nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This notion that the Triangle doesn't require a guard drive is a bit off. It's most certainly needed since the very first goal is to push the ball and look for early scoring opportunities!!! This is rule one! Cutting off the side Triangle is important. Dribble hand off in the Pinch Post 2 man game is huge. Give n Go and PnR to a lesser degree but many times in this offense the need for a guard to handle the ball and or drive after receiving the pass is there. Sure the PG isn't always ball dominant but when they do get the ball they still need the same penetration and finishing skills.

It really doesnt require it, not that it couldn't use a boost of it. I recall just a few games ago that Fisher even made mention that something like the pick and roll which he recognizes is an advantage doesnt want to use it as much, but rather "play the right way". We have a few players who want to operate in transition, but our offense is not that type, it's half court oriented featuring a jump shot, so in a way those players are neutered.

We dont push the ball and it isnt just because of Calderon, its the design of the offense. Any player with dribbling skills and court vision can push the tempo. Lopez stops near the three point line on every set because he knows thats where the ball will be delivered every trip down.

Thats by design.

BULL ISH!!! The offense isn't stopping this team from pushing the tempo! It's mostly a roster make up issue. There is LITERALLY no rule in the Triangle that ever prevents the team from pushing the ball. IT's in FACT quite the opposite!!!

Phil Jackson:

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

I hate to say this but you don't really seem to know exactly what the team is supposed to be doing! There is more than the half court aspect of the offense. It's mostly due to the players more than some limitation of the system. Just because we haven't been pushing the ball as much as we should doesn't mean that the offense is forcing a slower pace.

It's not ironic outside of Grant we dont have a natural player to run a break and push the tempo.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This notion that the Triangle doesn't require a guard drive is a bit off. It's most certainly needed since the very first goal is to push the ball and look for early scoring opportunities!!! This is rule one! Cutting off the side Triangle is important. Dribble hand off in the Pinch Post 2 man game is huge. Give n Go and PnR to a lesser degree but many times in this offense the need for a guard to handle the ball and or drive after receiving the pass is there. Sure the PG isn't always ball dominant but when they do get the ball they still need the same penetration and finishing skills.

It really doesnt require it, not that it couldn't use a boost of it. I recall just a few games ago that Fisher even made mention that something like the pick and roll which he recognizes is an advantage doesnt want to use it as much, but rather "play the right way". We have a few players who want to operate in transition, but our offense is not that type, it's half court oriented featuring a jump shot, so in a way those players are neutered.

We dont push the ball and it isnt just because of Calderon, its the design of the offense. Any player with dribbling skills and court vision can push the tempo. Lopez stops near the three point line on every set because he knows thats where the ball will be delivered every trip down.

Thats by design.

BULL ISH!!! The offense isn't stopping this team from pushing the tempo! It's mostly a roster make up issue. There is LITERALLY no rule in the Triangle that ever prevents the team from pushing the ball. IT's in FACT quite the opposite!!!

Phil Jackson:

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

I hate to say this but you don't really seem to know exactly what the team is supposed to be doing! There is more than the half court aspect of the offense. It's mostly due to the players more than some limitation of the system. Just because we haven't been pushing the ball as much as we should doesn't mean that the offense is forcing a slower pace.

Anyone who watches the game knows the offense is a huge reason why the team plays slow, relies on jumpers, and is dead last in fast break points. If it's mostly a roster makeup, then admit Phil is failing since he built the roster.

It's not ironic outside of Grant we dont have a natural player to run a break and push the tempo.

Regarding the Offense, you are making a huge assumption based on what you're seeing but you haven't addressed the cause rather than the symptoms. I just posted EXACTLY what the team is SUPPOSED to be doing and you still think it's the nature of the offense rather than the players. It's not like there isn't any history with this offense being run by different rosters. It's not the offense to play slow. Fisher doesn't want them to play slow either but at some point your players need to have the talent and inclination to excel at pushing the ball and attacking the basket.

Derek Fisher:

“We want guys to understand that it’s OK to go down and try to score as quickly as possible. We’re not running to set up an offense, we’re running to go score,” Knicks coach Derek Fisher said. “[This] hopefully just continues to free them from the idea that we have to run the offense a certain way as opposed to just taking what the defense gives you. We’re trying to make sure they understand that.”

As for the make up of the roster. This isn't Fantasy Basketball. It actually takes time to refine a roster. Phil is not a magician and you can't just magically put a team together PERFECTLY in one summer. Phil could only bring in players that were available to him and wanted to be here. He did actually add some players who can play fast but the transformation will take more time. He also had to actually see the team play in order to assess where it was in all aspects.

So adding more players who have the talent to push the ball effectively, Dribble Drive as well as attack the rim off cuts more effectively is something we should expect to see in the near future.

callmened wrote:is ANYONE listening to me? lol.

folks are talking about all these fancy highlights and hes young and stuff.

but IS HE HEALTHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

there must be a REASON why the sixers of all teams chose to have Ish "dont confuse me with Magic" smith over wroten. lol

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This notion that the Triangle doesn't require a guard drive is a bit off. It's most certainly needed since the very first goal is to push the ball and look for early scoring opportunities!!! This is rule one! Cutting off the side Triangle is important. Dribble hand off in the Pinch Post 2 man game is huge. Give n Go and PnR to a lesser degree but many times in this offense the need for a guard to handle the ball and or drive after receiving the pass is there. Sure the PG isn't always ball dominant but when they do get the ball they still need the same penetration and finishing skills.

It really doesnt require it, not that it couldn't use a boost of it. I recall just a few games ago that Fisher even made mention that something like the pick and roll which he recognizes is an advantage doesnt want to use it as much, but rather "play the right way". We have a few players who want to operate in transition, but our offense is not that type, it's half court oriented featuring a jump shot, so in a way those players are neutered.

We dont push the ball and it isnt just because of Calderon, its the design of the offense. Any player with dribbling skills and court vision can push the tempo. Lopez stops near the three point line on every set because he knows thats where the ball will be delivered every trip down.

Thats by design.

BULL ISH!!! The offense isn't stopping this team from pushing the tempo! It's mostly a roster make up issue. There is LITERALLY no rule in the Triangle that ever prevents the team from pushing the ball. IT's in FACT quite the opposite!!!

Phil Jackson:

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

I hate to say this but you don't really seem to know exactly what the team is supposed to be doing! There is more than the half court aspect of the offense. It's mostly due to the players more than some limitation of the system. Just because we haven't been pushing the ball as much as we should doesn't mean that the offense is forcing a slower pace.

Anyone who watches the game knows the offense is a huge reason why the team plays slow, relies on jumpers, and is dead last in fast break points. If it's mostly a roster makeup, then admit Phil is failing since he built the roster.

It's not ironic outside of Grant we dont have a natural player to run a break and push the tempo.

Regarding the Offense, you are making a huge assumption based on what you're seeing but you haven't addressed the cause rather than the symptoms. I just posted EXACTLY what the team is SUPPOSED to be doing and you still think it's the nature of the offense rather than the players. It's not like there isn't any history with this offense being run by different rosters. It's not the offense to play slow. Fisher doesn't want them to play slow either but at some point your players need to have the talent and inclination to excel at pushing the ball and attacking the basket.

Derek Fisher:

“We want guys to understand that it’s OK to go down and try to score as quickly as possible. We’re not running to set up an offense, we’re running to go score,” Knicks coach Derek Fisher said. “[This] hopefully just continues to free them from the idea that we have to run the offense a certain way as opposed to just taking what the defense gives you. We’re trying to make sure they understand that.”

As for the make up of the roster. This isn't Fantasy Basketball. It actually takes time to refine a roster. Phil is not a magician and you can't just magically put a team together PERFECTLY in one summer. Phil could only bring in players that were available to him and wanted to be here. He did actually add some players who can play fast but the transformation will take more time. He also had to actually see the team play in order to assess where it was in all aspects.

So adding more players who have the talent to push the ball effectively, Dribble Drive as well as attack the rim off cuts more effectively is something we should expect to see in the near future.

Action speaks louder than words. Fisher can say plenty in the media, he needs to say it on the sideline. As far as the roster goes, of course it takes time, but dont pretend he didnt purposely build it this way. it's by design and the lack of a full time penetrating point is by design. I've already acknowledged we have players who can push the pace, Derrick Williams does it with no plays ran. He cant do it alone though. Thats by design.

INTENT is not a guarantee of execution. Fisher doesn't want the team to play slow. That's not the same thing as saying he wants a pure running team either. They have a half court offense but it's not ONLY a half court offense. People seem to have a problem with understanding that it's a BALANCED offense in that it's neither slow nor fast. The idea is to look to push the ball and probe the defense for early scores and then if there isn't anything there you can setup the half court offense, but still should be playing at a good pace. That doesn't mean that the players will be able to execute these things at the level we need them too. It takes time and these players are getting gradually better, but we still need roster upgrades too.

Phil wasn't trying to build a speed ball roster. He was trying to build a balanced roster and achieving perfect balance is still a process. We're looking at an incomplete build. Why assume that this is the perfect representation of what Phil wants of this roster? When did he ever suggest that he was done and that this was a perfect roster for how he wants the team to play? Seems to me that he only said this was a start to the process.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This notion that the Triangle doesn't require a guard drive is a bit off. It's most certainly needed since the very first goal is to push the ball and look for early scoring opportunities!!! This is rule one! Cutting off the side Triangle is important. Dribble hand off in the Pinch Post 2 man game is huge. Give n Go and PnR to a lesser degree but many times in this offense the need for a guard to handle the ball and or drive after receiving the pass is there. Sure the PG isn't always ball dominant but when they do get the ball they still need the same penetration and finishing skills.

It really doesnt require it, not that it couldn't use a boost of it. I recall just a few games ago that Fisher even made mention that something like the pick and roll which he recognizes is an advantage doesnt want to use it as much, but rather "play the right way". We have a few players who want to operate in transition, but our offense is not that type, it's half court oriented featuring a jump shot, so in a way those players are neutered.

We dont push the ball and it isnt just because of Calderon, its the design of the offense. Any player with dribbling skills and court vision can push the tempo. Lopez stops near the three point line on every set because he knows thats where the ball will be delivered every trip down.

Thats by design.

BULL ISH!!! The offense isn't stopping this team from pushing the tempo! It's mostly a roster make up issue. There is LITERALLY no rule in the Triangle that ever prevents the team from pushing the ball. IT's in FACT quite the opposite!!!

Phil Jackson:

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

I hate to say this but you don't really seem to know exactly what the team is supposed to be doing! There is more than the half court aspect of the offense. It's mostly due to the players more than some limitation of the system. Just because we haven't been pushing the ball as much as we should doesn't mean that the offense is forcing a slower pace.

Anyone who watches the game knows the offense is a huge reason why the team plays slow, relies on jumpers, and is dead last in fast break points. If it's mostly a roster makeup, then admit Phil is failing since he built the roster.

It's not ironic outside of Grant we dont have a natural player to run a break and push the tempo.

Regarding the Offense, you are making a huge assumption based on what you're seeing but you haven't addressed the cause rather than the symptoms. I just posted EXACTLY what the team is SUPPOSED to be doing and you still think it's the nature of the offense rather than the players. It's not like there isn't any history with this offense being run by different rosters. It's not the offense to play slow. Fisher doesn't want them to play slow either but at some point your players need to have the talent and inclination to excel at pushing the ball and attacking the basket.

Derek Fisher:

“We want guys to understand that it’s OK to go down and try to score as quickly as possible. We’re not running to set up an offense, we’re running to go score,” Knicks coach Derek Fisher said. “[This] hopefully just continues to free them from the idea that we have to run the offense a certain way as opposed to just taking what the defense gives you. We’re trying to make sure they understand that.”

As for the make up of the roster. This isn't Fantasy Basketball. It actually takes time to refine a roster. Phil is not a magician and you can't just magically put a team together PERFECTLY in one summer. Phil could only bring in players that were available to him and wanted to be here. He did actually add some players who can play fast but the transformation will take more time. He also had to actually see the team play in order to assess where it was in all aspects.

So adding more players who have the talent to push the ball effectively, Dribble Drive as well as attack the rim off cuts more effectively is something we should expect to see in the near future.

Action speaks louder than words. Fisher can say plenty in the media, he needs to say it on the sideline. As far as the roster goes, of course it takes time, but dont pretend he didnt purposely build it this way. it's by design and the lack of a full time penetrating point is by design. I've already acknowledged we have players who can push the pace, Derrick Williams does it with no plays ran. He cant do it alone though. Thats by design.

INTENT is not a guarantee of execution. Fisher doesn't want the team to play slow. That's not the same thing as saying he wants a pure running team either. They have a half court offense but it's not ONLY a half court offense. People seem to have a problem with understanding that it's a BALANCED offense in that it's neither slow nor fast. The idea is to look to push the ball and probe the defense for early scores and then if there isn't anything there you can setup the half court offense, but still should be playing at a good pace. That doesn't mean that the players will be able to execute these things at the level we need them too. It takes time and these players are getting gradually better, but we still need roster upgrades too.

Phil wasn't trying to build a speed ball roster. He was trying to build a balanced roster and achieving perfect balance is still a process. We're looking at an incomplete build. Why assume that this is the perfect representation of what Phil wants of this roster? When did he ever suggest that he was done and that this was a perfect roster for how he wants the team to play? Seems to me that he only said this was a start to the process.

Phil built the slowest team possible, and one with players who like to take mid range shots. if he wanted balance he wouldnt have loaded up the front court and would have made sure we'd have a few guards who can push the pace instead of trading for claderon who has several years left. No, he isnt "done", thats obvious. But you certainly can look at whats currently here and have a glimpse of his vision.

You have to start somewhere and it seems that you don't quite understand this concept. Once again you have to look at what was available to Phil and what his priorities were. You are talking like Phil was playing in a Fantasy league and could just grab exactly who he wanted. Running wasn't the priority over defense and the ability to run the offense in the half court. He wasn't trying to build the fastest roster in the NBA. He wanted to improve the defense most of all and he did that!!! Now he can continue the process and improve the team's guard situation.

We all know the deal with Jose and if you can show me a GM that has never had a move not work out then sure it's fine to pick at Phil for that. It happens to ALL GM's. I'm not here to suggest that Phil is perfect! That still doesn't mean he isn't trying to build a team that can function in a full court sense as well as half court. He still has the goal of building a balanced roster.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This notion that the Triangle doesn't require a guard drive is a bit off. It's most certainly needed since the very first goal is to push the ball and look for early scoring opportunities!!! This is rule one! Cutting off the side Triangle is important. Dribble hand off in the Pinch Post 2 man game is huge. Give n Go and PnR to a lesser degree but many times in this offense the need for a guard to handle the ball and or drive after receiving the pass is there. Sure the PG isn't always ball dominant but when they do get the ball they still need the same penetration and finishing skills.

It really doesnt require it, not that it couldn't use a boost of it. I recall just a few games ago that Fisher even made mention that something like the pick and roll which he recognizes is an advantage doesnt want to use it as much, but rather "play the right way". We have a few players who want to operate in transition, but our offense is not that type, it's half court oriented featuring a jump shot, so in a way those players are neutered.

We dont push the ball and it isnt just because of Calderon, its the design of the offense. Any player with dribbling skills and court vision can push the tempo. Lopez stops near the three point line on every set because he knows thats where the ball will be delivered every trip down.

Thats by design.

BULL ISH!!! The offense isn't stopping this team from pushing the tempo! It's mostly a roster make up issue. There is LITERALLY no rule in the Triangle that ever prevents the team from pushing the ball. IT's in FACT quite the opposite!!!

Phil Jackson:

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

I hate to say this but you don't really seem to know exactly what the team is supposed to be doing! There is more than the half court aspect of the offense. It's mostly due to the players more than some limitation of the system. Just because we haven't been pushing the ball as much as we should doesn't mean that the offense is forcing a slower pace.

Anyone who watches the game knows the offense is a huge reason why the team plays slow, relies on jumpers, and is dead last in fast break points. If it's mostly a roster makeup, then admit Phil is failing since he built the roster.

It's not ironic outside of Grant we dont have a natural player to run a break and push the tempo.

Regarding the Offense, you are making a huge assumption based on what you're seeing but you haven't addressed the cause rather than the symptoms. I just posted EXACTLY what the team is SUPPOSED to be doing and you still think it's the nature of the offense rather than the players. It's not like there isn't any history with this offense being run by different rosters. It's not the offense to play slow. Fisher doesn't want them to play slow either but at some point your players need to have the talent and inclination to excel at pushing the ball and attacking the basket.

Derek Fisher:

“We want guys to understand that it’s OK to go down and try to score as quickly as possible. We’re not running to set up an offense, we’re running to go score,” Knicks coach Derek Fisher said. “[This] hopefully just continues to free them from the idea that we have to run the offense a certain way as opposed to just taking what the defense gives you. We’re trying to make sure they understand that.”

As for the make up of the roster. This isn't Fantasy Basketball. It actually takes time to refine a roster. Phil is not a magician and you can't just magically put a team together PERFECTLY in one summer. Phil could only bring in players that were available to him and wanted to be here. He did actually add some players who can play fast but the transformation will take more time. He also had to actually see the team play in order to assess where it was in all aspects.

So adding more players who have the talent to push the ball effectively, Dribble Drive as well as attack the rim off cuts more effectively is something we should expect to see in the near future.

Action speaks louder than words. Fisher can say plenty in the media, he needs to say it on the sideline. As far as the roster goes, of course it takes time, but dont pretend he didnt purposely build it this way. it's by design and the lack of a full time penetrating point is by design. I've already acknowledged we have players who can push the pace, Derrick Williams does it with no plays ran. He cant do it alone though. Thats by design.

INTENT is not a guarantee of execution. Fisher doesn't want the team to play slow. That's not the same thing as saying he wants a pure running team either. They have a half court offense but it's not ONLY a half court offense. People seem to have a problem with understanding that it's a BALANCED offense in that it's neither slow nor fast. The idea is to look to push the ball and probe the defense for early scores and then if there isn't anything there you can setup the half court offense, but still should be playing at a good pace. That doesn't mean that the players will be able to execute these things at the level we need them too. It takes time and these players are getting gradually better, but we still need roster upgrades too.

Phil wasn't trying to build a speed ball roster. He was trying to build a balanced roster and achieving perfect balance is still a process. We're looking at an incomplete build. Why assume that this is the perfect representation of what Phil wants of this roster? When did he ever suggest that he was done and that this was a perfect roster for how he wants the team to play? Seems to me that he only said this was a start to the process.

Phil built the slowest team possible, and one with players who like to take mid range shots. if he wanted balance he wouldnt have loaded up the front court and would have made sure we'd have a few guards who can push the pace instead of trading for claderon who has several years left. No, he isnt "done", thats obvious. But you certainly can look at whats currently here and have a glimpse of his vision.

You have to start somewhere and it seems that you don't quite understand this concept. Once again you have to look at what was available to Phil and what his priorities were. You are talking like Phil was playing in a Fantasy league and could just grab exactly who he wanted. Running wasn't the priority over defense and the ability to run the offense in the half court. He wasn't trying to build the fastest roster in the NBA. He wanted to improve the defense most of all and he did that!!! Now he can continue the process and improve the team's guard situation.

We all know the deal with Jose and if you can show me a GM that has never had a move not work out then sure it's fine to pick at Phil for that. It happens to ALL GM's. I'm not here to suggest that Phil is perfect! That still doesn't mean he isn't trying to build a team that can function in a full court sense as well as half court. He still has the goal of building a balanced roster.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This notion that the Triangle doesn't require a guard drive is a bit off. It's most certainly needed since the very first goal is to push the ball and look for early scoring opportunities!!! This is rule one! Cutting off the side Triangle is important. Dribble hand off in the Pinch Post 2 man game is huge. Give n Go and PnR to a lesser degree but many times in this offense the need for a guard to handle the ball and or drive after receiving the pass is there. Sure the PG isn't always ball dominant but when they do get the ball they still need the same penetration and finishing skills.

It really doesnt require it, not that it couldn't use a boost of it. I recall just a few games ago that Fisher even made mention that something like the pick and roll which he recognizes is an advantage doesnt want to use it as much, but rather "play the right way". We have a few players who want to operate in transition, but our offense is not that type, it's half court oriented featuring a jump shot, so in a way those players are neutered.

We dont push the ball and it isnt just because of Calderon, its the design of the offense. Any player with dribbling skills and court vision can push the tempo. Lopez stops near the three point line on every set because he knows thats where the ball will be delivered every trip down.

Thats by design.

BULL ISH!!! The offense isn't stopping this team from pushing the tempo! It's mostly a roster make up issue. There is LITERALLY no rule in the Triangle that ever prevents the team from pushing the ball. IT's in FACT quite the opposite!!!

Phil Jackson:

1. Penetration. Players must penetrate the defense, and the best way to do this is the fast break, because basketball is a full-court game, from baseline to baseline.

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

I hate to say this but you don't really seem to know exactly what the team is supposed to be doing! There is more than the half court aspect of the offense. It's mostly due to the players more than some limitation of the system. Just because we haven't been pushing the ball as much as we should doesn't mean that the offense is forcing a slower pace.

Anyone who watches the game knows the offense is a huge reason why the team plays slow, relies on jumpers, and is dead last in fast break points. If it's mostly a roster makeup, then admit Phil is failing since he built the roster.

It's not ironic outside of Grant we dont have a natural player to run a break and push the tempo.

Regarding the Offense, you are making a huge assumption based on what you're seeing but you haven't addressed the cause rather than the symptoms. I just posted EXACTLY what the team is SUPPOSED to be doing and you still think it's the nature of the offense rather than the players. It's not like there isn't any history with this offense being run by different rosters. It's not the offense to play slow. Fisher doesn't want them to play slow either but at some point your players need to have the talent and inclination to excel at pushing the ball and attacking the basket.

Derek Fisher:

“We want guys to understand that it’s OK to go down and try to score as quickly as possible. We’re not running to set up an offense, we’re running to go score,” Knicks coach Derek Fisher said. “[This] hopefully just continues to free them from the idea that we have to run the offense a certain way as opposed to just taking what the defense gives you. We’re trying to make sure they understand that.”

As for the make up of the roster. This isn't Fantasy Basketball. It actually takes time to refine a roster. Phil is not a magician and you can't just magically put a team together PERFECTLY in one summer. Phil could only bring in players that were available to him and wanted to be here. He did actually add some players who can play fast but the transformation will take more time. He also had to actually see the team play in order to assess where it was in all aspects.

So adding more players who have the talent to push the ball effectively, Dribble Drive as well as attack the rim off cuts more effectively is something we should expect to see in the near future.

Action speaks louder than words. Fisher can say plenty in the media, he needs to say it on the sideline. As far as the roster goes, of course it takes time, but dont pretend he didnt purposely build it this way. it's by design and the lack of a full time penetrating point is by design. I've already acknowledged we have players who can push the pace, Derrick Williams does it with no plays ran. He cant do it alone though. Thats by design.

INTENT is not a guarantee of execution. Fisher doesn't want the team to play slow. That's not the same thing as saying he wants a pure running team either. They have a half court offense but it's not ONLY a half court offense. People seem to have a problem with understanding that it's a BALANCED offense in that it's neither slow nor fast. The idea is to look to push the ball and probe the defense for early scores and then if there isn't anything there you can setup the half court offense, but still should be playing at a good pace. That doesn't mean that the players will be able to execute these things at the level we need them too. It takes time and these players are getting gradually better, but we still need roster upgrades too.

Phil wasn't trying to build a speed ball roster. He was trying to build a balanced roster and achieving perfect balance is still a process. We're looking at an incomplete build. Why assume that this is the perfect representation of what Phil wants of this roster? When did he ever suggest that he was done and that this was a perfect roster for how he wants the team to play? Seems to me that he only said this was a start to the process.

Phil built the slowest team possible, and one with players who like to take mid range shots. if he wanted balance he wouldnt have loaded up the front court and would have made sure we'd have a few guards who can push the pace instead of trading for claderon who has several years left. No, he isnt "done", thats obvious. But you certainly can look at whats currently here and have a glimpse of his vision.

You have to start somewhere and it seems that you don't quite understand this concept. Once again you have to look at what was available to Phil and what his priorities were. You are talking like Phil was playing in a Fantasy league and could just grab exactly who he wanted. Running wasn't the priority over defense and the ability to run the offense in the half court. He wasn't trying to build the fastest roster in the NBA. He wanted to improve the defense most of all and he did that!!! Now he can continue the process and improve the team's guard situation.

We all know the deal with Jose and if you can show me a GM that has never had a move not work out then sure it's fine to pick at Phil for that. It happens to ALL GM's. I'm not here to suggest that Phil is perfect! That still doesn't mean he isn't trying to build a team that can function in a full court sense as well as half court. He still has the goal of building a balanced roster.

You're making a ton of excuses. It's ok. Perhaps Phil can build a playoff team after he's gone.

Comments like this show a lack of perspective. This is just the beginning of a process and you talk like there's been no progress and as if you have no understanding of what Phil is doing and how hard it is to actually build s team. Others with far more resources and time haven't succeeded. This team is making progress but since it isn't immediate fans can't take it.

The only reason why this looks like progress is because we're comparing it to the 17 win season, but thats not how it works.

Phil inherited a team that won 37 games despite having a starting center returning from a broken leg. Previous to his arrival he called the group that wound up winning 54 games "clumsy". Phil was an excellent coach, but his GM'ing has not panned out so far.

He drafted KP, but thats really all he's done. You praised the Calderon trade, when I told you he was no good. Sure he got injured, that bought him some time in your eyes. He still wound up being no good. Robin Lopez is not good for the salary and contract length either. This team doesnt have flexibility to even offer a top free agent a contract next summer, but phil signed some bad ones.

The irony is all of Phil long term deals are questionable signings, to a degree even Melo. This team wont see the playoffs no time soon, without a major overhaul. They arent just a pg away. They got alot of work to do to catch up to the pile ahead, and this will be Phil's 3rd offseason coming up watching the Garden closing early in April.

CrushAlot wrote:Reading the Sixers forum on Philly.com about Tony. A few posters are saying he was released because he wouldn't sign an extension with the team and is set to become a free agent at the end of the season.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Reading the Sixers forum on Philly.com about Tony. A few posters are saying he was released because he wouldn't sign an extension with the team and is set to become a free agent at the end of the season.

Makes sense as he was injured. Sixers did the right thing, never even offered him the QO as an RFA either.

He was on a dirt cheap contact too. You also have to consider they have too many punt guards as is... Ish Smith is a good player finally making it count, but he was on the 76ers before. It's odd they would just waive him though. When michael carter williams for hurt Wroten was prong up some monster games for them.

Anyway this guy is a free agent now. 10 day contracts season is coming so I expect this guy to be signed on the first day.