crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Someone was asking at some point if there had ever been a Triangle PG to shoot 65% or lower from the FT line and if there were he'd believe in Wroten. I responded with Ron Harper, and of course the OP never responded. I guess he missed it!

But something to consider - Ron Harper's first season in Chicago:

FG% .426 3PT% .282 FT% .618

Not saying that is ideal, but saying that Harper grew into a pretty player as a Bull, even though he joined the team at age 31.

Let's sign every guard who can't shoot! One of then will be the next Ron Harper! I'm just exaggerating.

He provides the team with something it sorely lacks - the ability to get to the rim.

A shot can be improved, shot selection can be improved, particularly in young players.

It doesn't mean it will happen, but it can. As a team with no draft pick this year, Wroten is a pretty high upside, cap neutral free agent to be able to grab in the midst of yet another lost season.

"A shot can be improved"

what do you think are the actual chances that his shot will improve enough to be passable?

I say 20% if he has everything else in place which is probably not more than a 20% chance in itself.

basically, I think he has a very very low chance of success.

JJ Reddick shot 41% from the field at age 22. He's at 48% from the field at age 31.

Durant shot 43% his rookie season, 51% now.

Dirk shot 40% his rookie season, shot 52% at his peak.

Plenty of players improve their shot and shot selection as they mature.

nobody (who's anybody) judges players on FG%.

JJ Redick avg'd a TS of 58.5 in orlando and started out at 56.5 for his first few years. Looking at FG% aside from being an incorrect and outdated practice but it can also confuse the hell out of you.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Someone was asking at some point if there had ever been a Triangle PG to shoot 65% or lower from the FT line and if there were he'd believe in Wroten. I responded with Ron Harper, and of course the OP never responded. I guess he missed it!

But something to consider - Ron Harper's first season in Chicago:

FG% .426 3PT% .282 FT% .618

Not saying that is ideal, but saying that Harper grew into a pretty player as a Bull, even though he joined the team at age 31.

Let's sign every guard who can't shoot! One of then will be the next Ron Harper! I'm just exaggerating.

He provides the team with something it sorely lacks - the ability to get to the rim.

A shot can be improved, shot selection can be improved, particularly in young players.

It doesn't mean it will happen, but it can. As a team with no draft pick this year, Wroten is a pretty high upside, cap neutral free agent to be able to grab in the midst of yet another lost season.

"A shot can be improved"

what do you think are the actual chances that his shot will improve enough to be passable?

I say 20% if he has everything else in place which is probably not more than a 20% chance in itself.

basically, I think he has a very very low chance of success.

JJ Reddick shot 41% from the field at age 22. He's at 48% from the field at age 31.

Durant shot 43% his rookie season, 51% now.

Dirk shot 40% his rookie season, shot 52% at his peak.

Plenty of players improve their shot and shot selection as they mature.

nobody (who's anybody) judges players on FG%.

JJ Redick avg'd a TS of 58.5 in orlando and started out at 56.5 for his first few years. Looking at FG% aside from being an incorrect and outdated practice but it can also confuse the hell out of you.

JJ shot more threes than your average player. I'm not really into having an analytics debate at the moment. I'm curious to see what Wroten can do. It's low risk, potentially high reward. Don't sweat it so much.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Someone was asking at some point if there had ever been a Triangle PG to shoot 65% or lower from the FT line and if there were he'd believe in Wroten. I responded with Ron Harper, and of course the OP never responded. I guess he missed it!

But something to consider - Ron Harper's first season in Chicago:

FG% .426 3PT% .282 FT% .618

Not saying that is ideal, but saying that Harper grew into a pretty player as a Bull, even though he joined the team at age 31.

Let's sign every guard who can't shoot! One of then will be the next Ron Harper! I'm just exaggerating.

He provides the team with something it sorely lacks - the ability to get to the rim.

A shot can be improved, shot selection can be improved, particularly in young players.

It doesn't mean it will happen, but it can. As a team with no draft pick this year, Wroten is a pretty high upside, cap neutral free agent to be able to grab in the midst of yet another lost season.

"A shot can be improved"

what do you think are the actual chances that his shot will improve enough to be passable?

I say 20% if he has everything else in place which is probably not more than a 20% chance in itself.

basically, I think he has a very very low chance of success.

JJ Reddick shot 41% from the field at age 22. He's at 48% from the field at age 31.

Durant shot 43% his rookie season, 51% now.

Dirk shot 40% his rookie season, shot 52% at his peak.

Plenty of players improve their shot and shot selection as they mature.

nobody (who's anybody) judges players on FG%.

JJ Redick avg'd a TS of 58.5 in orlando and started out at 56.5 for his first few years. Looking at FG% aside from being an incorrect and outdated practice but it can also confuse the hell out of you.

JJ shot more threes than your average player. I'm not really into having an analytics debate at the moment. I'm curious to see what Wroten can do. It's low risk, potentially high reward. Don't sweat it so much.

I am not sweating it and I love bringing in guys like this. I don't know why we are not playing many many diff young guys right now.

if phil wants to find a guy by taking a flyer then take a bunch of them to maximize your chances of hitting a gut shot.

I guess phil is old school and dem are just analytics stupid talk :-o

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season.

No kidding . . .

I would be ecstatic if he ends up being any where close to charlie ward.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Someone was asking at some point if there had ever been a Triangle PG to shoot 65% or lower from the FT line and if there were he'd believe in Wroten. I responded with Ron Harper, and of course the OP never responded. I guess he missed it!

But something to consider - Ron Harper's first season in Chicago:

FG% .426 3PT% .282 FT% .618

Not saying that is ideal, but saying that Harper grew into a pretty player as a Bull, even though he joined the team at age 31.

Let's sign every guard who can't shoot! One of then will be the next Ron Harper! I'm just exaggerating.

He provides the team with something it sorely lacks - the ability to get to the rim.

A shot can be improved, shot selection can be improved, particularly in young players.

It doesn't mean it will happen, but it can. As a team with no draft pick this year, Wroten is a pretty high upside, cap neutral free agent to be able to grab in the midst of yet another lost season.

"A shot can be improved"

what do you think are the actual chances that his shot will improve enough to be passable?

I say 20% if he has everything else in place which is probably not more than a 20% chance in itself.

basically, I think he has a very very low chance of success.

JJ Reddick shot 41% from the field at age 22. He's at 48% from the field at age 31.

Durant shot 43% his rookie season, 51% now.

Dirk shot 40% his rookie season, shot 52% at his peak.

Plenty of players improve their shot and shot selection as they mature.

nobody (who's anybody) judges players on FG%.

JJ Redick avg'd a TS of 58.5 in orlando and started out at 56.5 for his first few years. Looking at FG% aside from being an incorrect and outdated practice but it can also confuse the hell out of you.

JJ shot more threes than your average player. I'm not really into having an analytics debate at the moment. I'm curious to see what Wroten can do. It's low risk, potentially high reward. Don't sweat it so much.

I am not sweating it and I love bringing in guys like this. I don't know why we are not playing many many diff young guys right now.

if phil wants to find a guy by taking a flyer then take a bunch of them to maximize your chances of hitting a gut shot.

I guess phil is old school and dem are just analytics stupid talk :-o

foosballnick wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Someone was asking at some point if there had ever been a Triangle PG to shoot 65% or lower from the FT line and if there were he'd believe in Wroten. I responded with Ron Harper, and of course the OP never responded. I guess he missed it!

But something to consider - Ron Harper's first season in Chicago:

FG% .426 3PT% .282 FT% .618

Not saying that is ideal, but saying that Harper grew into a pretty player as a Bull, even though he joined the team at age 31.

Let's sign every guard who can't shoot! One of then will be the next Ron Harper! I'm just exaggerating.

He provides the team with something it sorely lacks - the ability to get to the rim.

A shot can be improved, shot selection can be improved, particularly in young players.

It doesn't mean it will happen, but it can. As a team with no draft pick this year, Wroten is a pretty high upside, cap neutral free agent to be able to grab in the midst of yet another lost season.

"A shot can be improved"

what do you think are the actual chances that his shot will improve enough to be passable?

I say 20% if he has everything else in place which is probably not more than a 20% chance in itself.

basically, I think he has a very very low chance of success.

JJ Reddick shot 41% from the field at age 22. He's at 48% from the field at age 31.

Durant shot 43% his rookie season, 51% now.

Dirk shot 40% his rookie season, shot 52% at his peak.

Plenty of players improve their shot and shot selection as they mature.

nobody (who's anybody) judges players on FG%.

JJ Redick avg'd a TS of 58.5 in orlando and started out at 56.5 for his first few years. Looking at FG% aside from being an incorrect and outdated practice but it can also confuse the hell out of you.

JJ shot more threes than your average player. I'm not really into having an analytics debate at the moment. I'm curious to see what Wroten can do. It's low risk, potentially high reward. Don't sweat it so much.

I am not sweating it and I love bringing in guys like this. I don't know why we are not playing many many diff young guys right now.

if phil wants to find a guy by taking a flyer then take a bunch of them to maximize your chances of hitting a gut shot.

I guess phil is old school and dem are just analytics stupid talk :-o

He had one roster spot to fill. How do you sign a bunch of guys with one spot? He just spoke and obviously sees a value to having Lou and Sasha on the team. He also said he wants to evaluate the guys on the team that are going to be free agents.
Ian not sure how waiving a bunch of your vets to try out guys that were cut or are in the d league is new school and I don't know of any team that has done that. It does sound like away to create strife with players/agent and chaos on a team.

He's got Google, Basketball Reference and an anonymous Internet account. With all this of course he knows more about how to turn around a previously capped out, terrible franchise than Grampa Phil.

I am not a GM have no idea how to turn this sh1t boat around.

I am also not blind and can see when another is struggling to do it as well.