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nixluva
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8/17/2016  11:17 AM
1st off the fact is that Rose has NOT taken too many shots over the last 2 years, relative to his teammates!

2015-16
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	27	66	66	31.8	6.8	15.9
2	Jimmy Butler	26	67	67	36.9	7.0	15.4
3	Pau Gasol	35	72	72	31.8	6.5	13.8
4	Nikola Mirotic	24	66	38	24.9	3.8	9.2	
2014-15
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	26	51	51	30.0	6.6	16.4
2	Pau Gasol	34	78	78	34.4	7.3	14.8
3	Jimmy Butler	25	65	65	38.7	6.5	14.0
4	Aaron Brooks	30	82	21	23.0	4.2	10.0

Shooting percentages can be somewhat deceiving if you look at the overall numbers and not at exactly how a player takes shots.

From NBA Sports Vu stats:

Rose averaged 8.9 Drives per game at 51.0%

Rose averaged 7 Pull Up Jumpers per game at 44.5%, 0.7 of those were 3pt shots at 28%, making his eFG% 45.9%.

Rose averaged 1.7 Catch and Shoot Jumpers per game at 33.6% of those 1.5 were from 3pt range at 33.0%, making his eFG% 48.3% on Catch and Shoot.

So what you are looking at is a player that looks a lot less efficient if you look at his overall shooting but the bulk of his game is not dominated by those inefficient shots.

Also Rose was an active PnR Ball Handler

Pick And Roll Ball Handler


                                                                                        FT      Score   And One SF      TO
Player	        Team  GP  Poss	Freq	PPP	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	eFG%	Freq    Freq	Freq    Freq    Freq  Percentile
Reggie Jackson  DET   79  896	55.9%	0.88	785	318	715	44.5	47.6	7.9%	14.2%	7.3%	2.0%	41.3%	77.2
Damian Lillard  POR   75  815	43.0%	0.92	751	259	628	41.2	47.8	11.4%	13.6%	9.6%	2.3%	40.9%	84.8
Kemba Walker    CHA   81  789	46.7%	0.89	705	261	629	41.5	46.2	10.1%	10.9%	8.4%	0.9%	41.8%	80.7
Chris Paul      LAC   74  749	51.9%	0.94	705	284	604	47.0	50.3	7.7%	12.6%	3.9%	0.9%	44.5%	89.0
Russ Westbrook  OKC   80  722	35.4%	0.85	614	219	502	43.6	47.7	12.7%	19.9%	10.7%	2.2%	40.6%	70.7
John Wall       WAS   77  721	40.2%	0.73	524	225	560	40.2	42.3	5.0%	17.9%	4.4%	0.7%	35.4%	38.3
CJ McCollum     POR   80  642	37.4%	0.92	593	243	521	46.6	50.4	6.7%	13.7%	5.9%	1.6%	43.0%	85.5
Jrue Holiday    NOP   65  618	51.7%	0.87	536	213	501	42.5	45.6	8.3%	12.6%	7.1%	1.9%	40.8%	75.2
James Harden    HOU   82  606	25.9%	0.97	588	165	370	44.6	49.2	20.0%	21.5%	17.7%	2.6%	44.6%	91.4
DeMar DeRozan   TOR   78  593	32.4%	0.99	588	214	445	48.1	48.3	17.0%	10.8%	15.3%	3.0%	49.7%	92.8
Kyle Lowry      TOR   77  582	35.7%	0.86	502	171	423	40.4	46.0	12.5%	16.2%	10.8%	1.4%	40.2%	73.8
Isaiah Thomas   BOS   82  568	31.0%	0.86	487	159	412	38.6	42.6	14.4%	14.6%	10.2%	1.6%	40.8%	72.8
Dennis Schroder ATL   80  568	54.4%	0.71	403	158	417	37.9	39.9	8.6%	19.4%	6.9%	1.4%	34.9%	34.8
Derrick Rose    CHI   66  563	43.5%	0.84	474	207	466	44.4	44.8	7.6%	12.3%	7.3%	2.7%	41.4%	68.3
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/ball-handler/?sort=Poss&dir=1
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8/17/2016  12:22 PM
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Rose gets more shots than KP, it's a stupid hire and stupid offense. PERIOD.

Rose should ideally be 3rd banana, averaging 12-14 shots tops, and serving as transition pusher and pick and pop partner to KP. Rose should also take advantage of his chemistry with Noah on backdoor cuts to the hoop in the half court.

KP/Melo should be top of the food chain as far as the Knicks offense are concerned. Both should have plenty of opportunities taking turns, with Melo sometimes leading the Knicks and sometimes KP shouldering the load. Should be a 1 and 1a situation with touches depending on the match-up.

Sometimes it'll be advantageous for Melo at 4, sometimes KP will have a clear edge at the 4. Either way, Rose's inefficient ass should not be hoisting bricks up like he's the first option.


What is logical is that Rose is going to be one of the top 3 shot takers along with Melo and KP. Obviously it's highly likely that Melo and KP could end up taking slightly more or slightly less but it's going to be close. As I posted above Rose and his other top scorers on the Bulls the last 2 years were close in scoring. This is a NON ISSUE!!!

it's an issue: the dynamic of the knicks MUST BE in service of developing kp6, and allowing him to go as far as HE wants to go. kp6 is the present and future of this franchise; rose is here merely to serve that end. if rose ends up being self serving and taking more shots than kp6-- a distinct possibility-- the knicks will underachieve. chuckbuck is absolutely spot on. the knicks and hornacek should have a battle plan in place with such a definitive talent. he needs no coddling or "protection" from overrated one-year audition players. let kp6 be all he can be and wants to be RIGHT NOW.

almost every team has two players taking the lion's share of the shots and then there's a SIGNIFICANT drop-off for third. i know this because i have researched it.

so, one more chance: do you want rose taking more shots than kp6? it's a yes/no question. do have the stones to answer the question?

Nobody wants rose to take more shots than kp. Just like nobody wants to see melo in too many Iso plays. Unfortunately you are in fairy tale land. Rose is looking for a new contract. And the way they play rose is to back off of him, and force him to shoot wide open jumpers. If your telling me that rose should pass up open shots, then this convo is a waste of time. You think Jennings is coming off the bench to force feed kp? Please..... These guys will play their game.....kp must learn how to play with alpha dogs.....u don't win championship's unless you have a team full of talent. Kp will impact the game regardless.....basketball is more than just shot attempts.....Phil is teaching kp how to win.....not how to shoot. What a bad question. It doesn't solve anything! I rather see rose play to win......just like everybody else.....PERIOD.

But contract year Rose isn't 2011 MVP year Rose with all those ACLs, orbital bones, ankles, and meniscuses later...

If say a heart surgeon has too bad shaky hands and cataracts, would you let him still operate on you? This is the same case with giving Rose those shots...(that he can't make)

Yes, Rose should be motivated to play well. Doesn't mean it has to be simply on the scoring end where he doesn't excel anymore. Be a distributor for once, attempt to play team D for once, and be leader for once...that'll endear himself not just to the Knicks but around the league.
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8/17/2016  1:43 PM
^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.
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8/17/2016  2:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.

Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.
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8/17/2016  4:44 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.

Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.

Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's s tougher decision to make than adding a 1 yr rental.

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8/17/2016  5:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2016  5:35 PM
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.

Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.

Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's a tougher decision to make next year, than adding a 1 yr rental this year.

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8/17/2016  5:39 PM
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.

Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.

Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's s tougher decision to make than adding a 1 yr rental.

SOME of us are saying the same things a couple are saying Rose is washed up and should have a minimal role. IMO the assessments of Rose are often overly negative. This is why I posted the details up above to make it more clear just what Rose did last year and what we could expect from him. If he comes in more prepared both physically and skills wise he can be even better than some expect.
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8/17/2016  5:52 PM
nixluva wrote:
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.
Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.
Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's s tougher decision to make than adding a 1 yr rental.
SOME of us are saying the same things a couple are saying Rose is washed up and should have a minimal role. IMO the assessments of Rose are often overly negative. This is why I posted the details up above to make it more clear just what Rose did last year and what we could expect from him. If he comes in more prepared both physically and skills wise he can be even better than some expect.

I am saying most teams have two players taking the majority of the shots, and the next highest shot taker is a distant third. So it's a huge issue if Porzingis is a distant third on the Knicks. You can kiss the playoffs goodbye.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/17/2016  6:19 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.
Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.
Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's s tougher decision to make than adding a 1 yr rental.
SOME of us are saying the same things a couple are saying Rose is washed up and should have a minimal role. IMO the assessments of Rose are often overly negative. This is why I posted the details up above to make it more clear just what Rose did last year and what we could expect from him. If he comes in more prepared both physically and skills wise he can be even better than some expect.

I am saying most teams have two players taking the majority of the shots, and the next highest shot taker is a distant third. So it's a huge issue if Porzingis is a distant third on the Knicks. You can kiss the playoffs goodbye.


Why are you worried about this? There is nothing in Rose's past that suggests this would be a problem!!! NOTHING! With this team he has talent that surpasses what he's had before in Melo and KP. They will get plenty of shots. Especially when you factor in a faster pace as Hornacek wants to play.

2015-16
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	27	66	66	31.8	6.8	15.9
2	Jimmy Butler	26	67	67	36.9	7.0	15.4
3	Pau Gasol	35	72	72	31.8	6.5	13.8
4	Nikola Mirotic	24	66	38	24.9	3.8	9.2	
2014-15
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	26	51	51	30.0	6.6	16.4
2	Pau Gasol	34	78	78	34.4	7.3	14.8
3	Jimmy Butler	25	65	65	38.7	6.5	14.0
4	Aaron Brooks	30	82	21	23.0	4.2	10.0
2013-14
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	25	10	10	31.1	5.8	16.4	
2	Luol Deng	28	23	23	37.4	7.0	15.4	
3	Carlos Boozer	32	76	76	28.2	5.9	12.9	
4	D.J. Augustin	26	61	9	30.4	4.8	11.4	

2011-12
Rk      Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	23	39	39	35.3	7.7	17.8	
2	Luol Deng	26	54	54	39.4	5.8	14.0	
3	Carlos Boozer	30	66	66	29.5	6.8	12.8	
4	Richard Hamilton 33	28	28	24.9	5.0	11.1	
5	C.J. Watson	27	49	25	23.7	3.3	8.9
2010-11
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	22	81	81	37.4	8.8	19.7	
2	Carlos Boozer	29	59	59	31.9	7.3	14.3	
3	Luol Deng	25	82	82	39.1	6.5	14.1	
4	Joakim Noah	25	48	48	32.8	4.4	8.4
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8/17/2016  6:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2016  6:29 PM
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.
Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.
Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's s tougher decision to make than adding a 1 yr rental.
SOME of us are saying the same things a couple are saying Rose is washed up and should have a minimal role. IMO the assessments of Rose are often overly negative. This is why I posted the details up above to make it more clear just what Rose did last year and what we could expect from him. If he comes in more prepared both physically and skills wise he can be even better than some expect.

I am saying most teams have two players taking the majority of the shots, and the next highest shot taker is a distant third. So it's a huge issue if Porzingis is a distant third on the Knicks. You can kiss the playoffs goodbye.


Why are you worried about this? There is nothing in Rose's past that suggests this would be a problem!!! NOTHING! With this team he has talent that surpasses what he's had before in Melo and KP. They will get plenty of shots. Especially when you factor in a faster pace as Hornacek wants to play.

2015-16
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	27	66	66	31.8	6.8	15.9
2	Jimmy Butler	26	67	67	36.9	7.0	15.4
3	Pau Gasol	35	72	72	31.8	6.5	13.8
4	Nikola Mirotic	24	66	38	24.9	3.8	9.2	
2014-15
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	26	51	51	30.0	6.6	16.4
2	Pau Gasol	34	78	78	34.4	7.3	14.8
3	Jimmy Butler	25	65	65	38.7	6.5	14.0
4	Aaron Brooks	30	82	21	23.0	4.2	10.0
2013-14
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	25	10	10	31.1	5.8	16.4	
2	Luol Deng	28	23	23	37.4	7.0	15.4	
3	Carlos Boozer	32	76	76	28.2	5.9	12.9	
4	D.J. Augustin	26	61	9	30.4	4.8	11.4	

2011-12
Rk      Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	23	39	39	35.3	7.7	17.8	
2	Luol Deng	26	54	54	39.4	5.8	14.0	
3	Carlos Boozer	30	66	66	29.5	6.8	12.8	
4	Richard Hamilton 33	28	28	24.9	5.0	11.1	
5	C.J. Watson	27	49	25	23.7	3.3	8.9
2010-11
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	22	81	81	37.4	8.8	19.7	
2	Carlos Boozer	29	59	59	31.9	7.3	14.3	
3	Luol Deng	25	82	82	39.1	6.5	14.1	
4	Joakim Noah	25	48	48	32.8	4.4	8.4

as chuckbuck and me have been mansplaining to you, rose has ZERO business taking more than 12-14 shots a game, and they must all be good ones, not difficult ones. parker is a good example of this. he picks his spots beautifully. rose is simply reckless and the result is inefficiency. rose will have to get similar numbers to parker, who should be an example to aspire to. compare the numbers of the two:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=rosede01&p2=parketo01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/17/2016  11:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2016  11:28 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^I think it was acl in left knee meniscus in right knee. I am not positive about this though.
Doesn't matter cuz the premise ChuckBuck is making is overstated. Rose is not SHOT as he's implying. Rose is still a highly capable player. He is an upgrade for this team and yes the past injuries are scary, but he's only signed for one year. The point of risk is low. The team did a good job of making sure there was quality behind him in case of injury.
Like I said.....we all saying the same things.....I just think people shouldn't be as scared of serious injuries anymore......especially on a one year rental. The question is what happens if rose proves all the haters and doubters wrong?.....that's s tougher decision to make than adding a 1 yr rental.
SOME of us are saying the same things a couple are saying Rose is washed up and should have a minimal role. IMO the assessments of Rose are often overly negative. This is why I posted the details up above to make it more clear just what Rose did last year and what we could expect from him. If he comes in more prepared both physically and skills wise he can be even better than some expect.

I am saying most teams have two players taking the majority of the shots, and the next highest shot taker is a distant third. So it's a huge issue if Porzingis is a distant third on the Knicks. You can kiss the playoffs goodbye.


Why are you worried about this? There is nothing in Rose's past that suggests this would be a problem!!! NOTHING! With this team he has talent that surpasses what he's had before in Melo and KP. They will get plenty of shots. Especially when you factor in a faster pace as Hornacek wants to play.

2015-16
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	27	66	66	31.8	6.8	15.9
2	Jimmy Butler	26	67	67	36.9	7.0	15.4
3	Pau Gasol	35	72	72	31.8	6.5	13.8
4	Nikola Mirotic	24	66	38	24.9	3.8	9.2	
2014-15
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	26	51	51	30.0	6.6	16.4
2	Pau Gasol	34	78	78	34.4	7.3	14.8
3	Jimmy Butler	25	65	65	38.7	6.5	14.0
4	Aaron Brooks	30	82	21	23.0	4.2	10.0
2013-14
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	25	10	10	31.1	5.8	16.4	
2	Luol Deng	28	23	23	37.4	7.0	15.4	
3	Carlos Boozer	32	76	76	28.2	5.9	12.9	
4	D.J. Augustin	26	61	9	30.4	4.8	11.4	

2011-12
Rk      Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	23	39	39	35.3	7.7	17.8	
2	Luol Deng	26	54	54	39.4	5.8	14.0	
3	Carlos Boozer	30	66	66	29.5	6.8	12.8	
4	Richard Hamilton 33	28	28	24.9	5.0	11.1	
5	C.J. Watson	27	49	25	23.7	3.3	8.9
2010-11
Rk	Player	        Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA ▾	
1	Derrick Rose	22	81	81	37.4	8.8	19.7	
2	Carlos Boozer	29	59	59	31.9	7.3	14.3	
3	Luol Deng	25	82	82	39.1	6.5	14.1	
4	Joakim Noah	25	48	48	32.8	4.4	8.4

as chuckbuck and me have been mansplaining to you, rose has ZERO business taking more than 12-14 shots a game, and they must all be good ones, not difficult ones. parker is a good example of this. he picks his spots beautifully. rose is simply reckless and the result is inefficiency. rose will have to get similar numbers to parker, who should be an example to aspire to. compare the numbers of the two:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=rosede01&p2=parketo01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=


I don't agree with your approach to assessing Rose's game. Sure Parker over his career has been a very good player. I don't only focus on Efficiency as if that's all that matters!!! Jose was a very efficient player. So what? There's also another aspect that is important and that is PRODUCTION. Parker is a different player from Rose in many ways. How Rose is effective is different. He doesn't have to become Parker to have a positive impact for this team.

From NBA Sports Vu stats:

Rose averaged 8.9 Drives per game at 51.0%

Rose averaged 7 Pull Up Jumpers per game at 44.5%, 0.7 of those were 3pt shots at 28%, making his eFG% 45.9%. (after the All Star Break)

Rose averaged 1.7 Catch and Shoot Jumpers per game at 33.6% of those 1.5 were from 3pt range at 33.0%, making his eFG% 48.3% on Catch and Shoot.

So what you are looking at is a player that looks a lot less efficient if you look at his overall shooting but the bulk of his game is not dominated by those inefficient shots. Rose may not be an eFG% king but he can be effective for this team.

Rose is a Drive, Pull Up and PnR PG. He is not a Catch and Shoot player. He will likely take more 3's under Hornacek and he should be able to raise his 3pt % on Catch and Shoot 3's from 33% to 36%

Pull Up Shots: Any jump shot outside 10 feet where a player took 1 or more dribbles before shooting.(after the All Star Break)


Player	       Team	GP	W	L	MIN	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	eFG%
Stephen Curry  GSW	29	24	5	34.8	11.6	4.2	10.0	41.7	3.2	7.6	42.5	57.9
Chris Paul     LAC	26	17	9	32.1	9.3	4.1	9.7	42.2	1.2	3.7	31.6	48.2
James Harden   HOU	27	14	13	39.7	8.4	3.4	9.4	36.4	1.6	5.0	32.1	44.9
Damian Lillard POR	28	17	11	35.0	8.4	3.3	9.2	35.3	1.9	5.1	38.0	45.7
John Wall      WAS	26	14	12	36.2	7.4	3.4	9.1	37.6	0.5	1.5	35.0	40.5
Kemba Walker   CHA	29	21	8	35.3	7.3	2.9	8.0	35.9	1.6	4.6	35.6	46.1
CJ McCollum    POR	28	17	11	34.3	7.1	3.2	7.6	41.6	0.8	1.9	40.4	46.5
Kobe Bryant    LAL	21	4	17	25.9	6.9	3.0	9.1	32.8	0.9	3.0	28.1	37.5
Russ Westbrook OKC	26	15	11	34.5	6.9	3.0	8.0	37.0	1.0	3.5	28.6	43.3
Kyrie Irving   CLE	27	17	10	33.1	6.4	2.8	7.4	38.0	0.7	2.7	27.0	43.0
Derrick Rose   CHI	21	10	11	30.9	6.4	3.1	7.0	44.5	0.2	0.7	28.6	45.9
29 names down the list --
Tony Parker   SAS	24	19	5	29.1	3.8	1.9	4.7	40.2	0.0	0.1	50.0	40.6

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/pullup/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G&sort=PULL_UP_PTS&dir=1&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&CF=GP*G*18

Drives: Any touch that starts at least 20 feet of the hoop and is dribbled within 10 feet of the hoop and excludes fast breaks. Measures the total number of drives as well as the points, assists and shooting percentages on drives to the basket.

Player	        Team  GP  W  L  MIN  DRIVES  FGM  FGA  FG%  FTM  FTA  FT%  PTS  PTS%  PASS  PASS%  AST  AST%  TO  TO%  PF  PF%
Isaiah Thomas   BOS   81  47 34	32.2 11.7    2.6  5.8  45.4 2.4  2.9  83.7 7.6	65.2  3.8   32.7   1.0	8.9   0.7 5.9  1.9 15.8
DeMar DeRozan   TOR   77  52 25	35.9 11.6    2.9  5.8  50.6 2.8  3.4  83.0 8.7	74.4  3.7   31.4   0.9	8.1   0.5 4.0  2.2 18.5
Ish Smith       PHI   77  16 61	29.1 11.1    2.2  5.0  44.6 0.6  1.0  63.5 5.1	45.6  5.1   45.6   1.4	12.6  0.6 5.1  0.7 6.3
Jeff Teague     ATL   79  47 32	28.5 11.1    2.4  5.2  45.7 1.7  2.0  82.9 6.4	57.5  4.0   36.3   0.9	8.3   0.8 7.0  1.2 11.1
Reggie Jackson  DET   79  43 36	30.7 10.6    3.0  6.1  49.0 1.5  1.7  86.9 7.5	70.0  2.9   27.3   0.9	8.2   0.7 6.9  1.1 10.5
Russ Westbrook  OKC   80  55 25	34.4 10.1    2.4  4.8  50.7 2.3  2.8  82.1 7.1	70.7  3.2   31.5   1.1	11.0  0.8 7.6  1.7 17.1
Rajon Rondo     SAC   71  29 42	35.4 9.9     2.1  4.1  50.7 0.4  0.7  54.2 4.5	45.7  4.3   43.0   1.4	14.1  1.0 10.1 0.5 4.8
Jrue Holiday    NOP   65  27 38	28.2 9.8     2.7  5.3  50.4 1.6  1.9  86.1 6.9	71.0  3.0   30.7   0.8	8.7   0.5 4.9  1.2 12.3
Damian Lillard  POR   75  40 35	35.7 9.8     2.7  5.5  48.2 2.5  2.7  91.1 7.8	79.4  2.4   24.3   0.8	7.9   0.5 5.4  1.6 16.4
Kyle Lowry      TOR   76  53 23	36.9 9.5     1.9  4.4  44.3 1.5  1.8  84.2 5.4	56.4  3.4   35.3   1.1	11.5  0.6 6.8  1.2 12.3
James Harden    HOU   82  41 41	38.1 9.4     2.1  4.3  49.6 2.9  3.4  86.0 7.2	76.6  2.5   26.5   0.9	9.2   0.9 9.4  2.1 22.2
Goran Dragic    MIA   72  44 28	32.8 9.4     1.8  3.4  52.8 0.7  1.0  70.4 4.4	46.2  4.6   48.8   1.3	14.1  0.8 8.1  0.6 6.8
Kyrie Irving    CLE   53  37 16	31.5 8.9     2.7  5.3  50.7 1.1  1.3  81.2 6.5	72.3  2.5   28.3   0.6	7.2   0.4 4.4  0.9 9.9
Derrick Rose    CHI   66  32 34	31.8 8.9     2.8  5.5  51.0 1.3  1.7  76.1 6.9	76.9  2.1   23.3   0.6	6.5   0.6 7.1  1.0 11.5
Dwyane Wade     MIA   74  43 31	30.5 8.5     2.2  4.4  50.5 1.4  1.9  73.9 5.8	68.1  2.7   32.2   1.0	11.7  0.5 5.4  1.1 12.4
Tony Parker    SAS    72  59 13	27.5 8.2     1.8  3.5  51.0 0.8  1.0  75.3 4.4	53.1  3.5   42.2   0.8	9.9   0.6 7.4  0.7 7.9
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G

Pick And Roll Ball Handler

                                                                                        FT      Score   And One SF      TO
Player	        Team  GP  Poss	Freq	PPP	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	eFG%	Freq    Freq	Freq    Freq    Freq  Percentile
Reggie Jackson  DET   79  896	55.9%	0.88	785	318	715	44.5	47.6	7.9%	14.2%	7.3%	2.0%	41.3%	77.2
Damian Lillard  POR   75  815	43.0%	0.92	751	259	628	41.2	47.8	11.4%	13.6%	9.6%	2.3%	40.9%	84.8
Kemba Walker    CHA   81  789	46.7%	0.89	705	261	629	41.5	46.2	10.1%	10.9%	8.4%	0.9%	41.8%	80.7
Chris Paul      LAC   74  749	51.9%	0.94	705	284	604	47.0	50.3	7.7%	12.6%	3.9%	0.9%	44.5%	89.0
Russ Westbrook  OKC   80  722	35.4%	0.85	614	219	502	43.6	47.7	12.7%	19.9%	10.7%	2.2%	40.6%	70.7
John Wall       WAS   77  721	40.2%	0.73	524	225	560	40.2	42.3	5.0%	17.9%	4.4%	0.7%	35.4%	38.3
CJ McCollum     POR   80  642	37.4%	0.92	593	243	521	46.6	50.4	6.7%	13.7%	5.9%	1.6%	43.0%	85.5
Jrue Holiday    NOP   65  618	51.7%	0.87	536	213	501	42.5	45.6	8.3%	12.6%	7.1%	1.9%	40.8%	75.2
James Harden    HOU   82  606	25.9%	0.97	588	165	370	44.6	49.2	20.0%	21.5%	17.7%	2.6%	44.6%	91.4
DeMar DeRozan   TOR   78  593	32.4%	0.99	588	214	445	48.1	48.3	17.0%	10.8%	15.3%	3.0%	49.7%	92.8
Kyle Lowry      TOR   77  582	35.7%	0.86	502	171	423	40.4	46.0	12.5%	16.2%	10.8%	1.4%	40.2%	73.8
Isaiah Thomas   BOS   82  568	31.0%	0.86	487	159	412	38.6	42.6	14.4%	14.6%	10.2%	1.6%	40.8%	72.8
Dennis Schroder ATL   80  568	54.4%	0.71	403	158	417	37.9	39.9	8.6%	19.4%	6.9%	1.4%	34.9%	34.8
Derrick Rose    CHI   66  563	43.5%	0.84	474	207	466	44.4	44.8	7.6%	12.3%	7.3%	2.7%	41.4%	68.3
Dwyane Wade     MIA   74  546	34.8%	0.85	462	179	406	44.1	44.2	12.1%	14.8%	11.2%	1.5%	43.4%	69.8
Jeff Teague     ATL   79  545	40.6%	0.79	428	157	405	38.8	41.6	10.5%	16.7%	9.7%	1.7%	37.6%	52.4
Stephen Curry   GSW   79  526	26.2%	1.11	584	202	420	48.1	61.1	8.0%	14.1%	6.7%	2.1%	44.3%	97.6
Emmanuel Mudiay DEN   68  523	43.0%	0.64	335	134	367	36.5	38.7	8.0%	22.9%	7.3%	1.1%	31.7%	21.7
Monta Ellis     IND   81  502	38.3%	0.78	391	164	404	40.6	43.2	6.4%	14.3%	5.4%	1.2%	37.3%	51.0
Brandon Knight  PHX   52  488	42.7%	0.74	359	136	370	36.8	41.1	7.0%	18.0%	5.5%	1.0%	33.6%	39.3
Jordan Clarkson LAL   79  476	36.0%	0.87	413	168	383	43.9	45.7	9.5%	11.6%	8.4%	1.7%	42.6%	75.5
DAngelo Russell LAL   80  473	38.3%	0.71	338	133	347	38.3	42.1	7.4%	20.1%	6.3%	0.8%	34.5%	35.9
Tony Parker     SAS   72  469	51.0%	0.93	434	189	369	51.2	51.4	7.9%	14.5%	5.8%	1.1%	46.5%	85.9
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/playtype/ball-handler/?sort=Poss&dir=1
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8/18/2016  1:23 AM
Regarding Rose not passing to KP:

Rose also addressed a number of basketball topics during two interviews on his trip to South Korea to promote his new sneakers.

In comments that might ease the fears of Knicks fans who worry that Kristaps Porzingis won't get enough touches with Rose around, the point guard said he plans to “share the ball more” in 2016-17, as he did last season.

“We have more options on this team. With the Bulls, we had more options too but the offense really went through me and Jimmy [Butler],” Rose said. “With the Knicks, we have [Kristaps Porzingis], we have [Carmelo Anthony], we have [Joakim Noah] rolling to the rim. We’ve got Courtney [Lee].”

Both Rose and Anthony used more than 27 percent of their team’s possessions while on the floor last season. For those concerned with Porzingis’ touches in his second season, this is something to keep an eye on.

Anthony said in a recent interview with NBA TV that he wants Rose to “have fun” playing again, and he suggested that the former Bulls star could benefit from a change of scenery.

"I just want him to get back to playing basketball and being the Derrick Rose that everyone fell in love with," Anthony said.

Rose, a free agent in 2017, says he and the other Knicks will be properly motivated heading into the season.

"We have to go in, and we have to prove something," he said. "All of us want to prove something. Bringing a group like that together can be very dangerous if we all come together the right way."

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/65086/derrick-rose-expands-on-super-team-comment-im-not-taking-that-back
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