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GustavBahler
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1/13/2016  12:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2016  12:09 PM
KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
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1/13/2016  12:38 PM
GustavBahler wrote:KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
.

Winslow and Mudiay, both players many wanted us to take at #4, have shown a steady decline in their shooting.

Not as easy to fix a bad jump shot as some think, and I think they both have similar issues with their shooting form.

Winslow knows his place on the Heat, though, and does a lot of little things. There are questions about his durability, however, which seems amazing given the body he has.

Have not watched many Denver games...Mudiay was hurt, but he's been trending toward being a 30% shooter from the field for a long time, now. Surprised about him, because he had some good moments early on. Really question his endurance/shape.

Not able to get to your link, but I expect Booker might be on the rise based on the box scores I've been seeing. Not sure he can play and D, but he is sure shooting well, and I seemed to recall that he has a lot of physical maturing to do. Down the road you might be able to make a case that Orlando should have looked at him over Hezonja if you wanted a scoring swingman.


KP is just starting to give us an idea of how good he will eventually be. Not sure that I've ever seen a rookie, or even a vet, with the assortment of shots this guy has...almost too many.

There are still times where he plays like he's unaware he's 7'3"... when he finally plays to his height, he will be more scary.

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1/13/2016  12:55 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
.

Winslow and Mudiay, both players many wanted us to take at #4, have shown a steady decline in their shooting.

Not as easy to fix a bad jump shot as some think, and I think they both have similar issues with their shooting form.

Winslow knows his place on the Heat, though, and does a lot of little things. There are questions about his durability, however, which seems amazing given the body he has.

Have not watched many Denver games...Mudiay was hurt, but he's been trending toward being a 30% shooter from the field for a long time, now. Surprised about him, because he had some good moments early on. Really question his endurance/shape.

Not able to get to your link, but I expect Booker might be on the rise based on the box scores I've been seeing. Not sure he can play and D, but he is sure shooting well, and I seemed to recall that he has a lot of physical maturing to do. Down the road you might be able to make a case that Orlando should have looked at him over Hezonja if you wanted a scoring swingman.


KP is just starting to give us an idea of how good he will eventually be. Not sure that I've ever seen a rookie, or even a vet, with the assortment of shots this guy has...almost too many.

There are still times where he plays like he's unaware he's 7'3"... when he finally plays to his height, he will be more scary.

Like when he almost casually drained that 14 footer with Smart in his grill? I agree with your point. Assuming he stays healthy (I sacrifice chickens and goats daily to ensure this... no thanks needed) think about next year. This year it was just get strong and try to find his game. Next year it will be working on all the things that make him a better NBA player. Considering he's our 2nd most valuable guy and averaging 14/8/2blocks as a rookie that is wonderful thought!
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1/13/2016  1:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2016  1:05 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
.

Winslow and Mudiay, both players many wanted us to take at #4, have shown a steady decline in their shooting.

Not as easy to fix a bad jump shot as some think, and I think they both have similar issues with their shooting form.

Winslow knows his place on the Heat, though, and does a lot of little things. There are questions about his durability, however, which seems amazing given the body he has.

Have not watched many Denver games...Mudiay was hurt, but he's been trending toward being a 30% shooter from the field for a long time, now. Surprised about him, because he had some good moments early on. Really question his endurance/shape.

Not able to get to your link, but I expect Booker might be on the rise based on the box scores I've been seeing. Not sure he can play and D, but he is sure shooting well, and I seemed to recall that he has a lot of physical maturing to do. Down the road you might be able to make a case that Orlando should have looked at him over Hezonja if you wanted a scoring swingman.


KP is just starting to give us an idea of how good he will eventually be. Not sure that I've ever seen a rookie, or even a vet, with the assortment of shots this guy has...almost too many.

There are still times where he plays like he's unaware he's 7'3"... when he finally plays to his height, he will be more scary.

Sorry about the link.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

Thought before the draft that Winslow's ceiling was a very good role player, looks that way right now. As for Mudiay, thought his erratic shooting, and his bailing for China made me want to avoid him. High risk, high reward player, that I didnt believe was worth the risk with the highest pick in 30 years.

You could say the same thing about KP, high risk, high reward, but I saw someone who had a bigger upside, a better chance of being a force in this league. Russell was my first choice, he's had his ups and down, but I believe he's going to be a special player when it becomes D'Angelo's team.

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1/13/2016  1:07 PM
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
.

Winslow and Mudiay, both players many wanted us to take at #4, have shown a steady decline in their shooting.

Not as easy to fix a bad jump shot as some think, and I think they both have similar issues with their shooting form.

Winslow knows his place on the Heat, though, and does a lot of little things. There are questions about his durability, however, which seems amazing given the body he has.

Have not watched many Denver games...Mudiay was hurt, but he's been trending toward being a 30% shooter from the field for a long time, now. Surprised about him, because he had some good moments early on. Really question his endurance/shape.

Not able to get to your link, but I expect Booker might be on the rise based on the box scores I've been seeing. Not sure he can play and D, but he is sure shooting well, and I seemed to recall that he has a lot of physical maturing to do. Down the road you might be able to make a case that Orlando should have looked at him over Hezonja if you wanted a scoring swingman.


KP is just starting to give us an idea of how good he will eventually be. Not sure that I've ever seen a rookie, or even a vet, with the assortment of shots this guy has...almost too many.

There are still times where he plays like he's unaware he's 7'3"... when he finally plays to his height, he will be more scary.

Like when he almost casually drained that 14 footer with Smart in his grill? I agree with your point. Assuming he stays healthy (I sacrifice chickens and goats daily to ensure this... no thanks needed) think about next year. This year it was just get strong and try to find his game. Next year it will be working on all the things that make him a better NBA player. Considering he's our 2nd most valuable guy and averaging 14/8/2blocks as a rookie that is wonderful thought!

That was a shot I was going to mention, but did not- he shot it like Smart was not even there. All a matter of confidence and assertiveness. Also liked that he used the backboard much more yesterday.

My homework for him in the offseason...watch videos and try to emulate the best of McHale, Walton, Jabbar, and Hakeem so he can deal with the little folk who try to guard him.

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1/13/2016  2:57 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
.

Winslow and Mudiay, both players many wanted us to take at #4, have shown a steady decline in their shooting.

Not as easy to fix a bad jump shot as some think, and I think they both have similar issues with their shooting form.

Winslow knows his place on the Heat, though, and does a lot of little things. There are questions about his durability, however, which seems amazing given the body he has.

Have not watched many Denver games...Mudiay was hurt, but he's been trending toward being a 30% shooter from the field for a long time, now. Surprised about him, because he had some good moments early on. Really question his endurance/shape.

Not able to get to your link, but I expect Booker might be on the rise based on the box scores I've been seeing. Not sure he can play and D, but he is sure shooting well, and I seemed to recall that he has a lot of physical maturing to do. Down the road you might be able to make a case that Orlando should have looked at him over Hezonja if you wanted a scoring swingman.


KP is just starting to give us an idea of how good he will eventually be. Not sure that I've ever seen a rookie, or even a vet, with the assortment of shots this guy has...almost too many.

There are still times where he plays like he's unaware he's 7'3"... when he finally plays to his height, he will be more scary.

Like when he almost casually drained that 14 footer with Smart in his grill? I agree with your point. Assuming he stays healthy (I sacrifice chickens and goats daily to ensure this... no thanks needed) think about next year. This year it was just get strong and try to find his game. Next year it will be working on all the things that make him a better NBA player. Considering he's our 2nd most valuable guy and averaging 14/8/2blocks as a rookie that is wonderful thought!

That was a shot I was going to mention, but did not- he shot it like Smart was not even there. All a matter of confidence and assertiveness. Also liked that he used the backboard much more yesterday.

My homework for him in the offseason...watch videos and try to emulate the best of McHale, Walton, Jabbar, and Hakeem so he can deal with the little folk who try to guard him.

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1/13/2016  3:33 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP still at 2 on the NBA rookie ladder, didn't know Winslow was shooting that bad.

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/01/13/2015-16-rookie-ladder-week-12/index.html

making an impact reminiscent of the unexpected early-season impact, with at least nine rebounds in five of the last 10 outings. And when that dipped to six on Sunday against the Bucks, he had five blocks to make a difference in another way. Porzingis is second among rookies in rebounding and his 7.9 rebounds in 27.8 minutes is decent production regardless of experience
.

Winslow and Mudiay, both players many wanted us to take at #4, have shown a steady decline in their shooting.

Not as easy to fix a bad jump shot as some think, and I think they both have similar issues with their shooting form.

Winslow knows his place on the Heat, though, and does a lot of little things. There are questions about his durability, however, which seems amazing given the body he has.

Have not watched many Denver games...Mudiay was hurt, but he's been trending toward being a 30% shooter from the field for a long time, now. Surprised about him, because he had some good moments early on. Really question his endurance/shape.

Not able to get to your link, but I expect Booker might be on the rise based on the box scores I've been seeing. Not sure he can play and D, but he is sure shooting well, and I seemed to recall that he has a lot of physical maturing to do. Down the road you might be able to make a case that Orlando should have looked at him over Hezonja if you wanted a scoring swingman.


KP is just starting to give us an idea of how good he will eventually be. Not sure that I've ever seen a rookie, or even a vet, with the assortment of shots this guy has...almost too many.

There are still times where he plays like he's unaware he's 7'3"... when he finally plays to his height, he will be more scary.

Like when he almost casually drained that 14 footer with Smart in his grill? I agree with your point. Assuming he stays healthy (I sacrifice chickens and goats daily to ensure this... no thanks needed) think about next year. This year it was just get strong and try to find his game. Next year it will be working on all the things that make him a better NBA player. Considering he's our 2nd most valuable guy and averaging 14/8/2blocks as a rookie that is wonderful thought!

That was a shot I was going to mention, but did not- he shot it like Smart was not even there. All a matter of confidence and assertiveness. Also liked that he used the backboard much more yesterday.

My homework for him in the offseason...watch videos and try to emulate the best of McHale, Walton, Jabbar, and Hakeem so he can deal with the little folk who try to guard him.

this... post moves will be the key to his long term success. As his shot gets better and better you will see teams put smaller players on his to disrupt his rhythm much like they did with Dirk some years ago. What KP need to do is have the skill set that ensures they cant do that? Want to limit those good looks for jumpers with a smaller quicker player? Fine... but you will have to deal with KP closer to the basket and the Knicks need to ensure they can get him the ball when that happens. That being said he shows plenty of that now... hard to really find any glaring holes in KP's game. A bit of a lazy passer right now but I expect that to improve as well.
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1/13/2016  7:34 PM
The Knicks just need to practice the lob pass to KP the same as DWILL does when a defender is overplaying him. Fighting that hard leaves you open to the alleyoop lob pass. KP will learn how to set up guys for this as DWILL has already mastered.

Porzingis has turned this team around

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