dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

Name an NBA Scorer that NEVER FORCED a shot..EVER?! You are putting unrealistic expectations on Melo and then call him out for not doing it. Scorers force shots! Its what they do...

he averages 4-6 bad shots a game since a knick. the only expectation you can have with that as a given on a nightly basis is underachievement and basically mediocrity. but what it comes down to for me is his lack of mental toughness. fisher called timeout after two melo ill-advise shots that bricked in the 1st quarter. then he used coded language to critique melo in the postgame. this season is shyt or get off the pot for melo. it's about fukkin' time.

Coded language. I am amazed at your ability to know what people are saying when they say something else. We're you cued into the hidden meaning by an 'irresponsible' Herring tweet or did you come up with this one on your own?

you didn't watch the post game interview with fisher.

I had it on. I was half watching and checking twitter to see if Kristaps was ok. I missed the coded language you were able to decode.

if you were half-listening then you missed the coded language.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2015/11/03/dropboxnykfisher220151102msgi2528k1280w.mp4-92473

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

Name an NBA Scorer that NEVER FORCED a shot..EVER?! You are putting unrealistic expectations on Melo and then call him out for not doing it. Scorers force shots! Its what they do...

he averages 4-6 bad shots a game since a knick. the only expectation you can have with that as a given on a nightly basis is underachievement and basically mediocrity. but what it comes down to for me is his lack of mental toughness. fisher called timeout after two melo ill-advise shots that bricked in the 1st quarter. then he used coded language to critique melo in the postgame. this season is shyt or get off the pot for melo. it's about fukkin' time.

Coded language. I am amazed at your ability to know what people are saying when they say something else. We're you cued into the hidden meaning by an 'irresponsible' Herring tweet or did you come up with this one on your own?

you didn't watch the post game interview with fisher.

I had it on. I was half watching and checking twitter to see if Kristaps was ok. I missed the coded language you were able to decode.

if you were half-listening then you missed the coded language.

Glad you got it and shared it. Same with Melo on media day despite the 'irresponsible' tweet from Herring and Melo not saying what you decoded. Maybe instead of post game observation threads you should do a thread on coded messages from post game interviews. I think you could provide valuable information that might otherwise be misinterpreted.

nah i am not that charitable with ingrates.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

Name an NBA Scorer that NEVER FORCED a shot..EVER?! You are putting unrealistic expectations on Melo and then call him out for not doing it. Scorers force shots! Its what they do...

he averages 4-6 bad shots a game since a knick. the only expectation you can have with that as a given on a nightly basis is underachievement and basically mediocrity. but what it comes down to for me is his lack of mental toughness. fisher called timeout after two melo ill-advise shots that bricked in the 1st quarter. then he used coded language to critique melo in the postgame. this season is shyt or get off the pot for melo. it's about fukkin' time.

Coded language. I am amazed at your ability to know what people are saying when they say something else. We're you cued into the hidden meaning by an 'irresponsible' Herring tweet or did you come up with this one on your own?

you didn't watch the post game interview with fisher.

I had it on. I was half watching and checking twitter to see if Kristaps was ok. I missed the coded language you were able to decode.

if you were half-listening then you missed the coded language.

Glad you got it and shared it. Same with Melo on media day despite the 'irresponsible' tweet from Herring and Melo not saying what you decoded. Maybe instead of post game observation threads you should do a thread on coded messages from post game interviews. I think you could provide valuable information that might otherwise be misinterpreted.

nah i am not that charitable with ingrates.

meloshouldgo wrote:Melo should go

I don't know why but this had me LMFAO

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

Name an NBA Scorer that NEVER FORCED a shot..EVER?! You are putting unrealistic expectations on Melo and then call him out for not doing it. Scorers force shots! Its what they do...

he averages 4-6 bad shots a game since a knick. the only expectation you can have with that as a given on a nightly basis is underachievement and basically mediocrity. but what it comes down to for me is his lack of mental toughness. fisher called timeout after two melo ill-advise shots that bricked in the 1st quarter. then he used coded language to critique melo in the postgame. this season is shyt or get off the pot for melo. it's about fukkin' time.

Coded language. I am amazed at your ability to know what people are saying when they say something else. We're you cued into the hidden meaning by an 'irresponsible' Herring tweet or did you come up with this one on your own?

you didn't watch the post game interview with fisher.

I had it on. I was half watching and checking twitter to see if Kristaps was ok. I missed the coded language you were able to decode.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2015/11/03/dropbox_nyk_fisher2_20151102_MSGI_2528k_1280w.mp4-92473

listen carefully at the 2-minute mark on especially the 2:50-3:10 mark. unmistakable.

yea lets see how the geniuses spin this one

have no fear. There is an emergency UK breakout session in full panic mode as we speak

For a player, even an 12 year vet all-star to need games to get the groove and 9 others to learn its not really that much a stretch to think it could take a while for Melo to get comfortable.

We talking about first 4 games people.
We talking about .500 after 4 games.

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

Name an NBA Scorer that NEVER FORCED a shot..EVER?! You are putting unrealistic expectations on Melo and then call him out for not doing it. Scorers force shots! Its what they do...

No its very realistic expectation and I am sure / I hope its phils expectation. Its fans like you who don't demand it from him.

No, its not realistic. I've been playing ball and watching for close to 35 years, coaching for 10. Asking a scorer to never force a shot ever is unrealistic. As a coach, you can demand perfection, if you get close, you've done your job. Scorers score and thats what they do. Jordan has forced shots, Bird forced shots, Dominique, Kobe, Lebron, Steph, Durant, Harden etc...Scorers shoot over 20 shots per. No way is every single one of those 20+ shots every single night is going to be perfect or in the flow. At least 5 of them will be forced. The great ones can some of them...That's reality

what???? what the heck are you talking about? Everyone forces shots!

The term "scorer" in the way that you use it and the way that it was used 10 years ago is no longer applicable or acceptable. You are either efficient and a ball mover or you just a prettier rudy gay.

I know what I'm talking about! In todays game, are you telling me that Durant NEVER, EVER forces a shot?! Are you telling me that LeBron NEVER, EVER forces a shot?! These are you words, not mine. You mentioned nothing of being efficient in the original post that I quoted. You said Melo, should NEVER, EVER force A shot! I'm telling you that all shooters, scorers etc will force several shots per game. ALL of them...Dispute what YOU Said!

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

Name an NBA Scorer that NEVER FORCED a shot..EVER?! You are putting unrealistic expectations on Melo and then call him out for not doing it. Scorers force shots! Its what they do...

No its very realistic expectation and I am sure / I hope its phils expectation. Its fans like you who don't demand it from him.

No, its not realistic. I've been playing ball and watching for close to 35 years, coaching for 10. Asking a scorer to never force a shot ever is unrealistic. As a coach, you can demand perfection, if you get close, you've done your job. Scorers score and thats what they do. Jordan has forced shots, Bird forced shots, Dominique, Kobe, Lebron, Steph, Durant, Harden etc...Scorers shoot over 20 shots per. No way is every single one of those 20+ shots every single night is going to be perfect or in the flow. At least 5 of them will be forced. The great ones can some of them...That's reality

what???? what the heck are you talking about? Everyone forces shots!

The term "scorer" in the way that you use it and the way that it was used 10 years ago is no longer applicable or acceptable. You are either efficient and a ball mover or you just a prettier rudy gay.

I know what I'm talking about! In todays game, are you telling me that Durant NEVER, EVER forces a shot?! Are you telling me that LeBron NEVER, EVER forces a shot?! These are you words, not mine. You mentioned nothing of being efficient in the original post that I quoted. You said Melo, should NEVER, EVER force A shot! I'm telling you that all shooters, scorers etc will force several shots per game. ALL of them...Dispute what YOU Said!

uh ... uhkay.

One should never force. That being said I understand that it happens and that even smart players force sometimes.

Melo, please force as many shots as other smart players who are known to take mostly smart shots.

Happy now?

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:In the not so distant future, this will be Porzingis's team. When that happens, Melo's role will diminish wether he likes it or not. If the team isn't a legit contender by then, I wouldn't be surprised if Melo waves his no trade clause and tries to go to a contender, can tell fans the team is in good hands.

In the meantime, I expect some growing pains from this team, including Melo. We have the worst starting backcourt in the league right now, thats putting us at a disadvantage from the start. I dont know if the answer is Grant and Galloway, or Grant and Afflalo, but once we get some consistent production from the starting backcourt, Melo should play his role better. My biggest problem with his game is that he makes things much too hard on himself by not using screens.

Porzingis and Grant are showing that the future for this team is bright, some of you might add a few years to your life if you focus on that instead of your very strong feelings about Melo.

Yep there are some pieces here. Hopefully Melo shows off well enough that we can move him for something reasonably valuable for the future that also benefits Melo.

I rather keep melo and move fans like you. I hope you only represent the minority of knick fans. It's really getting old. The only player you would be happy with is Jesus in a tang top. And I bet you would still find something to complain about. I disliked Melos game more than anybody, but you would never know. I appreciate what you bring to this forum. Your view points creates several threads all the time, which is good. But damn man, if melo was that bad then Phil ( who forgot more about basketball than u would ever know) wouldnt have gave him a max contract with a no trade clause.

You better off trying to see how this will work with melo, instead of taking the easy route by pushing the reset button every freaking year. Fans like this is why it's so difficult to find a top player to come here. I'm from NY and I would turn down this team in a second because of groutchy impatient fickle fans. Melo is a knick....get over it and move on. We finally have more good things than bad things to talk about, but yet the hatred keeps over flowing.

spot on. 4 games into a new season with a new roster that is also the first roster this GM can say is his.

I enjoy Briggs posts but he also has no perspective. 5x a year he posts about a guy who can save the franchise after watching him for 8 minutes.

Best case Melo is a finisher for a great team for the next few years. Worst case is he's here to sell some tickets until the next guy is ready as mentioned above.

In any case "lets trade the guy with a no trade clause" threads are a wankfest.

And don't forget the endless adamant BRIGGS threads about obscure players no one's heard of that would turn this franchise and the league around. Who you wind up never hearing about.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:Melo is passing more, trying harder on defense, rebounding well. Getting some steals ........

If he could only stop forcing those shots and move the ball even more. DONT FORCE!!!! NEVER!

Barring injury, this guy is still an excellent player he just needs someone to get through to him and give him a mental adjustment. Impossible task? We'll see. I am still hopeful because he already looks like much less of a black hole than last year.

At this moment, in critical situations, who can we trust as a ball handler to create and make the right reads. Its clearly not Melo's strength on a night in and night out basis. We might need to sink or swim with Grant and let him fail yet learn and grow.

Melo and the Knicks will continue to struggle with ball movement for as long as Calderon is starting. Start Grant. Get the ball in his hands and allow him to make all the decisions. Like a PG should. Get the ball out of Melo's hands. He will be better for it. Melo only knows one way and that is to shot it. Almost 5yrs and we are still complaining about the same exact things

I do see some change but anyway ... queue the excuse mob. Guns you usually get a pass anyway. You are allowed to hate melo for some reason.

guns refuses to use the standard melo hate mostly CAPS screaming posting style. Makes his brand of hate more readable.