Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Noah would be Tyson Chandler light.

Nope, the passing isn't going anywhere. That's a skill that won't be subject to the same potential decline.

Chandler could only be set-up.

Noah can do the setting up.

The dude is just in his own category with post-passing and getting better.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio/year/2015

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio/year/2014

35% of the times he touched the ball last year it ended in an assist.

To show it wasn't a one-year anomaly based on limited playing time, the year before it was 33%

Having a player on the floor like that is hard to qualify.

having him in the same front count with Porzingis is tantalizing.

nixluva wrote:I loved RoLo, but the reasons for Noah NOW after adding Rose is just that it makes perfect sense. People forget that not only Rose but Noah also is an excellent Triangle Big. He was making great plays in the Triangle under Thibs when they ran it. He may not have fresh legs after a long layoff. We will have young bigs behind him as well.

Starphucks always make perfect sense, till they don't. But by then it's usually too late. Rose, Noah and Melo all have injury histories and each is in decline to different extents. I am not comfortable with this sudden switch off philosophy. I definitely liked the slow build up better, and wanted to see Phil start the course on that.

meloshouldgo wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think he'd be a great fit here and fans would love his hustle.

Also, someone, I think maybe Walt said something to the effect that Noah might help tether DRose and make him feel more comfortable... I think that could be very true. There are plenty of on court reasons to sign Noah, but that may be a big off court one.

Also, Rose and Melo are quiet guys, not vocal leaders. They're more lead by example guys. Noah is an on the court coach. He will scream out defensive assignments and he is very vocal. The team needs an on court veteran LEADER. Noah is one of the best.

100% correct... but he is ALWAYS hurt. He has never been able to stay healthy in his career. Now with smaller lineup and KP playing some 5 potentially he should be able to keep his minutes reasonable, but whats the contract? I mean he's a great player.. even all banged up he embarrassed Lopez last year.

If we could balance this by signing a younger I would open for sure... he would be a great addition. Even as a teacher for Willy, KP, KOQ.. etc

All I can say is fingers crossed he's healthy if we sign him. He never is. Great player though... tough call

How is he "ALWAYS" hurt? For his career, he's played in 572 games out of 738. That's 78% of games played.

That number increases to 83% if you remove last season (543 games played out of 656), his worst season in terms of health.

Is he going to be the league's iron man? No. Are his injury issues from last season an indicator of future health issues, perhaps.

But I wouldn't say he's always hurt.

He's averaged 64 games a season. That is missing more than a month and half a year on average, almost 20 games a year. That's a lot. 78% doesn't seem so bad, but its pretty bad. IT would be like signing him but he can play until Christmas... dude is hurt a lot and misses a lot of games. Im a fan but its part of the picture with Noah.

Better start warming up to him now... Sure sounds like he's gonna be the guy.

Not for nothing, but Robin Lopez averages 68.

One of the complaints when we signed Robin Lopez was that he was injured all the time.

Horford and Durant recently lost full seasons to injuries. It happens in the NBA.

Robin Lopez cost us 12MM a year. If we get Noah at 12-15 no one will complain. If we get him for 25-30MM then yes the missed games are much bigger issue.

If Phil gives Noah $25M a year, I'll be convinced he's trying to troll Melo into begging for a trade.

(and I'm saying that as someone who would be very interested in signing Noah at a reasonable/fair price)

Knickoftime wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:I loved RoLo, but the reasons for Noah NOW after adding Rose is just that it makes perfect sense. People forget that not only Rose but Noah also is an excellent Triangle Big. He was making great plays in the Triangle under Thibs when they ran it. He may not have fresh legs after a long layoff. We will have young bigs behind him as well.

Starphucks always make perfect sense, till they don't. But by then it's usually too late. Rose, Noah and Melo all have injury histories and each is in decline to different extents. I am not comfortable with this sudden switch off philosophy. I definitely liked the slow build up better, and wanted to see Phil start the course on that.

Lopez was part of a slow-build?

Not going to comment Noah until after he's signed and I now for how long and how much.

Rose works and it works.

Rose doesn't and the 2017 draft pick is probably better. The 'risk' in this risk/reward better draft pick and more 2017 cap space.

The only downside of Rose failing is that we've seen that Free Agency is very much about how the players perceive things. If the Knicks have another rough season, we will not be a free agent destination in 2017, I don't think.

But the high draft pick would be nice.

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:I loved RoLo, but the reasons for Noah NOW after adding Rose is just that it makes perfect sense. People forget that not only Rose but Noah also is an excellent Triangle Big. He was making great plays in the Triangle under Thibs when they ran it. He may not have fresh legs after a long layoff. We will have young bigs behind him as well.

Starphucks always make perfect sense, till they don't. But by then it's usually too late. Rose, Noah and Melo all have injury histories and each is in decline to different extents. I am not comfortable with this sudden switch off philosophy. I definitely liked the slow build up better, and wanted to see Phil start the course on that.

Respectfully, nothing Jax did so far this season has shown me this isn't still a slow rebuild. We can all talk about star free agents. No one came last year and we signed some intermediate players. Decent guys we all like. Now, front court actually is a position of relative strength. On a PER basis, OQuinn is about as effective as RoLo. His stupid mistakes are more polarizing. But much of that may be nerves. They removed long term salary for short term in the first breathe. And they exchanged Big for Small to accommodate a need. Rose is risky, but that's the benefit of the price. They still created value. So, even if this team implodes and we miss all of free agency, we are all back to the baseline of the tank many of us including me suggested. With less long term salary. If it plays out, we have an extremely loyal top 5 point guard.

I like this from a game theory standpoint. It improves our worst case scenario.

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:I loved RoLo, but the reasons for Noah NOW after adding Rose is just that it makes perfect sense. People forget that not only Rose but Noah also is an excellent Triangle Big. He was making great plays in the Triangle under Thibs when they ran it. He may not have fresh legs after a long layoff. We will have young bigs behind him as well.

Starphucks always make perfect sense, till they don't. But by then it's usually too late. Rose, Noah and Melo all have injury histories and each is in decline to different extents. I am not comfortable with this sudden switch off philosophy. I definitely liked the slow build up better, and wanted to see Phil start the course on that.

Lopez was part of a slow-build?

Not going to comment Noah until after he's signed and I now for how long and how much.

Rose works and it works.

Rose doesn't and the 2017 draft pick is probably better. The 'risk' in this risk/reward better draft pick and more 2017 cap space.

The only downside of Rose failing is that we've seen that Free Agency is very much about how the players perceive things.

Which we have little to no insight to and should immediately stop pretending we do all day every day.

We do get some insight - we've seen Jamal and Noah have more interest since the Rose trade.

Also this:

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https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/747488403999064065

crzymdups wrote:
Also this:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/747488403999064065

And not for nothing, he has the Raptors #2.

If you can extrapolate what this player's priorities are based on that, you're a better man than I.

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:We do get some insight - we've seen Jamal and Noah have more interest since the Rose trade.

We have?

Where?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/JCrossover/status/745757861561643008

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jamal-crawford-emerging-viable-option-join-knicks-article-1.2687880?utm_content=bufferf8117&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Finally, Jackson will turn his attention to building a supporting cast and one former Knick emerging as a viable option is Jamal Crawford, the NBA's only three-time Sixth Man of Year.

Crawford, 36, has strong support within the Knicks organization and that feeling appears to be mutual.

"I'm not talking about any one team but everyone knows how I feel about New York," Crawford told The News. "I really enjoyed my time there."

The positive feelings the Knicks have toward Joakim Noah are mutual.

According to an NBA source, the Knicks have “a very high interest” in signing the 6-foot-11 Noah to play center in a frontcourt that would feature Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. Another NBA source said Noah is eager for at least a sit-down with the Knicks.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/27/joakim-noahs-knicks-momentum-keeps-building/

Knickoftime wrote:Once you learn to frame information to realize that the tweet you cited offers no information to who the free agent was but more importantly no information as to what his preferences were before the Rose trade, you can't unsee it anymore.

It's quite obvious there's no information as to who the free agent is since it plainly states the FA requested anonymity and B) the question was asked post-Rose trade so clearly the Rose trade had an impact on the FA's answer.

The tweet didn't say much, but it said the Knicks are in the top 4 of a FA's list of places to play right now. Hey, at least we can frame the information to know it wasn't Kevin Durant who put the Knicks in his top 4.

EwingsGlass wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:I loved RoLo, but the reasons for Noah NOW after adding Rose is just that it makes perfect sense. People forget that not only Rose but Noah also is an excellent Triangle Big. He was making great plays in the Triangle under Thibs when they ran it. He may not have fresh legs after a long layoff. We will have young bigs behind him as well.

Starphucks always make perfect sense, till they don't. But by then it's usually too late. Rose, Noah and Melo all have injury histories and each is in decline to different extents. I am not comfortable with this sudden switch off philosophy. I definitely liked the slow build up better, and wanted to see Phil start the course on that.

Respectfully, nothing Jax did so far this season has shown me this isn't still a slow rebuild. We can all talk about star free agents. No one came last year and we signed some intermediate players. Decent guys we all like. Now, front court actually is a position of relative strength. On a PER basis, OQuinn is about as effective as RoLo. His stupid mistakes are more polarizing. But much of that may be nerves. They removed long term salary for short term in the first breathe. And they exchanged Big for Small to accommodate a need. Rose is risky, but that's the benefit of the price. They still created value. So, even if this team implodes and we miss all of free agency, we are all back to the baseline of the tank many of us including me suggested. With less long term salary. If it plays out, we have an extremely loyal top 5 point guard.

I like this from a game theory standpoint. It improves our worst case scenario.

When you trade in your best chip for a one year rental that may also turn into a starphuck max contract for a often injure guy with character issues and bad defense can you honestly sit there and say it's a slow rebuild?

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Noah would be Tyson Chandler light.

Nope, the passing isn't going anywhere. That's a skill that won't be subject to the same potential decline.

Chandler could only be set-up.

Noah can do the setting up.

The dude is just in his own category with post-passing and getting better.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio/year/2015

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/sort/assistRatio/year/2014

35% of the times he touched the ball last year it ended in an assist.

To show it wasn't a one-year anomaly based on limited playing time, the year before it was 33% (different head coaches and different offensive system year-to-year, btw. He simply sees the court like a PG and a very good PG at that).

Having a player on the floor like that is hard to qualify.

having him in the same front count with Porzingis is tantalizing.

Tyson was an example of a very good defensive player. Something Noah is more known for than anything else. Just dont believe the main reason team are considerimg him is his abiloty to pass. Altgough it is a good side note. And with the new NBA I just think there is the big premium paid to good defensive 5's anymore. As small ball and stretch 5's have taken over. Specially for us with JH, who had Frye as his optimum center. But like I said, for the right price, he would be an asset to the character of the team. But definitely not at anything close to 20m per or more. Which has been discussed.