Chandler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Chandler wrote:This is total crazy talk! Lets blow up the team, and mimic GS

Trying to mimic the GS system is a recipe for ultimate defeat. To be clear, you won't beat GS at such a game unless you think (1) you can get better personnel than them or (2) a better coach, and realistically you might need both. Copying is not the answer. Even if you got equivalent personnel you'd lose because GS would have the benefit of all that experience together

Our best hope is to have a different system. I think the triangle can work. Reasonable minds can differ about what system they like.

Let GS run all over the court, but let's limit them to outside shots and take our lumps with that. Then let's keep them out of the paint, and use our length to get all the rebounds and take our shots closer to the basket.

NO we're not close to contending with GS yet. But the idea of let's do what the other guys are doing is short-sighted. It might get you some wins in the short term but it won't get what you really want, which is a title.

GS just got it right fast. We have a great player in KP--hes going to be great. Getting a mobile 4 like Batum--even overpaying for him sets up a beautiful frontline if we can get Boban for 5 years 22mm and keeping Thomas(for now) that gives us a LOT of skill rim protection and mobility on both units. And YEP Id be copy catting the Warriors by finding 6 guards. I can keep Affalo and Grant--I think they can work --we need a SECOND PG to play WITH GRant. Thats what he had at Notre Dame with Jackson. Deozan would he come here? I mean youre betting hed come to NY instead of Toronto--its a much better bet than almost any other FA. These two FA have some legitimacy of coming here. Im not spending max money on Mike Conley. If Im giving up Lopez and CA I need picks and I need them this year. I need certain players--so it all goes together.

Its much easier to say lets keep it together and add a PG right? But CA isnt going to stay healthy Lopez and KP TOGETHER are too slow and we need to put together a 2 and 3 rd unit that MAKES sense--not have guys because they are vets etc.. have guys that fit the team and have a couple of spots that house future players. Having a Lou Admundson did absolutely nothing for this team AT the bottom line it had ZERO value. We have a player we can play faster with--why do I want to pair him with a slow 7-0 260 guy for???? This not 1998 anymore. I want guys who are VERY smart skilled passers guards with diversity etc... that I can put a unit out for any 48 minutes that brings force and or speed--that puts tremendous pressure on the other squad.

You can't copy the GS system and beat them wo having better players than them and a coach. Your scenario fails and is nuts

It's a cathartic response because you're frustrated with the losing and want to blow up what's frustrating you

Nope I just realize its a guards league now and we need to go in that direction. We need more mobile players--quicker players. Players who emphasize ball movement and have the ability to shoot the 3 ball. I dont see a winning team playing 2 7 footers. You can do it for small periods but the rules and speed of the game dont favor it. We have a great player--we can create a LOT of space inside for him playing 4-1. I think we can get what we need from the 5 by signing the back up C for San Antonio for probably 8mm less than what Lopez makes. Listen R Lopez has been good the last 20 games but weve also lost 10 of those 11. I mean weve been down 20 at home how many times to bad teams? Id rather have Batum and Derozan than Lopez and Carmelo. These guys played as well as they can and they still got beat at home to a bad team. Just think about it. We are not playing the right way

San Antonio disagrees w you. Granted LA isn't quite 7' but is close

They play big. They rebound. They pass. It's a winning formula

Also FWIW Manu is not fast

Smurf line ups winning everything are really rare. GS has remarkable talent that I think is impossible to duplicate or foolish to build a system in hope of duplicating. Suns years back were fun to watch during regular season. Never won it all.

And you can say that we won't be able to beat San Antonio at their game without getting better players and a coach. Why this winning formula is different from the other winning formula? What GS is doing maybe newer and less traditional but rejecting it as impossible because of that seems to be myopic.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Chandler wrote:This is total crazy talk! Lets blow up the team, and mimic GS

Trying to mimic the GS system is a recipe for ultimate defeat. To be clear, you won't beat GS at such a game unless you think (1) you can get better personnel than them or (2) a better coach, and realistically you might need both. Copying is not the answer. Even if you got equivalent personnel you'd lose because GS would have the benefit of all that experience together

Our best hope is to have a different system. I think the triangle can work. Reasonable minds can differ about what system they like.

Let GS run all over the court, but let's limit them to outside shots and take our lumps with that. Then let's keep them out of the paint, and use our length to get all the rebounds and take our shots closer to the basket.

NO we're not close to contending with GS yet. But the idea of let's do what the other guys are doing is short-sighted. It might get you some wins in the short term but it won't get what you really want, which is a title.

GS just got it right fast. We have a great player in KP--hes going to be great. Getting a mobile 4 like Batum--even overpaying for him sets up a beautiful frontline if we can get Boban for 5 years 22mm and keeping Thomas(for now) that gives us a LOT of skill rim protection and mobility on both units. And YEP Id be copy catting the Warriors by finding 6 guards. I can keep Affalo and Grant--I think they can work --we need a SECOND PG to play WITH GRant. Thats what he had at Notre Dame with Jackson. Deozan would he come here? I mean youre betting hed come to NY instead of Toronto--its a much better bet than almost any other FA. These two FA have some legitimacy of coming here. Im not spending max money on Mike Conley. If Im giving up Lopez and CA I need picks and I need them this year. I need certain players--so it all goes together.

Its much easier to say lets keep it together and add a PG right? But CA isnt going to stay healthy Lopez and KP TOGETHER are too slow and we need to put together a 2 and 3 rd unit that MAKES sense--not have guys because they are vets etc.. have guys that fit the team and have a couple of spots that house future players. Having a Lou Admundson did absolutely nothing for this team AT the bottom line it had ZERO value. We have a player we can play faster with--why do I want to pair him with a slow 7-0 260 guy for???? This not 1998 anymore. I want guys who are VERY smart skilled passers guards with diversity etc... that I can put a unit out for any 48 minutes that brings force and or speed--that puts tremendous pressure on the other squad.

You can't copy the GS system and beat them wo having better players than them and a coach. Your scenario fails and is nuts

It's a cathartic response because you're frustrated with the losing and want to blow up what's frustrating you

Nope I just realize its a guards league now and we need to go in that direction. We need more mobile players--quicker players. Players who emphasize ball movement and have the ability to shoot the 3 ball. I dont see a winning team playing 2 7 footers. You can do it for small periods but the rules and speed of the game dont favor it. We have a great player--we can create a LOT of space inside for him playing 4-1. I think we can get what we need from the 5 by signing the back up C for San Antonio for probably 8mm less than what Lopez makes. Listen R Lopez has been good the last 20 games but weve also lost 10 of those 11. I mean weve been down 20 at home how many times to bad teams? Id rather have Batum and Derozan than Lopez and Carmelo. These guys played as well as they can and they still got beat at home to a bad team. Just think about it. We are not playing the right way

San Antonio disagrees w you. Granted LA isn't quite 7' but is close

They play big. They rebound. They pass. It's a winning formula

Also FWIW Manu is not fast

Smurf line ups winning everything are really rare. GS has remarkable talent that I think is impossible to duplicate or foolish to build a system in hope of duplicating. Suns years back were fun to watch during regular season. Never won it all.

And you can say that we won't be able to beat San Antonio at their game without getting better players and a coach. Why this winning formula is different from the other winning formula? What GS is doing maybe newer and less traditional but rejecting it as impossible because of that seems to be myopic.

Few points
1. Mimicking GS makes no sense for us. Guard is already our weakest position and as I said we'd have to have better players and coach to beat them
2. Your point about San antonio is valid. But we have a better opportunity to mimic that. And we wouldn't be mimicking For that matter. Triangle is similar to a motion offense but not the same.
3. Last point is economics. And this is important in the age of salary cap. When you mimick another successful team you tend to overpay. The rage now is 3 and D. When you buy those guys you overpay. See carol, crowder etc. not that they're bad but they were expensive. You're better off economically buying guys whose skill set is currently out of favor and cheaper -- assuming of course you can create a winning system with that skill set

Lastly between triangle and San Antonio you're looking at something like 15 championships. That's pretty damn good