Fish made his mistakes but I still think this roster needs help. The losing wasn't all his fault. I'm very curious to hear what Phil has to say on the subject.

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

I will be optimistic. My big hope is that he and Phil keep very open doors. Guy was a third round pick who had a successful career. Would like to think that's because he was a smart player

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.

Guess its official.

gunsnewing wrote:Hopefully Rambis pushes Geant. I don't see Rambis closing out games with Calderon/Sasha

Yes.

Hopefully that's the first course of action during Rambis regime. See what you have in Jerian Grant. Throw him in the starting lineup for the remainder of the season.

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.

I don't want Shaw at all. He was horrible with Denver and they had some good talent on those teams. If i could choose i'd think about bringing JVG back and maybe he could get Thibs to come back with him as a assistant. I doubt it but i do think JVG would be a good choice or i'd even give the job to Thibs but the way he was talked about how he ran his players to the ground would be tough to get around.

I hate to disagree with you,but you are not thinking coherently. Why on earth would Phil chose to hire a coach who doesn't view the game as he does? Specifically, when some of the assistants he trained (Shaw, Walton) are available?

nixluva wrote:I was wrong! I really didn't believe Phil would fire Fish during this season. I guess it shows that Phil had seen enough and lost faith in Fish. Despite the rash of injuries, it seems Phil wasn't willing to wait for Fish to figure things out any longer. Maybe he was worried that the losing would do serious damage if it kept going this way.

Fish made his mistakes but I still think this roster needs help. The losing wasn't all his fault. I'm very curious to hear what Phil has to say on the subject.

I know it's weird but could the Rondo comment have been a last straw? I mean if NY is already a tough sell with the triangle and you've got vets like Rondo publicly saying "nah son" — instead of Fisher taking it as an opportunity to champion the triangle's abilities — weak side, two man, side triangle what have you — like you do he just got defensive and said "we don't want you anyway" — maybe Phil sees another reclamation project there? Or in any case, realizes Fisher is not going to be a good advocate for the system to his former peers?

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

I would think most of us would want Luke to get the job right?? I was interested in him when his name was being thrown around for our job before Fisher got it.

Ditto. With all the experience he's gotten with the Warriors, we need to hire that guy. I'd imagine he'd have a better understanding of how to morph the triangle and what the Spurs do (courtesy of Steve Kerr), to then impliment it here in NY. The triangle is a great system but it needs to accomodate shifts in the current crop of NBA talent and playing styles. GSW understood that and made the adjustments wonderfully.

As a side, I do hope we can keep Fisher around in some capacity in the organization. I personally think that he'd be better as a front office guy. If not, we can kiss hopes of Russell Westbrook in 2017 goodbye.

I'm on board with a Walton hiring. Also on board with the idea of Phil telling Rambis "show me what you got"

this is a demonstration of "accountability" (though i never predicted during the season)

I'd rather we just not play the triangle any longer or at least not be a full triangle system but i just can't see Phil going away from it and obviously Rambis is full on with the triangle as well. We can't really go by what Rambis did in Minnesota cause he had really bad teams at that time but i'm curious for the 2nd half now.

I think we need the triangle. We can't play small ball and win big. (we could win a few more games perhaps but the approach is too limiting unless you're stacked with the right players). If executed properly it creates a nice offensive and defensive balance, and it keeps all guys involved.

My hope would be to push the ball up quick for some more quick sets including PnR type things, and to run the triangle through Melo (who seems to be passing out of double teams better and better) or KP (who really does pass well for a big guy). Running through Rolo still needs a lot of work, and forget it with black hole Seraphin