing workouts for new players so that the team could gel together? Can't say that I'm fully on the "trade Melo" train, but you can't help but be extremely disappointed.

Has Boogie even done something as bad as that?

I'd consider this on par with stuff Boogie has done or refusing to play in games ("Rest" plague). I don't think that sends the right message either. Players only get away with it because the league is non-competitive.

It certainly seems like he asked to be ejected, his complaining was basically nothing compared to stuff I've seen go without a T, let alone an ejection. Consistent complainers like Green come to mind. Guy butchers somebody then goes insane when a foul is called. Melo's reaction was pretty rationale given it was a pretty poor miss by the officials.

A trade will be difficult more because of the CBA than the NTC. If there was a realistic scenario where he could compete following a trade (there aren't many), then I don't think we would have much trouble finding a taker and moving him. This is a problem for a lot of teams. They would probably like to unload a few guys but the salary match rule really limits things. I do have some concerns over how others would perceive the move given the fact that NY is already a place nobody wants to play because of media/fan pressure and heightened scrutiny.

Honestly I don't see the Melo move having a significant impact on how other players would perceive it. How many other big potential free agents or superstars for that matter would pull what Melo did? Plus if the words of NBA executives hold any weight, playing with Porzingis is viewed as an enticing prospect.

I do think players seeing it as a difficult place to play is a possible outcome. Unless it comes out that he flat asked to be thrown out it can be perceived as a short leash bc it was. Big name players argue calls much more aggressively than that and don't get tossed. They also don't get booed by irrational fans at home, when jacking up ridiculous shots to try to maximize possessions is at an all time high,

I'm not sure KP actually makes people want to play here. GMs are high on KP but haven't really said anybody wants to come.

Time passes and these things change. Plus a lot of guys want to be part of the solution. Winning in NY would mean more than winning other places, most guys know that.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

TPercy wrote:Funny because the main argument for keeping Melo is that he takes up the responsibility of a father figure to the young ones. Melo pulling **** like this completely nullify that argument and since he is likely not going to get suspended, he sends a message that this kind of behavior is tolerable. What ever happened the to the guy who was organizing workouts for new players so that the team could gel together? Can't say that I'm fully on the "trade Melo" train, but you can't help but be extremely disappointed.

Has Boogie even done something as bad as that?

I'd consider this on par with stuff Boogie has done or refusing to play in games ("Rest" plague). I don't think that sends the right message either. Players only get away with it because the league is non-competitive.

It certainly seems like he asked to be ejected, his complaining was basically nothing compared to stuff I've seen go without a T, let alone an ejection. Consistent complainers like Green come to mind. Guy butchers somebody then goes insane when a foul is called. Melo's reaction was pretty rationale given it was a pretty poor miss by the officials.

A trade will be difficult more because of the CBA than the NTC. If there was a realistic scenario where he could compete following a trade (there aren't many), then I don't think we would have much trouble finding a taker and moving him. This is a problem for a lot of teams. They would probably like to unload a few guys but the salary match rule really limits things. I do have some concerns over how others would perceive the move given the fact that NY is already a place nobody wants to play because of media/fan pressure and heightened scrutiny.

Honestly I don't see the Melo move having a significant impact on how other players would perceive it. How many other big potential free agents or superstars for that matter would pull what Melo did? Plus if the words of NBA executives hold any weight, playing with Porzingis is viewed as an enticing prospect.

I do think players seeing it as a difficult place to play is a possible outcome. Unless it comes out that he flat asked to be thrown out it can be perceived as a short leash bc it was. Big name players argue calls much more aggressively than that and don't get tossed. They also don't get booed by irrational fans at home, when jacking up ridiculous shots to try to maximize possessions is at an all time high,

I'm not sure KP actually makes people want to play here. GMs are high on KP but haven't really said anybody wants to come.

KP is special and I believe most players realize his potential. If I'm a young PG I should think playing with KP has a lot of allure. At just 21 there is an entire career still ahead of KP and time enough to build around him.

To a lesser degree how things evolve with this team the rest of the way will be huge. What Phil decides to do will be paramount to the team's future. My guess is Phil may move to a more determined youth movement. It's the only logical step left.