Welpee wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Welpee wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Welpee wrote:Most of the top free agents seem to resign with their current team (the system is designed to encourage that). Most of the top free agents who signed with other teams haven't seriously considered the Knicks other than STAT who we probably couldn't have signed if it weren't for his injury history and Phoenix not wanting to go long term with him. Melo is the only player approaching free agency who seemed to seriously want to come here. Given this, how do you pin your future on signing big time free agents whether it's this year or next year?

Well said! And nobody will want to come until the system is fixed. Even for players not staying NY is offering less money bc of the tax loophole and greater scrutiny. Who would sign up for that?

So uhm....Parson bouncing for $98m kinda debunks you both I guess.

So uhm... you consider Chandler Parson a "top free agent?"

Doesn't matter what you or I think of Chandler Parsons. If your team has money to burn, you can have your hearts desire.

Unfortunately we won't be able to spend when it actually counts next year...

But my point was based on past experience top free agents aren't clamoring to come to NY anyway. So it doesn't matter how much cap space you have if can't sign the franchise changing free agents. The Knicks banking on building the team that way is risky. Look at Dallas. How many off seasons have they had major cap space and a plan to sign big time free agents only to come away with Monte Ellis type dudes?

Then go through the draft and sign band aids until you do sign the free agent you want.

There's still 2018,2019,2020....KP is only 20, we should be building around his prime not in 2016.

dk7th wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Uhm, I'm not sure that you know what hypocrite is. I'm not saying one thing then believing another thing. I truly truly think these are all band-aid win now at any costs moves that are detrimental to the future of the franchise.

I believe you. What you ARE doing is criticizing fans for being receptive to moves like Rose and Noah and then complaining when someone if critical of you.

I already spoke my peace about the alternatives the last few months, while you were busy switching screen names.

No, you complained about that 6 months ago when it actually occurred.

Hard to when you avoid answering simple, fair, direct questions, like,

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

WHY are you trying to do that?

if you are so fair and balanced how come you are not criticizing the other extreme/ists? Are they not criticizing other fans for not just sticking to the party line? Aren't there two extremes in play here? Seems like one who only sees one of them is either part of that faction or disingenuous.

You always had your TKF and on the other end, your/our Nixluva ... they are both extreme and not at all objective so either, they should cancel each other out or both be called out for their extreme view especially when constantly calling others out for not agreeing with their rosy or sh1tty take.

I guess the argument to that is its ok to be a blind lover but not to be a blind hater, I guess I get that to some extent ... never mind then ... just glad I can talk it out and now I feel better.

Good, relevant questions.

Yes, it does go both ways, and those people are not more objective than their opposite numbers, and yes, we aren't talking about being critical of the team (which is fine), we're talking about ONLY be critical of the team.

But here's the thing.

Sports is supposed to be recreational. It's supposed to be a pastime. It's supposed to be enjoyable. Its why Cubs fans exist (this year, noted).

But this fact has somehow gotten lost along the way. People have assigned virtue to being loyally miserable. And they can't explain it (I ask). All the can reply is "well, that's sports, that what you do", despite it really not making any sense.

It does make more sense to be optimistic, even overly so. It's sort of the point of it all. To ENJOY the experience.

You guys either consistently choose to be miserable with "loyalty" as your crutch or being miserable IS the fun part.

Either way, sort of f---ed.

Yes, being a homer is more logical, since sports is a pastime.

amateur sports are a pastime.

professional sports are not a pastime, nor are they merely business, nor entertainment.

To you and me they are.

But no need to get caught up in terminology.

If sports only produce misery and frustration, one can and should just walk away.

Knickoftime wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Uhm, I'm not sure that you know what hypocrite is. I'm not saying one thing then believing another thing. I truly truly think these are all band-aid win now at any costs moves that are detrimental to the future of the franchise.

I believe you. What you ARE doing is criticizing fans for being receptive to moves like Rose and Noah and then complaining when someone if critical of you.

I already spoke my peace about the alternatives the last few months, while you were busy switching screen names.

No, you complained about that 6 months ago when it actually occurred.

Hard to when you avoid answering simple, fair, direct questions, like,

...or the one trying to question if there's an alternative and more sustainable way?

To what end?

WHY are you trying to do that?

if you are so fair and balanced how come you are not criticizing the other extreme/ists? Are they not criticizing other fans for not just sticking to the party line? Aren't there two extremes in play here? Seems like one who only sees one of them is either part of that faction or disingenuous.

You always had your TKF and on the other end, your/our Nixluva ... they are both extreme and not at all objective so either, they should cancel each other out or both be called out for their extreme view especially when constantly calling others out for not agreeing with their rosy or sh1tty take.

I guess the argument to that is its ok to be a blind lover but not to be a blind hater, I guess I get that to some extent ... never mind then ... just glad I can talk it out and now I feel better.

Good, relevant questions.

Yes, it does go both ways, and those people are not more objective than their opposite numbers, and yes, we aren't talking about being critical of the team (which is fine), we're talking about ONLY be critical of the team.

But here's the thing.

Sports is supposed to be recreational. It's supposed to be a pastime. It's supposed to be enjoyable. Its why Cubs fans exist (this year, noted).

But this fact has somehow gotten lost along the way. People have assigned virtue to being loyally miserable. And they can't explain it (I ask). All the can reply is "well, that's sports, that what you do", despite it really not making any sense.

It does make more sense to be optimistic, even overly so. It's sort of the point of it all. To ENJOY the experience.

You guys either consistently choose to be miserable with "loyalty" as your crutch or being miserable IS the fun part.

Either way, sort of f---ed.

Yes, being a homer is more logical, since sports is a pastime.

amateur sports are a pastime.

professional sports are not a pastime, nor are they merely business, nor entertainment.

To you and me they are.

But no need to get caught up in terminology.

If sports only produce misery and frustration, one can and should just walk away.

for me the essence of sports, especially team sports, is about learning and understanding the human being and the human condition. hence it is difficult to get frustrated or miserable, although the trappings of sport as entertainment will evoke frustration and misery to be sure.

but essentially professional sports is a learning experience. and character plays a big role. unfortunately that swine james dolan doesn't understand this and the result is that the knicks have become irrelevant if not an outright laughingstock.

i am at the moment a bit confused about what is happening with this franchise and i am looking forward to seeing what shape the team is in when the dust settles in a week or two.