newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

Can't get all 3 at that cost. Jennings should not get 13-15 mil, he just hasn't proven enough coming back from injury this season. I would love to pay for 1 season similar to Rondo so we have our options open again next summer for the strong PG free agent class. But Jennings to me is worth 10 mil per year on a longer deal, or maybe 12 mil on a one year deal if he is trying to regain his value again to get a big contract the following summer. Bazemore will definitely get 10-12 mil, and given his shooting, defense, and still having upside, he is worth it. We can afford both of those players i think. Turner would depend on Afflalo and DWill. I would only sign him to replace Afflalo as 6th man, and would not pay him more than 8 mil per year. For that, i'll just resign Afflalo, who definitely hasn't earned more than he is being paid right now, but would probably accept a similar amount in a multi-year offer.

If Afflalo and D.Williams opted out and we don't re-sign them and we use the stretch provision on Calderon we'll have right around $36/$38 million to spend and we'd probably be able to sign all 3 of those guys which would be a big improvement to our team.

PG--B.Jennings/J.Grant
SG--K.Bazemore/Gallo
SF--Melo/L.Thomas
PF--K.Porzingis
C--R.Lopez/KOQ
6th man--E.Turner.
That's a pretty good team that can clearly make the playoffs right away.

Agreed. I would be tempted to keep DWill over Lance though considering age and still having some upside.

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

Jennings is clearly a wild card so we could hopefully get him on a cheap contract and cross our fingers he can come back strong from his injury which i don't think he's fully healed from yet.

fishmike wrote:I thought he might be a good fit but he really kinda sucks

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:I thought he might be a good fit but he really kinda sucks

Is he that much better than Affalo?

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

Jennings is clearly a wild card so we could hopefully get him on a cheap contract and cross our fingers he can come back strong from his injury which i don't think he's fully healed from yet.

OK, cheap contract aside, what do you like about him as a player? I just don't think he fits anything that Phil likes.

Most of his guards are big shooting guards who can create/shoot/defend or smaller guards who can either shoot or defend or both. All are ball movers.

Jennings does not fit that mold, so why?

Well if we want to go by the whole "does it fit what Phil wants" thing then we could say the same thing about T.Wroten cause he doesn't fit what everyone says Phil wants and he signed him so maybe Phil is actually open to trying players a little different then he's used to??

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

bazemore over afflalo,..wow another tim thomas for KVH lateral move, that would make us worse. Then the learning the triangle 2 yr curb....jennings a career 20 something percent 3 point shooter who knows nothing about the triangle..

You guys just want names

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

bazemore over afflalo,..wow another tim thomas for KVH lateral move, that would make us worse. Then the learning the triangle 2 yr curb....jennings a career 20 something percent 3 point shooter who knows nothing about the triangle..

You guys just want names

I don't even know what your response means

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

Jennings is clearly a wild card so we could hopefully get him on a cheap contract and cross our fingers he can come back strong from his injury which i don't think he's fully healed from yet.

OK, cheap contract aside, what do you like about him as a player? I just don't think he fits anything that Phil likes.

Most of his guards are big shooting guards who can create/shoot/defend or smaller guards who can either shoot or defend or both. All are ball movers.

Jennings does not fit that mold, so why?

Well if we want to go by the whole "does it fit what Phil wants" thing then we could say the same thing about T.Wroten cause he doesn't fit what everyone says Phil wants and he signed him so maybe Phil is actually open to trying players a little different then he's used to??

I think nix mentioned the same about Wroten, and I do agree about the shooting, I have no idea on his defense. He is big but can he defend? Is he a ball mover? He certainly has speed and can get to the rim. Does he move well without the ball? Can he get better?

But why would you pick out Wroten? Dude doesn't even have a guarantee for next year and if he DOES get a contract, it'll be along the lines of $1-2M? A toe test of sorts for a player who is only 21. This kind of fling is understood. Spending $5-8M on Jennings is another story, right? He is well established, still with upside, but is there long term love on the line?

I agree that spending $5-$8 mil on B.Jennings is taking a chance because he hasn't been showing any kind of consistency since he's been back playing but if he could get back to the player he was before the injury he's worth that $5-$8 mil per but is he a Phil guy is the question with him still. If i'm right i think he was really a scorer more than he was defender or a passer but not sure about that and if true then does Phil want a point guard that will dominate the ball or can Jennings become the player that Phil wants?? Can he become a true point guard that will put the work in to play the way Phil wants his point guard to play?? I don't have that answer but if he never had the knee injury he would be getting a hell of a lot more than $5-$8 mil per with his next contract so is he the chance worth taking is the real question??

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

callmened wrote:id be happy with an off season consisting of: jennings, bazemore and turner. but how can we afford them? jennings (13-15 mil), Bazemore (10-12 mil) and Turner (10-12 mill). give them short 2 yr deals. win 35-40 games the next few yrs and rebuild around KP

I can kinda sorta understand bazemore and to a lesser degree Turner (if he was on a 1 year deal) but jennings? Why Jennings?

Jennings is clearly a wild card so we could hopefully get him on a cheap contract and cross our fingers he can come back strong from his injury which i don't think he's fully healed from yet.

OK, cheap contract aside, what do you like about him as a player? I just don't think he fits anything that Phil likes.

Most of his guards are big shooting guards who can create/shoot/defend or smaller guards who can either shoot or defend or both. All are ball movers.

Jennings does not fit that mold, so why?

Well if we want to go by the whole "does it fit what Phil wants" thing then we could say the same thing about T.Wroten cause he doesn't fit what everyone says Phil wants and he signed him so maybe Phil is actually open to trying players a little different then he's used to??

I think nix mentioned the same about Wroten, and I do agree about the shooting, I have no idea on his defense. He is big but can he defend? Is he a ball mover? He certainly has speed and can get to the rim. Does he move well without the ball? Can he get better?

But why would you pick out Wroten? Dude doesn't even have a guarantee for next year and if he DOES get a contract, it'll be along the lines of $1-2M? A toe test of sorts for a player who is only 21. This kind of fling is understood. Spending $5-8M on Jennings is another story, right? He is well established, still with upside, but is there long term love on the line?

I agree that spending $5-$8 mil on B.Jennings is taking a chance because he hasn't been showing any kind of consistency since he's been back playing but if he could get back to the player he was before the injury he's worth that $5-$8 mil per but is he a Phil guy is the question with him still. If i'm right i think he was really a scorer more than he was defender or a passer but not sure about that and if true then does Phil want a point guard that will dominate the ball or can Jennings become the player that Phil wants?? Can he become a true point guard that will put the work in to play the way Phil wants his point guard to play?? I don't have that answer but if he never had the knee injury he would be getting a hell of a lot more than $5-$8 mil per with his next contract so is he the chance worth taking is the real question??

For me the simple answer is no unless the $ contract on a 1-year is so ridiculous in favor for NY. Like $2-4M.

Well that isn't happening so i'll put you down for a no then. lol