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ChuckBuck
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11/22/2015  1:23 AM
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.

Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.

It's time.

ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.

After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.

He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.

Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…

Point made.

tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.

No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.

You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…

You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.

Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.

that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.

every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.

I am a jilted fan what can I say.

Not all this.

You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.

Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.

I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff

I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.

Right, because that'll help.

help? How are you helping?

I'm not.

I'm having an exchange with someone I can communicate with directly.

You're "riding Melo" from afar and he'll never hear it. Hence, the inability to get past it.

True. We should all stop praising him too.

I am looking for group therapy to deal with my dissapointment

For all the work Melo's put into the off-season, he's been terribly disappointing this season so far. 2 or 3 maybe "vintage" Melo performances. Mostly mediocre.

Thankfully KP's been picking up the slack. I'm ecstatic as we all should be! !!!!!

AUTOADVERT
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11/22/2015  6:25 AM
mreinman wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.

Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.

It's time.

ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.

After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.

He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.

I been saying in almost thread.

Robin Melo is the key to this season. KP will eventually take the reins of the offense the same way he's already the key to the defense.

Melo has to take 10 smart shots a game, play D, and dish like he did in Charlotte.

Also he should tell Fisher to sit back end of back to backs. No legs.

if melo dished then he would not be triple teamed every play and it would open his game. Don't care how many shots he takes as long as they are good ones.


Yeah, and I complimented his assist turnover improvement. Then in the last two games he has 1 assist and 6 turnovers! Ugh.
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11/22/2015  7:26 AM
Something happened Saturday that has only occurred twice in the past 12 months: Carmelo Anthony played 25 minutes and took fewer than 11 shots. Only twice in his past 42 games has Anthony played at least 25 minutes and taken 10 or fewer shots.

On Saturday, Anthony was hampered by foul trouble. He finished with 14 points on 5-for-10 shooting. But don't let the low point total fool you. When he was on the floor, Anthony occupied defenders well and served as a decoy of sorts for the Knicks. He didn’t force many shots or overdribble -- two sins he has committed in the past.

New York outscored Houston by seven in Anthony’s 25 minutes. He was also active late in the game. He hit a 3-point shot with 2:17 to play to break a 95-95 tie and scored on a strong post move with :39 seconds to put New York up by three. (His basket with :39 seconds to go was on a goaltend.)

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11/22/2015  7:38 AM
babyKnicks wrote:Something happened Saturday that has only occurred twice in the past 12 months: Carmelo Anthony played 25 minutes and took fewer than 11 shots. Only twice in his past 42 games has Anthony played at least 25 minutes and taken 10 or fewer shots.

On Saturday, Anthony was hampered by foul trouble. He finished with 14 points on 5-for-10 shooting. But don't let the low point total fool you. When he was on the floor, Anthony occupied defenders well and served as a decoy of sorts for the Knicks. He didn’t force many shots or overdribble -- two sins he has committed in the past.

New York outscored Houston by seven in Anthony’s 25 minutes. He was also active late in the game. He hit a 3-point shot with 2:17 to play to break a 95-95 tie and scored on a strong post move with :39 seconds to put New York up by three. (His basket with :39 seconds to go was on a goaltend.)

Porzingis had the monster night. Especially the 7 blocks to go along with yet another double double
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11/22/2015  8:07 AM
crzymdups wrote:...who can each carry this team on a given night.

Last four games:

Win vs the Pelicans - Melo 29pts 13rebs

Win vs the Hornets - KP 29pts 11rebs

Win vs the Thunder - Melo 25pts 5reb

Win vs the Rockets - KP 24pts 14reb 7blks

WE HAVE TWO STARS.

No need to pick one or the other - it's wonderful to have two stars.

Fisher and the rest of the team are playing great, too. Afflalo adds a new dimension on offense. I like this team a whole heck of a lot.

They still need better Guards, Galloway, Grant, Afflao are rotation players but they add someone like Batum in the offseason to start at the 2 and play the 3 when Melo goes to the bench or get a PG like Conley this team will be a top 4 East team

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11/22/2015  8:28 AM
Irish and Chuck derailing the point of the thread to trash Melo. They both wear Knick uni's, im happy we have both them.
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11/22/2015  8:43 AM
crzymdups wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I think KP is the better all around player. Kid can excel on both ends of the floor which is rare.

I think he is, too.

But not my point.

Last night KP had 7pts 6rebs and struggled against Ibaka (who is a great defender)... Melo was there to score 25pts. Tonight Melo was tired and plagued by foul trouble. KP was there to score 24pts and dominate on D.

It's nice to have the balance of two stars is my point.

Well said and great thread. KP is ridiculous already. I never miss a game but this year I am re-watching them.

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11/22/2015  8:44 AM
Uptown wrote:Irish and Chuck derailing the point of the thread to trash Melo. They both wear Knick uni's, im happy we have both them.

This. When people have an agenda on this board it seems they never let it go. The Knicks have won 4 in a row and are 5-2 on the road. Both players (KP & Melo) must be doing something correctly as it's a Team Game. I've watched every minute of every game. KP can be a monster, but there is still much polish needed in his game. He's a rookie and still makes some blaring rookie mistakes. He's 20 years old, let him share the pressure load with Melo and others for now.

I also think Afflalo has made a nice positive impact on this team.

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11/22/2015  8:46 AM
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mreinman wrote:
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babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.

Try to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b

Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.

Go Knicks. Boo haters.

melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simple

He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.

14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.

There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.

14/6/0/3

I'll take it.

its ok to have nights like this sometimes but not too often if you are the super super star. He needs to constantly create shots for his teammates. He does not understand that this is a priority.

what kind of super star at his level never has a 10 assist game? None.

I wish barkley could show him a few things.

Me and you have had this discussion about Melo before. You dont like that Melo aint the player you want him to be. He is not a facilitator; he's a scorer. Has been since HS. @ 31, he's is not all of a sudden going to turn into LeBron, or Wade, or Harden...He's more Iceman, Alex English, Bernard King...Once we accept that, perhaps we will stop putting unrealistic expectations on him. GM's get paid millions to compliment certain skill sets with the right players.

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11/22/2015  8:47 AM
Before the draft it was talked about replicating the Celtics original big three worst to first championship run. Early, but kp has Garnett like tendencies. Melo obviously pierce. Are there other similar pieces? Loving affallo and what he brings. For sure Melo and kp are batman and robin.
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11/22/2015  8:53 AM
I agree its really good to have 2 guys who can take over at any given game
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11/22/2015  8:56 AM
foosballnick wrote:
Uptown wrote:Irish and Chuck derailing the point of the thread to trash Melo. They both wear Knick uni's, im happy we have both them.

This. When people have an agenda on this board it seems they never let it go. The Knicks have won 4 in a row and are 5-2 on the road. Both players (KP & Melo) must be doing something correctly as it's a Team Game. I've watched every minute of every game. KP can be a monster, but there is still much polish needed in his game. He's a rookie and still makes some blaring rookie mistakes. He's 20 years old, let him share the pressure load with Melo and others for now.

I also think Afflalo has made a nice positive impact on this team.

This.
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11/22/2015  8:58 AM
I gotta give props to melo. Outside of last night he has done a better job with moving the ball. I still feel KP is our best player but if melo can continue to buy in than we should win a lot of games
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11/22/2015  9:12 AM
bigbasketballs wrote:Four in a row, two straight on road, 8-6, undeniable defense and some of you guys are spending the glow of the post game on knocking Melo.

Look in the mirror fellas, look in the mirror.

Good luck with that.

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11/22/2015  9:23 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I think KP is the better all around player. Kid can excel on both ends of the floor which is rare.

If Melo doesn't break out of his shooting woes then it will be close like it is now. I just like the fact that they are both doing well on both sides of the ball.

Melo is holding players 14.5% below their avg. I think players are shooting somewhere in the 35-39% range against him.

KP is like Walt says up and down on both sides but he seems to never play back to back bad games.

Great post. Where did you find that stat?

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11/22/2015  9:25 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I think KP is the better all around player. Kid can excel on both ends of the floor which is rare.

If Melo doesn't break out of his shooting woes then it will be close like it is now. I just like the fact that they are both doing well on both sides of the ball.

Melo is holding players 14.5% below their avg. I think players are shooting somewhere in the 35-39% range against him.

KP is like Walt says up and down on both sides but he seems to never play back to back bad games.

Great post. Where did you find that stat?

you can find those stats oh espn and a few nba reference sites
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11/22/2015  9:26 AM
crzymdups wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:Four in a row, two straight on road, 8-6, undeniable defense and some of you guys are spending the glow of the post game on knocking Melo.

Look in the mirror fellas, look in the mirror.

Yep.

What some of the bozos around here don't understand is that each will make the other better.

This is a team.


Agree with both posts.
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11/22/2015  9:27 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:Four in a row, two straight on road, 8-6, undeniable defense and some of you guys are spending the glow of the post game on knocking Melo.

Look in the mirror fellas, look in the mirror.

Yep.

What some of the bozos around here don't understand is that each will make the other better.

This is a team.


Agree with both posts.
me too. No need to bash anyone, both are doing well
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11/22/2015  9:45 AM
bigbasketballs wrote:
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babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.

Try to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b

Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.

Go Knicks. Boo haters.

melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simple

He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.

14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.

There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.


It was a tough summer for that third category of posters. A lot if really good posters have left the board because of all the bashing. Hopefully they start to come back.
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11/22/2015  9:47 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.

Try to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b

Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.

Go Knicks. Boo haters.

melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simple

He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.

14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.

There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.


It was a tough summer for that third category of posters. A lot if really good posters have left the board because of all the bashing. Hopefully they start to come back.
we have good posters on this board. I dont think its as bad as you make it out to be
We have two very very very good players

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