dacash wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I want to rebuild around Porzingis but since we seem focused on building with both he AND Melo, here goes....

Jose Calderon, Kevin Seraphin and Cleanthony "Captain Ahab" Early to the Clippers for Lance Stephenson, CJ Wilcox and two future unprotected second round picks. The benefits of the deal have been talked about ad nauseum so I won't rehash them again.

I'd also try to target the Suns' backcourt of Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, which could be possible if the Suns want to rebuild....

Knicks Trade:Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Jerian Grant, two future 2nd round picks (via LAC) and $3 million cash
Knicks Recieve: Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight and Alex Ajinca

Suns Trade: Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight
Suns Recieve: Jrue Holiday, Jerian Grant, Tyreke Evans, cash, two future 2nd round picks (via LAC)

Pelicans Trade: Eric Gordon, Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans and Alexis Ajinca
Pelicans Receieve:: Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Brandon Jennnings and Jodie Meeks

Pistons Trade: Brandon Jennings and Jolie Meeks
Pistons Receieve: Eric Gordon

Come the offseason, I'd throw a quasi-max, light in years contract at Batum. It'd effectively make our rotation...

STARTERS
PG: Brandon Knight
SG: Eric Bledsoe
SF: Nicolas Batum
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Kristaps Porzingis

BENCH
G: Jimmer Fredette
G: Lance Stephenson
SF: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: Kyle O'Quinn

Well i love looking at that lineup and would be ecstatic if we had that team but we'd need to add another big center besides just O'Quinn.

WELL WE HAVE BYCHANSKI IN THE D LEAGUE AND HERNANGOMEZ IN SPAIN

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I want to rebuild around Porzingis but since we seem focused on building with both he AND Melo, here goes....

Jose Calderon, Kevin Seraphin and Cleanthony "Captain Ahab" Early to the Clippers for Lance Stephenson, CJ Wilcox and two future unprotected second round picks. The benefits of the deal have been talked about ad nauseum so I won't rehash them again.

I'd also try to target the Suns' backcourt of Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, which could be possible if the Suns want to rebuild....

Knicks Trade:Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Jerian Grant, two future 2nd round picks (via LAC) and $3 million cash
Knicks Recieve: Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight and Alex Ajinca

Suns Trade: Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight
Suns Recieve: Jrue Holiday, Jerian Grant, Tyreke Evans, cash, two future 2nd round picks (via LAC)

Pelicans Trade: Eric Gordon, Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans and Alexis Ajinca
Pelicans Receieve:: Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Brandon Jennnings and Jodie Meeks

Pistons Trade: Brandon Jennings and Jolie Meeks
Pistons Receieve: Eric Gordon

Come the offseason, I'd throw a quasi-max, light in years contract at Batum. It'd effectively make our rotation...

STARTERS
PG: Brandon Knight
SG: Eric Bledsoe
SF: Nicolas Batum
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Kristaps Porzingis

BENCH
G: Jimmer Fredette
G: Lance Stephenson
SF: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: Kyle O'Quinn

Well i love looking at that lineup and would be ecstatic if we had that team but we'd need to add another big center besides just O'Quinn.

I think we'd need another $4-$5 million in the deal to make it work, so O'Quinn would probably have to be included (probably the Pistons would be interested). Either way, I was hoping to play Alexis Ajinca in his role as the backup 5.

But I like that roster too, which is why I'd take the gamble on Eric Bledsoe being healthy and on Lance Stephenson. Their ability to be a one man fast break (rebound and push the ball down court) would help speed up the pace of our offense without actually having to fundamentally change anything about it. And their ability to drive and kick in a half court set, should get our shooters- especially Melo- easy shots. I could see us being the new Atlanta Hawks with that type of roster.

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I want to rebuild around Porzingis but since we seem focused on building with both he AND Melo, here goes....

Jose Calderon, Kevin Seraphin and Cleanthony "Captain Ahab" Early to the Clippers for Lance Stephenson, CJ Wilcox and two future unprotected second round picks. The benefits of the deal have been talked about ad nauseum so I won't rehash them again.

I'd also try to target the Suns' backcourt of Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight, which could be possible if the Suns want to rebuild....

Knicks Trade:Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Jerian Grant, two future 2nd round picks (via LAC) and $3 million cash
Knicks Recieve: Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight and Alex Ajinca

Suns Trade: Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight
Suns Recieve: Jrue Holiday, Jerian Grant, Tyreke Evans, cash, two future 2nd round picks (via LAC)

Pelicans Trade: Eric Gordon, Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans and Alexis Ajinca
Pelicans Receieve:: Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Brandon Jennnings and Jodie Meeks

Pistons Trade: Brandon Jennings and Jolie Meeks
Pistons Receieve: Eric Gordon

Wow you really have a lot of moving parts to this trade. Why would we want to trade for Bledsoe when he's injured and out for the year though and he stays injured? I like what you're thinking but in a trade like that with so many players involved i have to think we could come away with players that aren't always injured.

Yeah, there really are quite a number of moving parts but that's to be expected. Three of the four teams would make it on the basis of changing the trajectory of their team: (1) The Knicks would be attempting to win-now(ish), (2) the Suns would go into full blown rebuild mode and (3) the Pelicans would forego a sizeable portion of their cap space next year to have a bird in hand. That kind of change demands a bigger trade.

And I get your reservations about Eric Bledsoe's health. It seems like every other season he misses a significant amount of time. Personally, I think he won't regain his old form following this most recent injury but then again, I'm no medical expert. I think even him at 80% of what he was, paired with Brandon Knight could make us competitive against any team. So we might as well roll the dice and hope he is healthy during the playoffs next season. Because the reality is that we won't have a comparably skilled player, at his price tag coming down the pipeline that can fit the triangle.

And there is the thing with the rumor that came out that Knight and Bledsoe don't get along with each other so that's never a good thing. I still like the type of players you have us adding though but just think we could find a better combination is all.

Losing will put teammates at one anothers' throats. Winning cures all ills. From a skills perspective, I'm not sure why both guys wouldn't work in the triangle. Bledsoe would be the (poor man's) Kobe to Knight's (rich man's) Derek Fisher. Bledsoe is more adept at getting to the basket and with Knight's history of playing off the ball and being a solid shooter, I don't see how they couldn't work for us.

nixluva wrote:Not in favor of drastic changes. I think they need to be careful to hand pick additions based on needs and fit. We'll see some moves next week I believe and most likely at guard. I like our forwards and Centers. They've started to really come along nicely.

There are some nice guard options in the D League right now.

Maybe Fredette??

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/source/report-new-york-knicks-interested-in-jimmer-fredette-12085398

newyorker4ever wrote:The list of free agent Guards both PG and SG in 2017 is unbelievable but i really don't wanna wait that long to get a legit PG on this team and by then we'll know what kind of player J.Grant will be.

Agreed. Would love to wait for Westbrook.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/source/nba-rumors-players-the-knicks-have-been-linked-to-12086508

I've always been one to hope my teams stay away from the players that have questionable personalities but i really want R.Rondo. I think he could do wonders for the Knicks and knowing that Melo wants him to come to the Knicks puts me a little more at ease with Rondo cause Melo obviously knows all the troubles Rondo has had on teams through the years but he still wants him. I'm not gonna be angry with the Knicks getting any of the rumored guards the Knicks are supposedly looking at cause they all can help but i'd be more than happy if we got one of B.Jennings, R.Rondo, J.Crawford and then also bringing up Jimmer as well. One of those three with Jimmer could turn the Knicks around quickly.

nyknickzingis wrote:At this point I don't think the Knicks can get a very good PG/SG before the offseason. I know that's what they need, help in the backcourt but I'd just trade for an upgrade anywhere.

The Dwight Howard trade report/rumor made sense to me. If we can go from Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon to Howard/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon, I think we improve in many areas. We improve on screen/roll play, we improve on drawing FT's and fouls. We improve defensively and on the glass. The only thing that Lopez does better than Howard is shoot free throws. It's like adding a 2nd legit all-star caliber player next to Melo. A trio of KP/Melo/Howard may not be great or win a title, but it'll push into the playoffs.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:At this point I don't think the Knicks can get a very good PG/SG before the offseason. I know that's what they need, help in the backcourt but I'd just trade for an upgrade anywhere.

The Dwight Howard trade report/rumor made sense to me. If we can go from Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon to Howard/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon, I think we improve in many areas. We improve on screen/roll play, we improve on drawing FT's and fouls. We improve defensively and on the glass. The only thing that Lopez does better than Howard is shoot free throws. It's like adding a 2nd legit all-star caliber player next to Melo. A trio of KP/Melo/Howard may not be great or win a title, but it'll push into the playoffs.

I understand what the guy brings on the court but the guy is a whiny little baby and when you bring a guy like that onto your team and he starts doing his whiny little baby stuff it kills the locker room and he's proven on every team he's been on that he will do it. What he brings on the basketball court i would love to have and if we could then add a legit point guard to D.Howard, KP6 and Melo we'd be a strong team.