ChuckBuck wrote:So should we just all light our "11 rings" hard covers with a Bic and kerosene?

Hire makes zero sense in every facet. Lost more than Fisher and Rambis, from the Jerry Sloan pick and roll tree, teams played zero defense in Phoenix, and routinely went small ball versus big which is the Knicks "strength".

Dumb phucking hire. Dude will try to squeeze wins out of a poorly constructed roster jeopardizing our chances at a high lottery pick in a strong 2017 draft. Rather have Rambis for this purpose.

Misery.

I was uncertain but since chuck added this, I now know this is the right hire.
We don't have understand it. It just is. What a coach was is not always where he goes in the future.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Does no triangle signal the end of New-Melo, Team-Melo, Dad-Melo or whatever you guys were calling him? Does this signal the end of the Phil Jackson experiment, the rebirth of Mills and dare I say it the return of Isiah & the 2 guard offense?

I hear China MVP Marbury is still in great shape. Perfect if we're going to segue from a Triangle offense to a pace and space zero defense perennial 8th seed knockout.

All you guys think about is Melo.

dude... they made it two pages before bringing up Melo. Credit where credit is due

Can't wait until Melo and Horny butt heads!

I bet that's what you will be rooting for.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Did you see the string of losses JH had as a coach to end his reign in PHX?

how about the year that his team was the most improved in the league and he almost won COY?

You try to coach M. Morris...

after trading his brother when he took less money for them to stay together.

yeah ... reminds me of JR and Chris

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Does no triangle signal the end of New-Melo, Team-Melo, Dad-Melo or whatever you guys were calling him? Does this signal the end of the Phil Jackson experiment, the rebirth of Mills and dare I say it the return of Isiah & the 2 guard offense?

You knows but does this mean Melo has now become Jedi/Zen-Melo for getting Phil to do a real search?

I think Phil was forced into the "search"

He wanted Rambis and the power to be more hands on. Melo made it clear to Dolan he wasn't about that. Dolan/Mills forced the search Phil reluctantly went searching. Interviewed Vogel, Blatt with no intention of hiring them but went through the motions to please his bosses with every intention on reverting to Rambis. He never made a legitimate push for Vogel or Blatt. His presentation and plan wasn't convincing to them. They said thanks but no thanks and sought greener passages. Then Phil said FUCK it, FUCK you all and hired his nemesis protege. Either that or he is on his way out leaving the Knicks to start from scratch with a ANOTHER system AGAIN.

Rinse
Repeat
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gunsnewing wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Does no triangle signal the end of New-Melo, Team-Melo, Dad-Melo or whatever you guys were calling him? Does this signal the end of the Phil Jackson experiment, the rebirth of Mills and dare I say it the return of Isiah & the 2 guard offense?

You knows but does this mean Melo has now become Jedi/Zen-Melo for getting Phil to do a real search?

I think Phil was forced into the "search"

He wanted Rambis and the power to be more hands on. Melo made it clear to Dolan he wasn't about that. Dolan/Mills forced the search Phil reluctantly went searching. Interviewed Vogel, Blatt with no intention of hiring them but went through the motions to please his bosses with every intention on reverting to Rambis. He never made a legitimate push for Vogel or Blatt. His presentation and plan wasn't convincing to them. They said thanks but no thanks and sought greener passages. Then Phil said FUCK it, FUCK you all and hiring his nemesis protege. Either that or he is on his way out leaving the Knicks to start from scratch with a ANOTHER system AGAIN.

Rinse
Repeat
New York Knickerbocker Basketball on MSG

I don't know enough of Hornacek's record in Phoenix. Definitely a smart player and great shooter. Probably got more out of his career than he should have.

I hope he is tough and defensive minded for NY. The offensive side will be ok, it seems.

now in new York not taking **** from phil jax or no man
the triangle is in a dead land they call no mans

gunsnewing wrote:Melo and Phil don't talk.

Melo and Dolan on the other hand?

I'm sure Dolan got word of Melo's comments in wishes in between sets/encore during his show at McSweeney's pub in Silver Lake, Iowa and Dolan touched base with Mills the next morning.

I don't think Phil sticks around either

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

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