ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:melo being traded to chicago is not as far fetched as many of you believe.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe Melo just wants to be in NY no matter what?

thats an assumption not a fact. I think melo like everyone else wants to win. He ain't winning here.

Everyone doesn't just want to win.

Gasol stayed in Memphis because he likes living in and playing for Memphis. LOTS of prime professional athletes have stayed or gone to a destination NOT because it gave them the best chance to win.

Melo signed in NY 16 months ago when it was perfectly obvious Chicago and Houston were better "win" options.

His actions suggest he just wants to be in NY.

Wrong. Chicago and Houston didn't have the dough. $124m is why he resigned.

He made his bed and now he's laying in it. My whole "schtick" is how we can get out of the money pit with value, either picks, role players, or expiring for cap room.

Just logic.

No, your whole schtick is rehashing the sam topic daily for no good reason.

IF Melo decides he's willing to forgo his NTC clause and it becomes a relevant topic as to whether the Knicks should find a deal and pull the trigger that's one matter.

But until that day comes, whether or not the Knicks SHOULD do it and whether or not other fans agree the Knicks should do it is superfluous.

Melo hold 100% of the power. MAYBE a relevant topic to revisit every day is reason why Melo should waive his NTC. That has least as a foothold in relevancy. But you don't seem aware of that fact.

No joke, I'm counting the days...

Not because I hate Melo, but I want the Knicks to be in an even better position to compete for a Championship.

Not sure what you guys are hoping for with Melo in these next 4 rapidly declining years.

I'm hoping this current team can be come a winning ballclub in a couple months time with a healthy Melo, rapidly developing rookies, effective role players, good coaching, health and luck, personally. Get to the playoffs this year, make some noise there, and then see what's going on. Crazy idea, I know.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:melo being traded to chicago is not as far fetched as many of you believe.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe Melo just wants to be in NY no matter what?

thats an assumption not a fact. I think melo like everyone else wants to win. He ain't winning here.

Everyone doesn't just want to win.

Gasol stayed in Memphis because he likes living in and playing for Memphis. LOTS of prime professional athletes have stayed or gone to a destination NOT because it gave them the best chance to win.

Melo signed in NY 16 months ago when it was perfectly obvious Chicago and Houston were better "win" options.

His actions suggest he just wants to be in NY.

Wrong. Chicago and Houston didn't have the dough. $124m is why he resigned.

He made his bed and now he's laying in it. My whole "schtick" is how we can get out of the money pit with value, either picks, role players, or expiring for cap room.

Just logic.

Dude, your entire argument has been the furthest thing from logic, no offense.

Really? Which major free agent is going to sign with the Knicks for $19m this summer?

In 2017, Curry, Conley, Griffin, Westbrook are free agents and you wouldn't want to have a chance at least? Who wouldn't want to play with an up and coming unselfish player like Porzingis.

In 2017 we will have the cap space to sign one of those guys with both Melo and Porzingis here. We will have a chance at them regardless. That is one of the many things you seem to be missing. in 2016, we may not have the cap space with Melo, i agree, but then again, which max guy are you targeting. Seems like 2017 is a better opportunity.

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:melo being traded to chicago is not as far fetched as many of you believe.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe Melo just wants to be in NY no matter what?

thats an assumption not a fact. I think melo like everyone else wants to win. He ain't winning here.

Everyone doesn't just want to win.

Gasol stayed in Memphis because he likes living in and playing for Memphis. LOTS of prime professional athletes have stayed or gone to a destination NOT because it gave them the best chance to win.

Melo signed in NY 16 months ago when it was perfectly obvious Chicago and Houston were better "win" options.

His actions suggest he just wants to be in NY.

Wrong. Chicago and Houston didn't have the dough. $124m is why he resigned.

He made his bed and now he's laying in it. My whole "schtick" is how we can get out of the money pit with value, either picks, role players, or expiring for cap room.

Just logic.

No, your whole schtick is rehashing the sam topic daily for no good reason.

IF Melo decides he's willing to forgo his NTC clause and it becomes a relevant topic as to whether the Knicks should find a deal and pull the trigger that's one matter.

But until that day comes, whether or not the Knicks SHOULD do it and whether or not other fans agree the Knicks should do it is superfluous.

Melo hold 100% of the power. MAYBE a relevant topic to revisit every day is reason why Melo should waive his NTC. That has least as a foothold in relevancy. But you don't seem aware of that fact.

No joke, I'm counting the days...

Not because I hate Melo, but I want the Knicks to be in an even better position to compete for a Championship.

Not sure what you guys are hoping for with Melo in these next 4 rapidly declining years.

I will tell you. I am hoping for a player who will hand over the keys to Porzingis WHEN he is ready, and take a secondary role, something he has said before he is willing to take. But until then, i want him to just be Melo. I don't think Porzingis is ready to be the man yet, i think in a year or 2 he might be.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:melo being traded to chicago is not as far fetched as many of you believe.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe Melo just wants to be in NY no matter what?

thats an assumption not a fact. I think melo like everyone else wants to win. He ain't winning here.

Everyone doesn't just want to win.

Gasol stayed in Memphis because he likes living in and playing for Memphis. LOTS of prime professional athletes have stayed or gone to a destination NOT because it gave them the best chance to win.

Melo signed in NY 16 months ago when it was perfectly obvious Chicago and Houston were better "win" options.

His actions suggest he just wants to be in NY.

Wrong. Chicago and Houston didn't have the dough. $124m is why he resigned.

He made his bed and now he's laying in it. My whole "schtick" is how we can get out of the money pit with value, either picks, role players, or expiring for cap room.

Just logic.

Dude, your entire argument has been the furthest thing from logic, no offense.

Really? Which major free agent is going to sign with the Knicks for $19m this summer?

In 2017, Curry, Conley, Griffin, Westbrook are free agents and you wouldn't want to have a chance at least? Who wouldn't want to play with an up and coming unselfish player like Porzingis.

In 2017 we will have the cap space to sign one of those guys with both Melo and Porzingis here. We will have a chance at them regardless. That is one of the many things you seem to be missing. in 2016, we may not have the cap space with Melo, i agree, but then again, which max guy are you targeting. Seems like 2017 is a better opportunity.

Yea, and if this team can gel, we get the stash Spanish player in the lineup... continue some success... I just don't see the point of burning down the house if we don't have an insurance policy. All we need is an extended period of injury to post-Melo Centerpiece KP (BBGods Forbid!) and we are flailing in the wilderness for another how many years?

Did Chad Ford say anything of worth? Or was this just some comments-bait for Insider subscribers and ESPN bloviators?

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:melo being traded to chicago is not as far fetched as many of you believe.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe Melo just wants to be in NY no matter what?

thats an assumption not a fact. I think melo like everyone else wants to win. He ain't winning here.

Everyone doesn't just want to win.

Gasol stayed in Memphis because he likes living in and playing for Memphis. LOTS of prime professional athletes have stayed or gone to a destination NOT because it gave them the best chance to win.

Melo signed in NY 16 months ago when it was perfectly obvious Chicago and Houston were better "win" options.

His actions suggest he just wants to be in NY.

Wrong. Chicago and Houston didn't have the dough. $124m is why he resigned.

He made his bed and now he's laying in it. My whole "schtick" is how we can get out of the money pit with value, either picks, role players, or expiring for cap room.

Just logic.

No, your whole schtick is rehashing the sam topic daily for no good reason.

IF Melo decides he's willing to forgo his NTC clause and it becomes a relevant topic as to whether the Knicks should find a deal and pull the trigger that's one matter.

But until that day comes, whether or not the Knicks SHOULD do it and whether or not other fans agree the Knicks should do it is superfluous.

Melo hold 100% of the power. MAYBE a relevant topic to revisit every day is reason why Melo should waive his NTC. That has least as a foothold in relevancy. But you don't seem aware of that fact.

No joke, I'm counting the days...

Not because I hate Melo, but I want the Knicks to be in an even better position to compete for a Championship.

Not sure what you guys are hoping for with Melo in these next 4 rapidly declining years.

You continue to have issues with comprehension.

IF Melo came to the Knicks and said he'd waive his NTC, I'd be all for the Knicks exploring all options and making a deal IF a good deal could be made.

But AGAIN, until the day comes, the topic is pointless.

This isn't even a fan trade, which is at least based on the premise of coming up with a transaction the team has the power to make.

The Knicks are powerless. All arguments that the Knicks should do something they cannot is as pointless as arguing who the Knicks 2016 first round draft pick should be.

Melo may have the leverage right now, but doesn't mean the point is moot.

NTC just means he has power to where he gets traded to.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:melo being traded to chicago is not as far fetched as many of you believe.

Does it occur to anyone that maybe Melo just wants to be in NY no matter what?

thats an assumption not a fact. I think melo like everyone else wants to win. He ain't winning here.

Everyone doesn't just want to win.

Gasol stayed in Memphis because he likes living in and playing for Memphis. LOTS of prime professional athletes have stayed or gone to a destination NOT because it gave them the best chance to win.

Melo signed in NY 16 months ago when it was perfectly obvious Chicago and Houston were better "win" options.

His actions suggest he just wants to be in NY.

Wrong. Chicago and Houston didn't have the dough. $124m is why he resigned.

He made his bed and now he's laying in it. My whole "schtick" is how we can get out of the money pit with value, either picks, role players, or expiring for cap room.

Just logic.

Dude, your entire argument has been the furthest thing from logic, no offense.

Really? Which major free agent is going to sign with the Knicks for $19m this summer?

In 2017, Curry, Conley, Griffin, Westbrook are free agents and you wouldn't want to have a chance at least? Who wouldn't want to play with an up and coming unselfish player like Porzingis.

In 2017 we will have the cap space to sign one of those guys with both Melo and Porzingis here. We will have a chance at them regardless. That is one of the many things you seem to be missing. in 2016, we may not have the cap space with Melo, i agree, but then again, which max guy are you targeting. Seems like 2017 is a better opportunity.

Yea, and if this team can gel, we get the stash Spanish player in the lineup... continue some success... I just don't see the point of burning down the house if we don't have an insurance policy. All we need is an extended period of injury to post-Melo Centerpiece KP (BBGods Forbid!) and we are flailing in the wilderness for another how many years?

Did Chad Ford say anything of worth? Or was this just some comments-bait for Insider subscribers and ESPN bloviators?

See the other Porzingis thread, i posted the article in there. He said a lot of good things about Porzingis upside, and a very small part about building around him without Melo. Basically that Porzingis has franchise-building potential. What i disagree with is everyone lumps this in with Melo because he is at a different stage of his career. Porzingis upside is completely independent of Melo. You can have both, you don't need to pick one or the other. And i agree with you, you just don't trade him to trade him. Most realize that. We can actually build something with what we have, after this summer have all of our future draft picks, and have plenty of cap space to build with Melo there. For now, Melo helps us win games and helps KP learn how to score and what is needed to carry a franchise.

Ha! Realize I actually did read that article in the other thread already. I didn't even put 2 & 2 together with what Chuck was saying and what SAS was screaming about and what Ford wrote, because like you said: I didn't even read Ford's comments about KP as having anything to do with Melo other than the picks we don't have from the Melo trade and acknowledging that KP can be the future of a franchise — hopefully this one!

ChuckBuck wrote:You guys honestly think Melo would gracefully hand over the reins to KP?

Seemed to work for Amare and Lin!

I don't think he limped around in any All Star games before those situations. Like you said, he's only getting older. Can be bad for the body but good for the brain.

ChuckBuck wrote:Melo may have the leverage right now, but doesn't mean the point is moot.

That's exactly what it means.

Not only is the point moot, making the same point ALL the time is moot.

NTC just means he has power to where he gets traded to.

No, all this time you don't know what a NTC is?

NTC means he has to power to decide whether he gets traded at all, in addition to where.

Which makes your fixation moot.

ChuckBuck wrote:You guys honestly think Melo would gracefully hand over the reins to KP?

Seemed to work for Amare and Lin!

One of the things that makes KP special is he doesn't need to be a go to guy to be an impact player. He isn't ball dominant. He has potential to put up 20pts without any plays called for him. This goes without the Defense and rebounding. Can't say the same about Amare or Lin. KP also doesn't seem like an entitled person who would conflict with Melo over anything.

Lin also failed to beat the trap by the time Melo got healed from injury. He wasn't ready to be a go to guy. Still isn't, very good spark plug though.

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Melo may have the leverage right now, but doesn't mean the point is moot.

That's exactly what it means.

Not only is the point moot, making the same point ALL the time is moot.

NTC just means he has power to where he gets traded to.

No, all this time you don't know what a NTC is?

NTC means he has to power to decide whether he gets traded at all, in addition to where.

Which makes your fixation moot.

If they keep (media, talking heads, GMs around the league) talking about it, it's not moot.

Means it'll be difficult maybe but not impossible.

Sounds like to me you are doing a rain dance for a **** storm, and not happy until every well in Knicks Nation is filled with poop.

I'm hoping for Ws, you want to see Melo get paid back for killing D'Antoni's joy by turning this almost respectable organization into a 3-ring circus?

Ford wrote a glowing appraisal of KP. That gets turned into initiating Operation Move Mountains — trade the guy with the NTC.

It's not just difficult, it's undesirable!

ChuckBuck wrote:You guys honestly think Melo would gracefully hand over the reins to KP?

Seemed to work for Amare and Lin!