CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:So the guys who were doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire are now breathing a sigh of relief, huh? That'd be a tough one to have to defend, am I right?

Seriously, who was doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire?

I'd be OK with the hire cause I think continuity would be OK but I'd also be OK and think it would be a better idea to hire Blatt.

Who are the doggedly defending Rambis people?

There were plenty of people who said it wasn't fair to judge him by his record in NY or Minnesota, or by the team's performance in the second half of the season, or by the fact that none of his players have ever said anything nice about him as a coach.

I can try to find the threads - but actually, I'm pretty sure you were one of them and then nixluva, and one of the newyorkforever or newyorkernewyorky guys. If you really want me to find those threads, I can... but really the important point is that hopefully Phil has moved on. I suppose he could always double back and hire Rambis. We'll see.

There is one thing to defend an argument that involves Rambis but what you are suggesting is that there are tons of people who WANT and WOULD ADVOCATE for Rambis. I think you'll find crickets on that.

I agree. I can't think of a single poster doggedly defending a potential Rambis hire. However, if there is a thread with someone that was I would love a link.

I'm sorry, y'all being ridiculous. Any time I mentioned Rambis would be a bad hire multiple people, predominantly martin and nix, jumped to Phil and Rambis's defense. I'm not going to waste my time arguing it here or looking up threads to remind you of what you said. If you agree Rambis would be a bad hire, why did you jump down my throat whenever I said as much?

And if the idea that Rambis is the first choice is made up by "Phil haters" why has every single NBA writer from Ken Berger to Ramona Shelburne REPORTED IN PUBLISHED REPORTS WHERE THEIR REPUTATION IS AT STAKE said that Rambis is his first preference? Do you think they're making this up? Are they the real Phil haters? This is ridiculous.

Has anyone questioned that Phil would like Rambis in the job? I think Rambis's performance put him in jeopardy of not being hired. I think that was why he wasn't at the exit meetings. I think Phil and Mills wanted players to talk candidly about Rambis. Also, accepting that Rambis might be the guy because he is who Phil wants and he is the guy that allows Phil a coaching voice is very different from endorsing and defending Rambis. The only endorsement I can think of is from guys saying to save the free agent money and tank again with Rambis. And I don't think many posters have been saying that.

If Phil's secret plan is to maximize the value of the 2017 pick and also force Melo to accept a trade for young players and picks... then Rambis would make sense. But even then I wouldn't want him for a long-term coach and I worry about the detriment he'd have on KP's game, which severely backslid under Rambis. But if Phil is all in for a full rebuild, Rambis makes some sense... but just so we're clear the sense hiring Rambis would make is that it'd be tanking. It'd be tanking hard core.

I happen to think Phil might've wanted Rambis but that Mills, Melo, Dolan are not on board with that plan. I mean, maybe tanking for 16-17 is the right move. I don't even know anymore. I guess I don't enjoy Phil's mind games.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:So the guys who were doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire are now breathing a sigh of relief, huh? That'd be a tough one to have to defend, am I right?

Seriously, who was doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire?

I'd be OK with the hire cause I think continuity would be OK but I'd also be OK and think it would be a better idea to hire Blatt.

Who are the doggedly defending Rambis people?

There were plenty of people who said it wasn't fair to judge him by his record in NY or Minnesota, or by the team's performance in the second half of the season, or by the fact that none of his players have ever said anything nice about him as a coach.

I can try to find the threads - but actually, I'm pretty sure you were one of them and then nixluva, and one of the newyorkforever or newyorkernewyorky guys. If you really want me to find those threads, I can... but really the important point is that hopefully Phil has moved on. I suppose he could always double back and hire Rambis. We'll see.

There is one thing to defend an argument that involves Rambis but what you are suggesting is that there are tons of people who WANT and WOULD ADVOCATE for Rambis. I think you'll find crickets on that.

I agree. I can't think of a single poster doggedly defending a potential Rambis hire. However, if there is a thread with someone that was I would love a link.

I'm sorry, y'all being ridiculous. Any time I mentioned Rambis would be a bad hire multiple people, predominantly martin and nix, jumped to Phil and Rambis's defense. I'm not going to waste my time arguing it here or looking up threads to remind you of what you said. If you agree Rambis would be a bad hire, why did you jump down my throat whenever I said as much?

And if the idea that Rambis is the first choice is made up by "Phil haters" why has every single NBA writer from Ken Berger to Ramona Shelburne REPORTED IN PUBLISHED REPORTS WHERE THEIR REPUTATION IS AT STAKE said that Rambis is his first preference? Do you think they're making this up? Are they the real Phil haters? This is ridiculous.

you are definitely wasting your time and ours. Even nix has said over and over and over again that his preference is not Rambis.

You want to make an argument, you can make it for yourself but no need to put words or arguments into mine. No thanks. Google is your friend, you want to find where others have posted something you need to reference or argue against, please have at it.

Lol, so you can't even stand by what you said about Rambis. I'm not googling your posts to throw them back in your face like a child. I respect you, martin, but I don't respect this conversation. I'm not going to look up what you said to me to shove it back in your face. If you don't remember saying it or no longer stand by it, that's on you not me.

crzymdups wrote:So the guys who were doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire are now breathing a sigh of relief, huh? That'd be a tough one to have to defend, am I right?

You're such a clown. You love to twist things around just like the new york media. The people that weren't as opposed to a Rambis hire as some were still hoping for a Blatt or Vogel hire over Rambis but just didn't think it was the end of the world if Rambis got the job so making things look differently then they really were is exactly what the new yokr media does so welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:So the guys who were doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire are now breathing a sigh of relief, huh? That'd be a tough one to have to defend, am I right?

Seriously, who was doggedly defending the potential Rambis hire?

I'd be OK with the hire cause I think continuity would be OK but I'd also be OK and think it would be a better idea to hire Blatt.

Who are the doggedly defending Rambis people?

There were plenty of people who said it wasn't fair to judge him by his record in NY or Minnesota, or by the team's performance in the second half of the season, or by the fact that none of his players have ever said anything nice about him as a coach.

I can try to find the threads - but actually, I'm pretty sure you were one of them and then nixluva, and one of the newyorkforever or newyorkernewyorky guys. If you really want me to find those threads, I can... but really the important point is that hopefully Phil has moved on. I suppose he could always double back and hire Rambis. We'll see.

There is one thing to defend an argument that involves Rambis but what you are suggesting is that there are tons of people who WANT and WOULD ADVOCATE for Rambis. I think you'll find crickets on that.

I agree. I can't think of a single poster doggedly defending a potential Rambis hire. However, if there is a thread with someone that was I would love a link.

I'm sorry, y'all being ridiculous. Any time I mentioned Rambis would be a bad hire multiple people, predominantly martin and nix, jumped to Phil and Rambis's defense. I'm not going to waste my time arguing it here or looking up threads to remind you of what you said. If you agree Rambis would be a bad hire, why did you jump down my throat whenever I said as much?

And if the idea that Rambis is the first choice is made up by "Phil haters" why has every single NBA writer from Ken Berger to Ramona Shelburne REPORTED IN PUBLISHED REPORTS WHERE THEIR REPUTATION IS AT STAKE said that Rambis is his first preference? Do you think they're making this up? Are they the real Phil haters? This is ridiculous.

you are definitely wasting your time and ours. Even nix has said over and over and over again that his preference is not Rambis.

You want to make an argument, you can make it for yourself but no need to put words or arguments into mine. No thanks. Google is your friend, you want to find where others have posted something you need to reference or argue against, please have at it.

Lol, so you can't even stand by what you said about Rambis. I'm not googling your posts to throw them back in your face like a child. I respect you, martin, but I don't respect this conversation. I'm not going to look up what you said to me to shove it back in your face. If you don't remember saying it or no longer stand by it, that's on you not me.

Hahaha you're the one that started this conversation when you just had to come out of nowhere to try to bash anyone that said anything at all positive about Rambis and said that you'd happily go back and find the threads where people said it and now you're saying that you don't respect this conversation (which you started) and that you're not gonna go to look up what people said to shove it in their face which you already threatened to do. lol GEESH

Knicks should have multiple plans. Since I am not privy to phils thinking like some of you lucky ones out there, Im just enjoying the process.
The results speak for themselves.

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

fishmike wrote:crzymdups, that is looking up at the sky and reporting "sources say the sky is blue."

I think this is a context thing. The real bolded part is this:

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended.

I mean when Phil was asked about the coaching didn't he say they should consider Rambis? I remember him saying that at the end of the year no? So since then the reporters have gone on and on about it.

You are trying to corner me by asking if Stein (then naming his creds) "just made this up." I am saying he isn't saying anything EVERY other reporter isn't saying.

Rambis has been with Phil at every spot. Why is it such a stretch to suggest Phil likes and wants him as part of the staff?

When did ESPN break the news on Vogel/Blatt/Walton/Hornacek? Same time everyone else did. Know why? They have nothing new to add.

You said you are interested in what is happening. Do you have any intel on that besides the regurgitated "sources." I mean they are speculating on his vacation and the reasoning behind it. Yea... its made up. Its hearsay. It putting a bunch of half truths together and saying things like "its expected."

Do you think ESPN is a reliable source for Knicks intel? Nothing much REAL is being said is it?

crzymdups... why are getting so fired up about this? Im not taking digs at you or anyone. I have said the Fisher situation was a fail. Like you I see the ups and downs. But why are you getting upset at media reports that aren't saying anything? They have literally been wrong about everything since Phil has been here. Think of all the stuff they made up about Melo last year and all the chatter about the draft pick. All total BS. Remember its all Rambis because Phil isn't even interviewing? Guess what.. he was. And is... I just don't know what to tell you man. I don't defend Phil's every move. Nix is here for that. But why get upset over tabloids, or in ESPN's case a media outlet that quotes tabloids. Have we learned nothing?

ESPN has some good reporters and some crap ones. They broke the Blatt meeting, as I remember. They broke Lebron to Miami. They break stories all the time. These guys talk to people.

My question is why are they saying that it is "at Phil's behest Rambis be considered"... if Phil wants him considered, isn't he the boss? I think that's a very interesting tidbit, potentially. We shall see.

And, I'm aggitated because every time I try to talk about this coaching situation, I've been attacked or talked down to - first it was know-it-alls explaining to me that Phil was definitely hiring Rambis and keeping the Triangle and all was right in the world, then it was Phil is taking his time..., now it's of course Phil isn't hiring Rambis, etc. It's kind of annoying. The truth is no one ****ing knows what's gonna happen! And to me it's more interesting than talking about the draft picks we don't have or the free agents we won't get. Because not only is it the head coaching position, but it also gives insight into the philosophy of the team going forward and maybe even a peak into Phil's head about how long he intends to ride this out for. I find it way more interesting than the draft or free agency this year. It's the direction the team will take for the rest of Phil's tenure here. And yet, when I talk about it, question whether the Triangle is the right system, question whether Rambis is the right choice... just debating it... people are attacking me and acting like I'm personally attacking them. Am I wildly speculating? Sure. So is Briggs about Allen Crabbe. So are you about Nic Batum. It's sports! That's what you do! You speculate in between the games!

knicks1248 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:
actually when everyone says the same thing nobody's reputation is at stake. The simple fact is none of the reporters you mentioned have a clue what Phil is leaning towards, what his plan is or what his preference is. So to write something to go with what everyone else is saying because there is nothing better out there.

First we heard Phil isn't meeting anyone because he's already got his mind made up. Then it turns out he's talked to Walton, Blatt, Vogel and Hornicek and those are the only ones that were reported.

Lets actually think logically. If anyone knows Kurt's strengths and shortcomings its Phil. Why do you think he tried for Kerr and then Fisher first instead of just putting his buddy Kurt in there in the first place? Why wouldn't he have already hired Kurt if he thought he was the best choice? Phil could get Shaq and Kobe, two guys who hated each other to play well together night in and night out. Do we really think he couldn't push Dolan into letting him hire Rambis?

Think about it... actually think.

If you think Phil is only here for a money grab to rub the triangle in people's faces than please... just move along. I don't have time for that. But if can actually bring yourself to accept that Phil is into this challenge of turning around a poorly run franchise, of instilling a winning culture, or being part of growing and developing something lets use our brains for one minute. He's looking for the right fit, and he knows Rambis has shortcomings enough where he doesn't want to put his buddy in a position to fail and in turn put himself in a position to fail. It doesn't make sense. Reality.. its not defined by reporters all saying the same thing because none of them has anything to say. The media (all of em) are wrong all the time.

If anything I would believe Phil is desperate NOT to hire Rambis, but has yet to find someone, or come to terms with a fit he trusts to run it how he envisions. Maybe his vision is too rigid, but nothing ruins a franchise faster than a front office and coaching staff not on the same page. Add to that the Fisher failure, and Phil has very little margin for error here.

I wonder who else he's talked to that everyone hasn't reported on???? Crzymdups, you once said you could live with Rambis if Phil at least conducted a real search. Does Walton/Blatt/Vogel/Hornicek count?

Part of me is mostly curious by a Rambis hire, because I want to know what Phil is going to do to mitigate his own doubts. A more hand on training camp? I really wonder.

This is Marc Stein, ESPN's senior reporter writing yesterday... he's just making all this stuff up? I don't think Jackson is here for the money. I think he's done an up and down job and I am very interested in how this coaching search plays out, because it appears that Jackson is not the one with final say anymore. Which gives a clue as to how long he'll be here. I find it interesting. You guys seem to take it as a personal affront. I don't want Phil to leave, I fear what would come next... but... I am INTERESTED in what is going on. Because I don't think it is nearly as cut and dry as you guys make it. Read the bolded below closely - if it's Phil's hire to make... why does it say Jackson is requesting Rambis be given strong consideration? Do you think that phrasing is accidental. It sounds to me like Jackson does not have final say on the Rambis hire or that it has been blocked. I don't know why some of y'all take this so personally. Frankly, it's not about any of you or your opinions. I'm interested in what is happening. Yes it's speculating and reading between the lines to create a narrative... but that's what sports is for a lot of people. I really don't understand the defensiveness that comes up when I suggest a theory as to why every single major NBA writer is writing that Phil wants Rambis and it hasn't happened yet.

Please read. And then you think about it... actually think.

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended. ESPN.com reported last month that former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt was the ‎first external candidate to emerge as a serious contender for the post, while the New York Daily News first reported Sunday that former Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel discussed the job with Jackson last week.

It remains to be seen whether the Knicks will broaden their search, as star forward Carmelo Anthony has openly wished for. But sources say Rambis is, at worst, expected to remain with the club as a lead assistant if Jackson shelves his long-held desire to make Rambis his full-time coach and ultimately hires from the outside.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15564462/new-york-knicks-interview-jeff-hornacek-coaching-vacancy

What I have a concern with is how everyone slides Phils coaching resume over to his executive resume.

Phil has never build a team from scratch, he didn't draft Jordan, or pippen, or kobe, and had a minor role in some of the trades that happen.

He's learning just like everyone does with every new job they take on, so to say I have complete trust in phil as if he's build multiple championship roster, is fools gold. I know he knows what it takes, but that's not the same has knowing how to build it.

Rambis is everyones fall back option, because they trust phil knows what he's doing, but I have to ask, did he know what he was doing when he fired woodson, did he know what he as doing when he hired fisher?

It's not like he's batting .600 since he took the job.

IN terms of Phil building a team, he's been UP CLOSE and INVOLVED in Title teams for a long time. He's also a very studious basketball man and always has been. He's basing his building of this team on what he knows about what makes the Triangle work and thus he's not really guessing at all.

It's still a very difficult thing to build a winning team in the NBA. Especially when you don't have all of your picks, which has been the case with Phil. He came in with only 1 pick but look at how many picks he ended up with in the last 2 drafts. So yeah Phil has shown he's a capable President. The thing is that he's not finished. Let's see how things go this summer as well. He improved the Frontcourt and now we have to improve the Backcourt. He will have Free Agency, the Draft or UDFA's to look for talent.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:crzymdups, that is looking up at the sky and reporting "sources say the sky is blue."

I think this is a context thing. The real bolded part is this:

At Jackson's behest, Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis has been getting strong consideration for the post since the regular season ended.

I mean when Phil was asked about the coaching didn't he say they should consider Rambis? I remember him saying that at the end of the year no? So since then the reporters have gone on and on about it.

You are trying to corner me by asking if Stein (then naming his creds) "just made this up." I am saying he isn't saying anything EVERY other reporter isn't saying.

Rambis has been with Phil at every spot. Why is it such a stretch to suggest Phil likes and wants him as part of the staff?

When did ESPN break the news on Vogel/Blatt/Walton/Hornacek? Same time everyone else did. Know why? They have nothing new to add.

You said you are interested in what is happening. Do you have any intel on that besides the regurgitated "sources." I mean they are speculating on his vacation and the reasoning behind it. Yea... its made up. Its hearsay. It putting a bunch of half truths together and saying things like "its expected."

Do you think ESPN is a reliable source for Knicks intel? Nothing much REAL is being said is it?

crzymdups... why are getting so fired up about this? Im not taking digs at you or anyone. I have said the Fisher situation was a fail. Like you I see the ups and downs. But why are you getting upset at media reports that aren't saying anything? They have literally been wrong about everything since Phil has been here. Think of all the stuff they made up about Melo last year and all the chatter about the draft pick. All total BS. Remember its all Rambis because Phil isn't even interviewing? Guess what.. he was. And is... I just don't know what to tell you man. I don't defend Phil's every move. Nix is here for that. But why get upset over tabloids, or in ESPN's case a media outlet that quotes tabloids. Have we learned nothing?

ESPN has some good reporters and some crap ones. They broke the Blatt meeting, as I remember. They broke Lebron to Miami. They break stories all the time. These guys talk to people.

My question is why are they saying that it is "at Phil's behest Rambis be considered"... if Phil wants him considered, isn't he the boss? I think that's a very interesting tidbit, potentially. We shall see.

And, I'm aggitated because every time I try to talk about this coaching situation, I've been attacked or talked down to - first it was know-it-alls explaining to me that Phil was definitely hiring Rambis and keeping the Triangle and all was right in the world, then it was Phil is taking his time..., now it's of course Phil isn't hiring Rambis, etc. It's kind of annoying. The truth is no one ****ing knows what's gonna happen! And to me it's more interesting than talking about the draft picks we don't have or the free agents we won't get. Because not only is it the head coaching position, but it also gives insight into the philosophy of the team going forward and maybe even a peak into Phil's head about how long he intends to ride this out for. I find it way more interesting than the draft or free agency this year. It's the direction the team will take for the rest of Phil's tenure here. And yet, when I talk about it, question whether the Triangle is the right system, question whether Rambis is the right choice... just debating it... people are attacking me and acting like I'm personally attacking them. Am I wildly speculating? Sure. So is Briggs about Allen Crabbe. So are you about Nic Batum. It's sports! That's what you do! You speculate in between the games!

This is true we can only talk about theories here.