knickscity wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The offense is n issue because the players are clearly having issues with it. Too many pros in the game have said so, and they know more about that ANYONE on this board. Rick Fox has said it, he's played in it on a PRO level. Does anyone here know more than him? How about Kobe?

Enough with that nonsense.

Now, the team needs a major injection of talent as well, but there's no guarantee that talent will get this offense. It's a vicious circle and this team really cannot afford to keep resetting the clock.

Phil is obviously not resetting clocks. He's being quite cautious in making moves because he expects mistakes on a newly formed team. What he's assembled is an interesting core group - its always a crap shoot as to injuries, temperament, and lady fortune. He's not done tinkering but he's not panicking so why are so many of the critics on the ledge?

IMO, its because there's zero understanding of the growth and maturation process for players and coaches. Win or lose this team has a long road to travel before they're legitimate contenders and the pundits know it. The "professional" cheap shots and Captain Obvious criticisms of the players and coaches is predictable and will continue until Phil gets his next ring.

Phil is gonna have to reset unless you think calderon will be here the entire time....thats one starter. What if Afflalo opts out? Thats two starters. The bench still needs work, primarily guards. I'm also of the opinion that an upgrade is needed at starting center.

As far the criticisms go, they should be there until the team at a minimum provides some winning basketball.

I think Calderon is on a bubble, not because he isn't wanted but because he may have some exchange value with a team that's serious about their tank. His situation is little different than Prigioni last year.

Early in the season, Calderon talked about being resigned to taking a lesser role than starting. He's an unexpected placeholder. My suspicion is that Phil envisioned Calderon as a Steve Kerr-like sharp-shooter from the bench who was pressed into broader [and a less effective role]. Jimmer is now being groomed as that Steve Kerr - instant offense clone.

Afflalo and Lopez WANT to be here - hard to imagine them choosing out although block-buster trades can move anyone. But both are playing sub-par ball lately.

KP will soon be the starting center [or dual PF/C] but that won't become awesome for a year or so.

So I'm having a hard time understanding a "reset". This is year one of a championship march - the troops are learning to march.

fwk00 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The offense is n issue because the players are clearly having issues with it. Too many pros in the game have said so, and they know more about that ANYONE on this board. Rick Fox has said it, he's played in it on a PRO level. Does anyone here know more than him? How about Kobe?

Enough with that nonsense.

Now, the team needs a major injection of talent as well, but there's no guarantee that talent will get this offense. It's a vicious circle and this team really cannot afford to keep resetting the clock.

Phil is obviously not resetting clocks. He's being quite cautious in making moves because he expects mistakes on a newly formed team. What he's assembled is an interesting core group - its always a crap shoot as to injuries, temperament, and lady fortune. He's not done tinkering but he's not panicking so why are so many of the critics on the ledge?

IMO, its because there's zero understanding of the growth and maturation process for players and coaches. Win or lose this team has a long road to travel before they're legitimate contenders and the pundits know it. The "professional" cheap shots and Captain Obvious criticisms of the players and coaches is predictable and will continue until Phil gets his next ring.

Phil is gonna have to reset unless you think calderon will be here the entire time....thats one starter. What if Afflalo opts out? Thats two starters. The bench still needs work, primarily guards. I'm also of the opinion that an upgrade is needed at starting center.

As far the criticisms go, they should be there until the team at a minimum provides some winning basketball.

I think Calderon is on a bubble, not because he isn't wanted but because he may have some exchange value with a team that's serious about their tank. His situation is little different than Prigioni last year.

Early in the season, Calderon talked about being resigned to taking a lesser role than starting. He's an unexpected placeholder. My suspicion is that Phil envisioned Calderon as a Steve Kerr-like sharp-shooter from the bench who was pressed into broader [and a less effective role]. Jimmer is now being groomed as that Steve Kerr - instant offense clone.

Afflalo and Lopez WANT to be here - hard to imagine them choosing out although block-buster trades can move anyone. But both are playing sub-par ball lately.

KP will soon be the starting center [or dual PF/C] but that won't become awesome for a year or so.

So I'm having a hard time understanding a "reset". This is year one of a championship march - the troops are learning to march.

Agree with this post, especially the bolded

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:This team has some talent but not overwhelming talent.

This team is playing above my expectations.

In other words, the talent is better than I expected: mostly Afflalo and Lawson and KP.

And the defense is not only better than I expected, it's better than I can imagine at this stage.

So I think the number of wins so far is very close to fair -- mostly due to defense . . .

Lawson??

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:This team has some talent but not overwhelming talent.

This team is playing above my expectations.

In other words, the talent is better than I expected: mostly Afflalo and Lawson and KP.

And the defense is not only better than I expected, it's better than I can imagine at this stage.

So I think the number of wins so far is very close to fair -- mostly due to defense . . .

Lawson??

I think he meant Lance Thomas! 😄

nyknickzingis wrote:Yeah and also liked that he gave Lopez a stretch at the start of the 4th Q to run S/R with Grant. Quinn doesn't set anywhere near the picks that Lopez can, nor does he protect the basket. The whole advantage of having TWO 7 footers (or 7, 7'3 guys) with that type of athleticism/length is to never have to have your basket area or ability to play S/R affected. We shouldn't have a single moment (outside of garbage time or situations where there's a long road trip going on with plenty of back to backs) in important games where there isn't Lopez or Porzingis out there. Quinn is really solid in what he brings, but we need that extra size and length to give us an edge. I also agree that having either Melo or Porzingis out there at all times to have someone you can throw the ball to create a shot is important.

Fish gets it for 1 game, but lets see if he continues. He's shown that he'll do things for a particular game then completely abandon it the next. I'd like to see some continuity with Lopez/Porzingis at 5, and one of Porzingis/Melo out there at all times. It's the way you establish your team's identity. Still don't have a true identity for the Knicks.

Why has it taken him this many games to realize that it is paramount to always have two of the starters in the rotation at all times? We won tonight's game because Aflalo was on fire and RoLo surprisingly had a very good game at both ends. I am so shocked fisher did not play Seraphin:::)))

nixluva wrote:Things get real easy for any coach when starters are playing well. There's less of a reason to extend the rotation when your top rotation players are giving you what you need. Basically most teams win with solid contributions from their top 6-7 players most nights. Your starters plus 1 to 2 more guys have to be fairly consistent. We haven't gotten that and it makes things a bit tougher. Today you got good play from the starters and no one got into any serious foul trouble, so there wasn't a need to put in an extra guy.

Today the offensive execution was better and they had a hot shooter and kept feeding him for a change. They have to find more consistency in what they were able to do today. They kept things moving and put pressure on the defense with more aggressive ball and player movement. They still very much ran the Triangle today despite what most think was going on. They just used more of the always available options rather than trying to force one predictable aspect of the side Triangle. The execution was simply better and they were more aggressive in working off the drag screens which makes people think they weren't running Triangle but it wasn't really anything new. They just did it better.

Maybe Phil had that talk with Fisher about his "Yoyo" rotation. Before judging or criticizing the players, Fisher the roach needs to take a really good look at himself. We were agressive from the jump, all due to Nose not hesitating to shoot the ball. Why wasn't that conveyed to him since the beginning of the season? He should have been told to be aggressive or he would be removed from the starting 5. He gives us Jack doodoo on defense, but if he can contribute on offense, it is a plus.

After all, it ain't like he is setting up the offense all that well as a PG. he slows the tempo down and makes us look very old. So, if he wants to play, he has to earn his spot by knocking down jumpers.

NYStateOfMind wrote:

nixluva wrote:Things get real easy for any coach when starters are playing well. There's less of a reason to extend the rotation when your top rotation players are giving you what you need. Basically most teams win with solid contributions from their top 6-7 players most nights. Your starters plus 1 to 2 more guys have to be fairly consistent. We haven't gotten that and it makes things a bit tougher. Today you got good play from the starters and no one got into any serious foul trouble, so there wasn't a need to put in an extra guy.

Today the offensive execution was better and they had a hot shooter and kept feeding him for a change. They have to find more consistency in what they were able to do today. They kept things moving and put pressure on the defense with more aggressive ball and player movement. They still very much ran the Triangle today despite what most think was going on. They just used more of the always available options rather than trying to force one predictable aspect of the side Triangle. The execution was simply better and they were more aggressive in working off the drag screens which makes people think they weren't running Triangle but it wasn't really anything new. They just did it better.

Maybe we haven't gotten that because he plays too many players in games with inconsistent minutes and roles. One game Williams is a major factor, next he is in the doghouse and plays 7 minutes. The game last night showed you play a smaller rotation, say 8 to 9 players. 5 starters and 3 to 4 replacements. I like always having a starter or 2 on the court, it is smart basketball. The rest of the bench is for garbage time or to cover injuries/foul trouble. It isn't rocket science. If a player fails in their consistent role, then replace them.

Preach brother....most of the fans around here don't really get what it takes to build team cohesion. They want what the Spurs and other winning franchises have, but they don't really see what they are doing to obtain that success. I like Phil's vision, but Fisher in my opinion was a bad hire. He knows nothing about coaching.