holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

ChuckBuck wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

mreinman wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

mreinman wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Outside of the Calderon/Sasha backcourt, I take only positives away from last nights game. The team as a whole did not shoot the ball well, but they were getting fairly good looks. Melo/KP took over this thread so I'll chime in. On Melo, I like him defensive efforr so far and willingness to try and do other things. He took 7 more shots that he should have yesterday given that his legs didn't appear under him yet but the game was out of reach at the half so I'm not gonna lose a ton of sleep over it.

KP has looked good to start the year. Obviously their will be growing pains. His stat lines have been pretty good considering he hasn't shot the ball particularly well in the first 2 games.

They can't roll Calderon out their much more. He is a disaster on defense. It's really bad. Giving up quality looks every time down the floor and easy offensive rebs bc players are out of position and scambling to cover for him getting burned.

I think Melo shot about 15 shots more than he should have.

Generally speaking, i agree, but i also think he has to shoot himself back into a rhythm, and for a few games we will just have to deal with this. Long-term it will help because he will get his timing back sooner.

That's just plain wrong. You don't continue to shoot during games to get back in rhythm, that's what practice and shootarounds are for!

If your shot's off during a real live game that affects the standing, just dish the rock, play some D, and get to the foul line instead to see the ball go into the hoop.

You don't dig your a team in a bigger hole. 25 points on 27 shots is plain disgusting at any level, playground, NBDL, NBA etc...

Shoot-arounds and practice are not like games. The feel is different. If you are a great shooter/scorer, sometimes you have to force a little. Not every game, but i can understand Melo putting up some extra shots in the first few games to get some rhythm. Its the same reason Fisher kept Melo in the game for longer against Milwaukee than he probably should have. You don't get full confidence from practice, you get it from playing competition. I have no problem with what he's doing, as long as it's not an every-game thing. I agree taking the ball to the basket a more, but he is going to find his shot only by shooting the ball.

Still wrong. You're only looking at it from Melo's angle, not the team's. What if people are open like Porzingis and Lopez, do you continue to let Melo put up extra contested heat check shots, even though he's not hot? If I'm his teammates and I'm open for a dunk or lay in and he continues to shoot long bricks, I'm tearing Melo a new as#hole.

Incorrect. I am looking at it from his perspective, but also from the team's perspective in that it is an 82-game season. If Melo has to force a little in the first 4-5 games, it means very little over the course of an 82-game season. We may lose a game or two if he's taking a lot of bad shots, but we will win many more games when he gets his rhythm back and the sooner the better. You don't have to agree with that perspective, but i can tell you i understand the approach. To me he looks like the same player he always has been, his shot just isn't falling. It will come.

Both sides of this argument have good points, but in some ways are a little wrong too. A Shooter does have to shoot himself back into rhythm, there's no doubt about that, and it's true that practice shooting and in-game shooting are totally different, but 27 shots in 25 minutes or whatever it was IS way too much, especially because you don't have the touch at the moment. Plus it's just not the way you want to start the season, by jacking up all those shots and taking away opportunities from your team mates. You can do that here and there down the stretch when you get your shot back, but right at the start it's a bad idea, especially right AFTER a game where you were obviously more willing to share.
This is going to sound crazy, and of course hindsight is usually 20/20, but I'm starting to think that maybe giving Vujacic a blow on the 2nd of a back to back and giving Early the starting spot at the 2 might have been the way to go. Better defense on Teague, pick up the pace. You know Vujacic was tired. He probably hasn't played a back to back in years. Honestly I'm not sure if they do those in the Euroleague during regular season play.

wow ... I thought you only posted cream puff pieces. fair take

Lol are you referring to my criticism of Melo? I never said I wasn't critical of Melo. I never claimed that Melo is perfect. I do like him and appreciate what he brings to this team, but I also recognize that he was flaws as well. It's just the arguments based on his Assist averages that piss me off because people stubbornly fail to acknowledge that he has been surrounded by notoriously streaky and no-so-reliable shooters for the past several years. I mean what the hell are you supposed to do? In my opinion he's lucky his Assist averages weren't lower the past few years when you take that into account.

so when melo had better players/shooters he passed more?

so sick of that silly excuse.

how many assists did he have in season 54?

And the season 54 comparison is tired and lame as well. Who were the better shooters during that season? They were Kidd (until he ran out of gas) and Novak. Novak was coming off the bench and didn't spend much time on the floor with Melo so that scratches out one reliable shooter. And most of Kidd's jump shots were either transition 3's or shots he took when he was wide open because the defense was giving him room because they weren't threatened by him. What I'm saying is using the Assist average as an argument builder is flawed in and of itself because it does not in any way take into account the fact that you are surrounded by notoriously streaky and not-so-reliable shooters. It's a lame argument. It's tired, and it is SO flawed. Oh, and yeah, it's lazy as well.

You know what's even lazier....2.6 assists a game!

Okay, obviously trying to reason with you and have a realistic debate with you, a Klan lover, on anything is not going to happen, given your disturbingly neurotic tendencies. Have fun hating Melo for all the laziest reasons LMAO.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

lopez had some bad defensive moments but also some very good ones. Again, if your guards are forcing your bigs to constantly pick up their man then your bigs will not be able to recover to the three point line. Hence why you spread the offense with your bigs.

Our number one reason why we lost was our defense at guard.

second reason our tired legs and terrible 3 point shooting.

third reason was the selfish putz

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

lopez had some bad defensive moments but also some very good ones. Again, if your guards are forcing your bigs to constantly pick up their man then your bigs will not be able to recover to the three point line. Hence why you spread the offense with your bigs.

Our number one reason why we lost was our defense at guard.

second reason our tired legs and terrible 3 point shooting.

third reason was the selfish putz

Or Atlanta is just a better team...

and??

they play in atlanta.

herkyJerky wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

mreinman wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

mreinman wrote:

herkyJerky wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Outside of the Calderon/Sasha backcourt, I take only positives away from last nights game. The team as a whole did not shoot the ball well, but they were getting fairly good looks. Melo/KP took over this thread so I'll chime in. On Melo, I like him defensive efforr so far and willingness to try and do other things. He took 7 more shots that he should have yesterday given that his legs didn't appear under him yet but the game was out of reach at the half so I'm not gonna lose a ton of sleep over it.

KP has looked good to start the year. Obviously their will be growing pains. His stat lines have been pretty good considering he hasn't shot the ball particularly well in the first 2 games.

They can't roll Calderon out their much more. He is a disaster on defense. It's really bad. Giving up quality looks every time down the floor and easy offensive rebs bc players are out of position and scambling to cover for him getting burned.

I think Melo shot about 15 shots more than he should have.

Generally speaking, i agree, but i also think he has to shoot himself back into a rhythm, and for a few games we will just have to deal with this. Long-term it will help because he will get his timing back sooner.

That's just plain wrong. You don't continue to shoot during games to get back in rhythm, that's what practice and shootarounds are for!

If your shot's off during a real live game that affects the standing, just dish the rock, play some D, and get to the foul line instead to see the ball go into the hoop.

You don't dig your a team in a bigger hole. 25 points on 27 shots is plain disgusting at any level, playground, NBDL, NBA etc...

Shoot-arounds and practice are not like games. The feel is different. If you are a great shooter/scorer, sometimes you have to force a little. Not every game, but i can understand Melo putting up some extra shots in the first few games to get some rhythm. Its the same reason Fisher kept Melo in the game for longer against Milwaukee than he probably should have. You don't get full confidence from practice, you get it from playing competition. I have no problem with what he's doing, as long as it's not an every-game thing. I agree taking the ball to the basket a more, but he is going to find his shot only by shooting the ball.

Still wrong. You're only looking at it from Melo's angle, not the team's. What if people are open like Porzingis and Lopez, do you continue to let Melo put up extra contested heat check shots, even though he's not hot? If I'm his teammates and I'm open for a dunk or lay in and he continues to shoot long bricks, I'm tearing Melo a new as#hole.

Incorrect. I am looking at it from his perspective, but also from the team's perspective in that it is an 82-game season. If Melo has to force a little in the first 4-5 games, it means very little over the course of an 82-game season. We may lose a game or two if he's taking a lot of bad shots, but we will win many more games when he gets his rhythm back and the sooner the better. You don't have to agree with that perspective, but i can tell you i understand the approach. To me he looks like the same player he always has been, his shot just isn't falling. It will come.

Both sides of this argument have good points, but in some ways are a little wrong too. A Shooter does have to shoot himself back into rhythm, there's no doubt about that, and it's true that practice shooting and in-game shooting are totally different, but 27 shots in 25 minutes or whatever it was IS way too much, especially because you don't have the touch at the moment. Plus it's just not the way you want to start the season, by jacking up all those shots and taking away opportunities from your team mates. You can do that here and there down the stretch when you get your shot back, but right at the start it's a bad idea, especially right AFTER a game where you were obviously more willing to share.
This is going to sound crazy, and of course hindsight is usually 20/20, but I'm starting to think that maybe giving Vujacic a blow on the 2nd of a back to back and giving Early the starting spot at the 2 might have been the way to go. Better defense on Teague, pick up the pace. You know Vujacic was tired. He probably hasn't played a back to back in years. Honestly I'm not sure if they do those in the Euroleague during regular season play.

wow ... I thought you only posted cream puff pieces. fair take

Lol are you referring to my criticism of Melo? I never said I wasn't critical of Melo. I never claimed that Melo is perfect. I do like him and appreciate what he brings to this team, but I also recognize that he was flaws as well. It's just the arguments based on his Assist averages that piss me off because people stubbornly fail to acknowledge that he has been surrounded by notoriously streaky and no-so-reliable shooters for the past several years. I mean what the hell are you supposed to do? In my opinion he's lucky his Assist averages weren't lower the past few years when you take that into account.

so when melo had better players/shooters he passed more?

so sick of that silly excuse.

how many assists did he have in season 54?

And the season 54 comparison is tired and lame as well. Who were the better shooters during that season? They were Kidd (until he ran out of gas) and Novak. Novak was coming off the bench and didn't spend much time on the floor with Melo so that scratches out one reliable shooter. And most of Kidd's jump shots were either transition 3's or shots he took when he was wide open because the defense was giving him room because they weren't threatened by him. What I'm saying is using the Assist average as an argument builder is flawed in and of itself because it does not in any way take into account the fact that you are surrounded by notoriously streaky and not-so-reliable shooters. It's a lame argument. It's tired, and it is SO flawed. Oh, and yeah, it's lazy as well.

You know what's even lazier....2.6 assists a game!

Okay, obviously trying to reason with you and have a realistic debate with you, a Klan lover, on anything is not going to happen, given your disturbingly neurotic tendencies. Have fun hating Melo for all the laziest reasons LMAO.

Thanks.

Awesome! I'd rather have Melo as a friend than the Klan LMAO.

Touche! I'd rather be a Klan member than have Melo as a friend.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

i gave my impressions as the opening to this thread. had you read them-- carefully-- you would notice that melo was but one entry among more than several. the main issue was calderon (and vujacic). then i question fisher's substitution pattern. so far as lopez, i did not say he "played great." i said he has some real floor impact. he's a workman-like, serviceable player, and will rarely have great games. he and o'quinn are going to be liabilities closing out stretch 4s. at least kp has the length to disrupt.

you have reading comprehension issues. you miss the main thrust of my initial post because you constantly are circling the wagons to protect melo. either that or you're just plain dumb. there was ZERO excuse for his shooting 27 times, at least 10 of which were stupid decisions.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

lopez had some bad defensive moments but also some very good ones. Again, if your guards are forcing your bigs to constantly pick up their man then your bigs will not be able to recover to the three point line. Hence why you spread the offense with your bigs.

Our number one reason why we lost was our defense at guard.

second reason our tired legs and terrible 3 point shooting.

third reason was the selfish putz

Or Atlanta is just a better team...

and??

they play in atlanta.

Better teams usually win games...

and?

So you don't think that we could have won the game? Of course we could have. And of course Atlanta is a better team.

We got blown out...None of our guards, old or young, can defend their guards...Korver was taking wide open threes...Horford and Milsap is too much for KP and Lopez...They won 60 games last year and we saw why..Any team can win any game but they will beat us 7 times out of 10...

so we should not adjust or look at what we did wrong or what we can improve on since they are obviously better than us?

so if our starting guards can't defend their starting guards, are we playing the right guards out of the gate?

would it help if our leader did not decide to do some blind target practice so that he can get himself going?

Can we at least see what we can do to try and win?

Are we only allowed to critique KP after games?

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

lopez had some bad defensive moments but also some very good ones. Again, if your guards are forcing your bigs to constantly pick up their man then your bigs will not be able to recover to the three point line. Hence why you spread the offense with your bigs.

Our number one reason why we lost was our defense at guard.

second reason our tired legs and terrible 3 point shooting.

third reason was the selfish putz

Or Atlanta is just a better team...

and??

they play in atlanta.

Better teams usually win games...

and?

So you don't think that we could have won the game? Of course we could have. And of course Atlanta is a better team.

We got blown out...None of our guards, old or young, can defend their guards...Korver was taking wide open threes...Horford and Milsap is too much for KP and Lopez...They won 60 games last year and we saw why..Any team can win any game but they will beat us 7 times out of 10...

so we should not adjust or look at what we did wrong or what we can improve on since they are obviously better than us?

so if our starting guards can't defend their starting guards, are we playing the right guards out of the gate?

would it help if our leader did not decide to do some blind target practice so that he can get himself going?

Can we at least see what we can do to try and win?

Are we only allowed to critique KP after games?

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holfresh wrote:Am I the only one excited to see Melo move like the old Melo??..Plant his feet and cut for the first time since his surgery??..I was scared he was tentative in the preseason and first game that he might be in the LeBron mode of decline...He planted his feet, blew by his opponent, and cut off his left side..He is excited to see it's still there...80 games to go...

These guys aren't robots..The switch doesn't go on when the ball is jumped at center..If anyone here has played basketball for real, you know you lose your game after two or three days of not playing...8 month later, wake up guys...

Completely agree. I was trying to say this earlier. People are so quick to say he's lost a step, or whatever. The guy needs time to get back to playing basketball at this level.

You have to understand that some here live on riding Melo...They didn't see us down 20+ points in the 3rd qt and the reason for that..The saw Melo taking 27 shots in the box score..Nothing u can do about that...

where were you in the game thread, slick?

Naw...Was paying attention to the game..Don't like going to games either, too much distractions, can't rewind if I missed a play?..You missed my keen insights?

nope. never have never will. i rewind only to see who missed a defensive assignment rotating.

but the thing of it is this: unless you and i are both in the game threads then there's no way of telling in the moment who is seeing what. if melo bricks a shot or takes a stupid ill-advised shot then you have to admit he bricked a shot don't you? memory notoriously misrepresents. moreover, we get to see how your philosophy on the superstar/supporting cast works in game....

as it stands, the next game thread i will be able to participate in fully is next wednesday. maybe you'll "show up"

So your analysis of the game outcome is Melo bricking shots?..U also never mentioned Lopez lack of defensive rotation..You said he played great..Horford was draining threes with no one close to him..Lopez wasn't even in the picture frame..."Impact players" who makes 13 mil per have to be able to play more than 20 minutes a game...

i gave my impressions as the opening to this thread. had you read them-- carefully-- you would notice that melo was but one entry among more than several. the main issue was calderon (and vujacic). then i question fisher's substitution pattern. so far as lopez, i did not say he "played great." i said he has some real floor impact. he's a workman-like, serviceable player, and will rarely have great games. he and o'quinn are going to be liabilities closing out stretch 4s. at least kp has the length to disrupt.

you have reading comprehension issues. you miss the main thrust of my initial post because you constantly are circling the wagons to protect melo. either that or you're just plain dumb. there was ZERO excuse for his shooting 27 times, at least 10 of which were stupid decisions.

I think the Atlanta game magnified our shortcomings...Perimeter defense and our bigs who don't recover or close out well..If they aren't under the basket, they are in no man's land...Crazy as it sounds, Melo has been our best defender thus far...Lopez' rebounding is atrocious...We need Afafalo back sooner than later to help defend...I wish we made a run at Austin Rivers instead of resigning Thomas and Admunson at 1.6 mil each..We could have paid them vet min after we made free agent runs...Rivers is a good perimeter defender...We will get destroyed when we meed teams with quick guards...

remove calderon from the equation and start galloway and you will see lopez and o'quinn have less difficulty chasing three-point shooters. so far as korver the guy needs a blanket defender on him, otherwise he will murder teams. so far as minutes played, the trend of playing nobody more than 30 minutes a night is where the league is going now. it makes eminent sense. fisher just needs to tighten his substitution pattern, which will come when he has seen enough of calderon.

you and others may recall that i formulated lineups this summer without calderon in them. people insisted that he had to be in there and i changed it to accommodate that scenario, but dependent on his being a spot-up shooter only. now everyone sees what i foresaw and is coming around.

That's not true..Teams are trying to keep guys between 30/35 mins per...We are playing guys 20-25 per..We need to find a core that can play those minutes to get familiar with each others game...Gallo is a decent defender and a spot up shooter..He isn't good at orchestrating or running an offense..And why is he trying so hard to be a "leader"..Dude needs to learn the game himself..I saw him talking to KP after a rough stretch and KP seem annoyed...Give the leadership gig a rest...