holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Holfresh, getting to the regular season record was on Lebron, Kyrie and Love was feeling good and coming around the last 20 games.

In the playoffs Love went in the first round, Kyrie was done by finals. Lebron's play is largely taken for granted as he has been carrying teams to the finals 5 years in a row!!

Nobody said JR and Shump are talentless slobs, but a team that in Phils first year proved worthy of a tear down, they did so in a year with a draft pick.
KP was not a "Win now" type.
In the old days Dolan would have wanted that or the pick traded on draft day to give Melo and the ticket office a starphuch to sell. Instead, Phil told the world the franchise is more important than Melo.
If we did that with Ewing history could have been much different.

Starphuchers want instant gratification which before the hard salary cap could be obtained. IN the world of parity, we don't have the advantage. When we did, we did not execute it very well.

Nobody likes a tear down and rebuild. It was often debated that many fans would not go for it. Problem is to achieve contention it had to be. Phil might have seen a path to it in his tenure but now admits it might take longer.
That's not arrogance, its keeping it real. If fans can't handle the truth and think Phil was going to bring magic then you took the full brunt of the starphuch literally.

What Phil brings is cred. He has to sell the rebuild. He is trying to sell you to be patient and let KP grow up and develop. Yes, melo is an asset as a player or trade. Free agents don't sign for less money if they jump unless there is a compelling reason. NYC, as great as it has had a bad Knick franchise and until respectable won't attract free agents. Until it has a roster of serviceable players it won't have trade fodder. JR and Shump were not highly valued last year. Bargs had no value. Shump was a decent pick who lived up to his scouting reports. JR was a defective FA when he came and Bargs was a disaster starphuch CAA attempt to help Melo. Bad deals of the past.

Phil had little to work with and provided no miracle starphuchs, but you know not a game has been played so OP slamming the team is premature.

There are zero ramifications for future going after a player like Aldridge, zero!!..Doesn't deter the rebuild..Its a cop out argument..We are maxed out with roles players, what's the difference??..Trying to win games now doesn't take away from trying to win later..Not trying to win now, doesn't mean you will build a better team later..I don't get the argument..If we don't play well now, means we have a better chance to win 10 years from now???..I don't get it..

Phil is a starphuck, Derrick Fisher is a starphuck...Are the Spurs idiots for going after Aldridge?

spurs were not idiots and neither was aldridge. aldridge wants to win now. he's thirty years old and has not had the type of success in portland that he wanted, so as a free agent who wants to win and make money, the spurs were an ideal setting for him to close out his career. he no doubt is seeking ways to tighten up his game as well as playing with much headier ballplayers... lillard is just not that guy. and while he is slated for eventually replacing the greatest power forward to ever lace them up, he still has an opportunity to win this coming season and the next. then, with two seasons under his belt, he likely, hopefully, will have learned how to play the right way. and by the way... texas is home for aldridge.

the excuse that aldridge gave-- they drafted for the future with porzingis-- is a bit too facile to be as much of a factor as you seem so desperate to make it. face it: he is in an ideal situation for him in texas and would not have been in an ideal situation in new york.

everything else is sound and fury on your part, signifying nothing.

So you are saying you know Aldridge better than he knows himself..He was lying to himself and us...And Phil in his infinite wisdom, knows all this, and decided to nip the discussion in the bud because he didn't want to be turned away, so he did it first?..Or we as Knick fans should never dream of attracting a player of Aldridge ilk...

I would also submit you have no clue what would work and what wouldn't work anywhere...You have demonstrated as much...

i am going by the context of the situation, which for rational people informs what people say and do.

you seem to be doing the opposite... creating context out of what is said.

if you look at aldridge's game as it is now, there is no better place for him to take it to the next level than in san antonio. and so far as jackson is concerned, i think the best move for the knicks medium and longterm is doing what he did.

but lets look at it this way: the triangle in new york requires better passers in the post than aldridge is. by contrast, you have one of the greatest passing big men/playmakers in the game to learn from.

which is more appealing? context

Humor me, explain to me why is it better to blow out our cap space with role players like O'Quinn, Lopez and Williams than a player like Aldridge???

carmelo anthony is 31 and has played 30266 minutes
lamarcus aldridge is 30 and has played 22972 minutes

brooke lopez is 27 and has played 9863 minutes
kyle o'quinn is 25 and has played 2650 minutes
d. williams is 24 and has played 6616 minutes

as has been asserted several times to you: aldridge coming here doesn't bring a title, maybe not even a conference finals. jackson knew that, aldridge knew that... but apparently melo and you don't know that.

have you seen aldridge's numbers? not a good passer, okay scorer, suspect defender, a little soft, overrated rebounder. have studied his game? how would he do in the triangle, even if he were to play the 4?

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:
Bringing in a guy like Aldridge has zero impact on the long term goals of the Knicks...A deal with Aldridge would runs concurrent with Melo's deal which will be off the books when KP is 23 years old...I doubt KP will be setting the world on fire before then..In the mean time we could be an attractive destination with two major pieces like Melo and Adridge while KP and others develop...Instead we are blowing cap space on guys that have no impact whatsoever...Williams, Lopez and O'Quinn are scrubs...

You are talking about 2 completely separate issues.

A) Bringing in Aldridge was a very slim likelihood. You are basing this assumption. Somehow you have this notion that is was a slam dunk for the Knicks based on one Tweet. Why would Aldridge choose NY over the Spurs as he is 30 and wants to win/compete immediately? Aldridge, Melo, Calderon and a bunch of kids with no center is not a Championship contender this year. The Spurs ARE a contender right now!!

B) Lopez and O'Quinn are not scrubs....they are role players. In fact Lopez will likely prove to be a solid starter in NY. Williams was a short term (2 year) risk with upside. With Aldridge & Jordan not coming to NY not sure who you were a proponent of bringing in but you are talking like there was a buffet of all stars available this year for the Knicks.

No..I never said it was a slam dunk...Never..It is however insane to take ourselves out of the running with the talent deficit that exist on this team...

Lopez is a scrub, no doubt about it...Tyson Chandler is better than Lopez right this minute...O'Quinn was being benched in Orlando, DNPs, he couldn't get burn on a lottery team...

Phil asked LMA to play center and he said no....case closed. I will guess that Phil is looking for Team first players and that answer told him what he needed to know about LMA. Not sure why you bring Tyson Chandler into this. If Tyson was 27 years old instead of turning 33 in the next few months, he would likely have been a high priority FA target for the Knicks. Kyle Oquinn is only 25 years old and is targeted for a reserve role making an average of $3.8 million over the next 2 years and only $4 million the year after. How much do you think reserves make in the NBA? Or did you just want LMA, Melo and a bunch of Vet Min guys? Part of a rebuild is to cultivate young guys to increase their value in terms of production or trade chips. Further, based on your principle why would Cleveland want JR and Shump who were inconsistent on 17 win Knick team?

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:
Bringing in a guy like Aldridge has zero impact on the long term goals of the Knicks...A deal with Aldridge would runs concurrent with Melo's deal which will be off the books when KP is 23 years old...I doubt KP will be setting the world on fire before then..In the mean time we could be an attractive destination with two major pieces like Melo and Adridge while KP and others develop...Instead we are blowing cap space on guys that have no impact whatsoever...Williams, Lopez and O'Quinn are scrubs...

You are talking about 2 completely separate issues.

A) Bringing in Aldridge was a very slim likelihood. You are basing this assumption. Somehow you have this notion that is was a slam dunk for the Knicks based on one Tweet. Why would Aldridge choose NY over the Spurs as he is 30 and wants to win/compete immediately? Aldridge, Melo, Calderon and a bunch of kids with no center is not a Championship contender this year. The Spurs ARE a contender right now!!

B) Lopez and O'Quinn are not scrubs....they are role players. In fact Lopez will likely prove to be a solid starter in NY. Williams was a short term (2 year) risk with upside. With Aldridge & Jordan not coming to NY not sure who you were a proponent of bringing in but you are talking like there was a buffet of all stars available this year for the Knicks.

No..I never said it was a slam dunk...Never..It is however insane to take ourselves out of the running with the talent deficit that exist on this team...

Lopez is a scrub, no doubt about it...Tyson Chandler is better than Lopez right this minute...O'Quinn was being benched in Orlando, DNPs, he couldn't get burn on a lottery team...

Phil asked LMA to play center and he said no....case closed. I will guess that Phil is looking for Team first players and that answer told him what he needed to know about LMA. Not sure why you bring Tyson Chandler into this. If Tyson was 27 years old instead of turning 33 in the next few months, he would likely have been a high priority FA target for the Knicks. Kyle Oquinn is only 25 years old and is targeted for a reserve role making an average of $3.8 million over the next 2 years and only $4 million the year after. How much do you think reserves make in the NBA? Or did you just want LMA, Melo and a bunch of Vet Min guys? Part of a rebuild is to cultivate young guys to increase their value in terms of production or trade chips. Further, based on your principle why would Cleveland want JR and Shump who were inconsistent on 17 win Knick team?

Well let's say you have lots more confidence in what Phil is doing than I do...A 17 win season and a 25 win projection doesn't bored well for those in Phil's camp...A swing for the fences draft pick and curious off season FA omissions, signings, past trades, with an inept coach is looking like a complete rout the wrong way...I still root the team non the less...Fandom is a hell of a thing...

So basically you don't like what Phil is doing. You don't like Fish as head coach. You don't like what Phil did with the draft. You don't like what Phil did with Free Agency. You're fully bought in to the notion that this team is going to only win 25 games and it seems like you aren't too optimistic about the teams future either.

No point bringing up the 17 win season to try and bash Phil. That was year one and he's since trashed that roster and has spent the summer revamping the team. How about we at least acknowledge what the man did this summer in terms of setting the foundation for the future to the best of his ability??? You seem to have wanted Phil to go all in on a win now team. That's really the only thing that can be assumed from your posts.

It seems to me that what Phil ended up doing was about the best of very few options. Not too much he could've done differently in Free Agency. The one thing you are bashing him over is a presumed signing of LMA. Problem is you don't know for sure that LMA would've chosen to come over the Spurs.

The draft you can always go back and forth over different players. In terms of the #4 pick, KP6 seems like he had the highest upside at that spot. After seeing him play you still seem to believe he's swing for the fences and you weren't pleased by how he looked in SL. #19 was a very shrewd pick taking Jerian. #35 Stashing Willy seems like a good move. KP6, Jerian and Willy could turn out to be a great draft for this team, but we can't know that at this point. We have to let this play out.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Holfresh, getting to the regular season record was on Lebron, Kyrie and Love was feeling good and coming around the last 20 games.

In the playoffs Love went in the first round, Kyrie was done by finals. Lebron's play is largely taken for granted as he has been carrying teams to the finals 5 years in a row!!

Nobody said JR and Shump are talentless slobs, but a team that in Phils first year proved worthy of a tear down, they did so in a year with a draft pick.
KP was not a "Win now" type.
In the old days Dolan would have wanted that or the pick traded on draft day to give Melo and the ticket office a starphuch to sell. Instead, Phil told the world the franchise is more important than Melo.
If we did that with Ewing history could have been much different.

Starphuchers want instant gratification which before the hard salary cap could be obtained. IN the world of parity, we don't have the advantage. When we did, we did not execute it very well.

Nobody likes a tear down and rebuild. It was often debated that many fans would not go for it. Problem is to achieve contention it had to be. Phil might have seen a path to it in his tenure but now admits it might take longer.
That's not arrogance, its keeping it real. If fans can't handle the truth and think Phil was going to bring magic then you took the full brunt of the starphuch literally.

What Phil brings is cred. He has to sell the rebuild. He is trying to sell you to be patient and let KP grow up and develop. Yes, melo is an asset as a player or trade. Free agents don't sign for less money if they jump unless there is a compelling reason. NYC, as great as it has had a bad Knick franchise and until respectable won't attract free agents. Until it has a roster of serviceable players it won't have trade fodder. JR and Shump were not highly valued last year. Bargs had no value. Shump was a decent pick who lived up to his scouting reports. JR was a defective FA when he came and Bargs was a disaster starphuch CAA attempt to help Melo. Bad deals of the past.

Phil had little to work with and provided no miracle starphuchs, but you know not a game has been played so OP slamming the team is premature.

There are zero ramifications for future going after a player like Aldridge, zero!!..Doesn't deter the rebuild..Its a cop out argument..We are maxed out with roles players, what's the difference??..Trying to win games now doesn't take away from trying to win later..Not trying to win now, doesn't mean you will build a better team later..I don't get the argument..If we don't play well now, means we have a better chance to win 10 years from now???..I don't get it..

Phil is a starphuck, Derrick Fisher is a starphuck...Are the Spurs idiots for going after Aldridge?

spurs were not idiots and neither was aldridge. aldridge wants to win now. he's thirty years old and has not had the type of success in portland that he wanted, so as a free agent who wants to win and make money, the spurs were an ideal setting for him to close out his career. he no doubt is seeking ways to tighten up his game as well as playing with much headier ballplayers... lillard is just not that guy. and while he is slated for eventually replacing the greatest power forward to ever lace them up, he still has an opportunity to win this coming season and the next. then, with two seasons under his belt, he likely, hopefully, will have learned how to play the right way. and by the way... texas is home for aldridge.

the excuse that aldridge gave-- they drafted for the future with porzingis-- is a bit too facile to be as much of a factor as you seem so desperate to make it. face it: he is in an ideal situation for him in texas and would not have been in an ideal situation in new york.

everything else is sound and fury on your part, signifying nothing.

So you are saying you know Aldridge better than he knows himself..He was lying to himself and us...And Phil in his infinite wisdom, knows all this, and decided to nip the discussion in the bud because he didn't want to be turned away, so he did it first?..Or we as Knick fans should never dream of attracting a player of Aldridge ilk...

I would also submit you have no clue what would work and what wouldn't work anywhere...You have demonstrated as much...

i am going by the context of the situation, which for rational people informs what people say and do.

you seem to be doing the opposite... creating context out of what is said.

if you look at aldridge's game as it is now, there is no better place for him to take it to the next level than in san antonio. and so far as jackson is concerned, i think the best move for the knicks medium and longterm is doing what he did.

but lets look at it this way: the triangle in new york requires better passers in the post than aldridge is. by contrast, you have one of the greatest passing big men/playmakers in the game to learn from.

which is more appealing? context

Humor me, explain to me why is it better to blow out our cap space with role players like O'Quinn, Lopez and Williams than a player like Aldridge???

carmelo anthony is 31 and has played 30266 minutes
lamarcus aldridge is 30 and has played 22972 minutes

brooke lopez is 27 and has played 9863 minutes
kyle o'quinn is 25 and has played 2650 minutes
d. williams is 24 and has played 6616 minutes

as has been asserted several times to you: aldridge coming here doesn't bring a title, maybe not even a conference finals. jackson knew that, aldridge knew that... but apparently melo and you don't know that.

have you seen aldridge's numbers? not a good passer, okay scorer, suspect defender, a little soft, overrated rebounder. have studied his game? how would he do in the triangle, even if he were to play the 4?

If minutes were the barometer for success, teams like the Spurs, Mavs and the Heat wouldn't win titles...

is there a point being made here?

Yes..You continue to bring up things that bare no relavence to improving the team or winning..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Holfresh, getting to the regular season record was on Lebron, Kyrie and Love was feeling good and coming around the last 20 games.

In the playoffs Love went in the first round, Kyrie was done by finals. Lebron's play is largely taken for granted as he has been carrying teams to the finals 5 years in a row!!

Nobody said JR and Shump are talentless slobs, but a team that in Phils first year proved worthy of a tear down, they did so in a year with a draft pick.
KP was not a "Win now" type.
In the old days Dolan would have wanted that or the pick traded on draft day to give Melo and the ticket office a starphuch to sell. Instead, Phil told the world the franchise is more important than Melo.
If we did that with Ewing history could have been much different.

Starphuchers want instant gratification which before the hard salary cap could be obtained. IN the world of parity, we don't have the advantage. When we did, we did not execute it very well.

Nobody likes a tear down and rebuild. It was often debated that many fans would not go for it. Problem is to achieve contention it had to be. Phil might have seen a path to it in his tenure but now admits it might take longer.
That's not arrogance, its keeping it real. If fans can't handle the truth and think Phil was going to bring magic then you took the full brunt of the starphuch literally.

What Phil brings is cred. He has to sell the rebuild. He is trying to sell you to be patient and let KP grow up and develop. Yes, melo is an asset as a player or trade. Free agents don't sign for less money if they jump unless there is a compelling reason. NYC, as great as it has had a bad Knick franchise and until respectable won't attract free agents. Until it has a roster of serviceable players it won't have trade fodder. JR and Shump were not highly valued last year. Bargs had no value. Shump was a decent pick who lived up to his scouting reports. JR was a defective FA when he came and Bargs was a disaster starphuch CAA attempt to help Melo. Bad deals of the past.

Phil had little to work with and provided no miracle starphuchs, but you know not a game has been played so OP slamming the team is premature.

There are zero ramifications for future going after a player like Aldridge, zero!!..Doesn't deter the rebuild..Its a cop out argument..We are maxed out with roles players, what's the difference??..Trying to win games now doesn't take away from trying to win later..Not trying to win now, doesn't mean you will build a better team later..I don't get the argument..If we don't play well now, means we have a better chance to win 10 years from now???..I don't get it..

Phil is a starphuck, Derrick Fisher is a starphuck...Are the Spurs idiots for going after Aldridge?

spurs were not idiots and neither was aldridge. aldridge wants to win now. he's thirty years old and has not had the type of success in portland that he wanted, so as a free agent who wants to win and make money, the spurs were an ideal setting for him to close out his career. he no doubt is seeking ways to tighten up his game as well as playing with much headier ballplayers... lillard is just not that guy. and while he is slated for eventually replacing the greatest power forward to ever lace them up, he still has an opportunity to win this coming season and the next. then, with two seasons under his belt, he likely, hopefully, will have learned how to play the right way. and by the way... texas is home for aldridge.

the excuse that aldridge gave-- they drafted for the future with porzingis-- is a bit too facile to be as much of a factor as you seem so desperate to make it. face it: he is in an ideal situation for him in texas and would not have been in an ideal situation in new york.

everything else is sound and fury on your part, signifying nothing.

So you are saying you know Aldridge better than he knows himself..He was lying to himself and us...And Phil in his infinite wisdom, knows all this, and decided to nip the discussion in the bud because he didn't want to be turned away, so he did it first?..Or we as Knick fans should never dream of attracting a player of Aldridge ilk...

I would also submit you have no clue what would work and what wouldn't work anywhere...You have demonstrated as much...

i am going by the context of the situation, which for rational people informs what people say and do.

you seem to be doing the opposite... creating context out of what is said.

if you look at aldridge's game as it is now, there is no better place for him to take it to the next level than in san antonio. and so far as jackson is concerned, i think the best move for the knicks medium and longterm is doing what he did.

but lets look at it this way: the triangle in new york requires better passers in the post than aldridge is. by contrast, you have one of the greatest passing big men/playmakers in the game to learn from.

which is more appealing? context

Humor me, explain to me why is it better to blow out our cap space with role players like O'Quinn, Lopez and Williams than a player like Aldridge???

carmelo anthony is 31 and has played 30266 minutes
lamarcus aldridge is 30 and has played 22972 minutes

brooke lopez is 27 and has played 9863 minutes
kyle o'quinn is 25 and has played 2650 minutes
d. williams is 24 and has played 6616 minutes

as has been asserted several times to you: aldridge coming here doesn't bring a title, maybe not even a conference finals. jackson knew that, aldridge knew that... but apparently melo and you don't know that.

have you seen aldridge's numbers? not a good passer, okay scorer, suspect defender, a little soft, overrated rebounder. have studied his game? how would he do in the triangle, even if he were to play the 4?

If minutes were the barometer for success, teams like the Spurs, Mavs and the Heat wouldn't win titles...

is there a point being made here?

Yes..You continue to bring up things that bare no relavence to improving the team or winning..

okay. now tell me, what expectation would you put on the knicks with aldridge here this season instead of lopez, o'quinn, williams? how much more than 25 games?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Holfresh, getting to the regular season record was on Lebron, Kyrie and Love was feeling good and coming around the last 20 games.

In the playoffs Love went in the first round, Kyrie was done by finals. Lebron's play is largely taken for granted as he has been carrying teams to the finals 5 years in a row!!

Nobody said JR and Shump are talentless slobs, but a team that in Phils first year proved worthy of a tear down, they did so in a year with a draft pick.
KP was not a "Win now" type.
In the old days Dolan would have wanted that or the pick traded on draft day to give Melo and the ticket office a starphuch to sell. Instead, Phil told the world the franchise is more important than Melo.
If we did that with Ewing history could have been much different.

Starphuchers want instant gratification which before the hard salary cap could be obtained. IN the world of parity, we don't have the advantage. When we did, we did not execute it very well.

Nobody likes a tear down and rebuild. It was often debated that many fans would not go for it. Problem is to achieve contention it had to be. Phil might have seen a path to it in his tenure but now admits it might take longer.
That's not arrogance, its keeping it real. If fans can't handle the truth and think Phil was going to bring magic then you took the full brunt of the starphuch literally.

What Phil brings is cred. He has to sell the rebuild. He is trying to sell you to be patient and let KP grow up and develop. Yes, melo is an asset as a player or trade. Free agents don't sign for less money if they jump unless there is a compelling reason. NYC, as great as it has had a bad Knick franchise and until respectable won't attract free agents. Until it has a roster of serviceable players it won't have trade fodder. JR and Shump were not highly valued last year. Bargs had no value. Shump was a decent pick who lived up to his scouting reports. JR was a defective FA when he came and Bargs was a disaster starphuch CAA attempt to help Melo. Bad deals of the past.

Phil had little to work with and provided no miracle starphuchs, but you know not a game has been played so OP slamming the team is premature.

There are zero ramifications for future going after a player like Aldridge, zero!!..Doesn't deter the rebuild..Its a cop out argument..We are maxed out with roles players, what's the difference??..Trying to win games now doesn't take away from trying to win later..Not trying to win now, doesn't mean you will build a better team later..I don't get the argument..If we don't play well now, means we have a better chance to win 10 years from now???..I don't get it..

Phil is a starphuck, Derrick Fisher is a starphuck...Are the Spurs idiots for going after Aldridge?

spurs were not idiots and neither was aldridge. aldridge wants to win now. he's thirty years old and has not had the type of success in portland that he wanted, so as a free agent who wants to win and make money, the spurs were an ideal setting for him to close out his career. he no doubt is seeking ways to tighten up his game as well as playing with much headier ballplayers... lillard is just not that guy. and while he is slated for eventually replacing the greatest power forward to ever lace them up, he still has an opportunity to win this coming season and the next. then, with two seasons under his belt, he likely, hopefully, will have learned how to play the right way. and by the way... texas is home for aldridge.

the excuse that aldridge gave-- they drafted for the future with porzingis-- is a bit too facile to be as much of a factor as you seem so desperate to make it. face it: he is in an ideal situation for him in texas and would not have been in an ideal situation in new york.

everything else is sound and fury on your part, signifying nothing.

So you are saying you know Aldridge better than he knows himself..He was lying to himself and us...And Phil in his infinite wisdom, knows all this, and decided to nip the discussion in the bud because he didn't want to be turned away, so he did it first?..Or we as Knick fans should never dream of attracting a player of Aldridge ilk...

I would also submit you have no clue what would work and what wouldn't work anywhere...You have demonstrated as much...

i am going by the context of the situation, which for rational people informs what people say and do.

you seem to be doing the opposite... creating context out of what is said.

if you look at aldridge's game as it is now, there is no better place for him to take it to the next level than in san antonio. and so far as jackson is concerned, i think the best move for the knicks medium and longterm is doing what he did.

but lets look at it this way: the triangle in new york requires better passers in the post than aldridge is. by contrast, you have one of the greatest passing big men/playmakers in the game to learn from.

which is more appealing? context

Humor me, explain to me why is it better to blow out our cap space with role players like O'Quinn, Lopez and Williams than a player like Aldridge???

carmelo anthony is 31 and has played 30266 minutes
lamarcus aldridge is 30 and has played 22972 minutes

brooke lopez is 27 and has played 9863 minutes
kyle o'quinn is 25 and has played 2650 minutes
d. williams is 24 and has played 6616 minutes

as has been asserted several times to you: aldridge coming here doesn't bring a title, maybe not even a conference finals. jackson knew that, aldridge knew that... but apparently melo and you don't know that.

have you seen aldridge's numbers? not a good passer, okay scorer, suspect defender, a little soft, overrated rebounder. have studied his game? how would he do in the triangle, even if he were to play the 4?

If minutes were the barometer for success, teams like the Spurs, Mavs and the Heat wouldn't win titles...

is there a point being made here?

Yes..You continue to bring up things that bare no relavence to improving the team or winning..

okay. now tell me, what expectation would you put on the knicks with aldridge here this season instead of lopez, o'quinn, williams? how much more than 25 games?

It doesn't matter now..But it would have created a foundation for the next three years or so where we could add another piece later to compete with the teams in the East, at least until the rooks get their NBA legs per se..KP will be 23 when Melo and Aldridge roll off the books..The young kids would be better seasoned with competitive playoff experience..

Lakers and Celtics of the 80s were deep teams..Its unheard of that you won't add talent because it might effect another player who is completely unproven..Especially coming off a 17 win season..Its a joke..

LMA was a big name and it seems to me that Phil didn't really want him or else he would've put on the full court press. Phil has a different plan than the one you are suggesting. Doesn't seem to make sense to hate on the roster over one free agent we didn't even make an offer to. Phil got the guys he wanted with the exception of DeAndre. I don't believe he really wanted Monroe either. DWill was the only guy not in Phil's plan from what I gather.

We still have a foundation for the next few years with a deeper more well rounded team. We can still add a free agent next year.

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:Lopez is a scrub? Care to explain because this is a fairly ridicolous and stupid comment. Unbelievable.

A 7 footer going into his 8th year whose career numbers are 5 Rebs, 1.2 blks, 0.3 stls, and are specifically in the game to do those things, you are a scrub..When u post 5pts and 4 reb per as a starting center, as an average last playoffs, you are a scrub...

Let me give you mine

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez has played low minutes early in his career, which have an impact on your rebounding overall and clearly ignore the fact that Robin Lopez is very good at getting contested rebounds--you know, the ones that actually matter- You are an idiot

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez is a damn good rim protector who kept his opponents to 48% FG at the rim last season, above elite rim protectors that include Deandre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, and Anthony Davis and was the second best rim protector in the league behind Roy Hibbert- You are an even bigger idiot

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez is great pick and roll defender(sixth best last season), something we have seriously missed, yet you call him a scrub-You are a dumbass

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez only attempted 3 shots per game in the playoffs and you use it to come to the absurd claims that he is a scrub- It makes me wonder whether or not you are being stupid on purpose...

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:Lopez is a scrub? Care to explain because this is a fairly ridicolous and stupid comment. Unbelievable.

A 7 footer going into his 8th year whose career numbers are 5 Rebs, 1.2 blks, 0.3 stls, and are specifically in the game to do those things, you are a scrub..When u post 5pts and 4 reb per as a starting center, as an average last playoffs, you are a scrub...

Excellent analysis!

Let me give you mine

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez has played low minutes early in his career, which have an impact on your rebounding overall and clearly ignore the fact that Robin Lopez is very good at getting contested rebounds--you know, the ones that actually matter- You are an idiot

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez is a damn good rim protector who kept his opponents to 48% FG at the rim last season, above elite rim protectors that include Deandre Jordan, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, and Anthony Davis and was the second best rim protector in the league behind Roy Hibbert- You are an even bigger idiot

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez is great pick and roll defender(sixth best last season), something we have seriously missed, yet you call him a scrub-You are a dumbass

When you ignore the fact that Robin Lopez only attempted 3 shots per game in the playoffs and you use it to come to the absurd claims that he is a scrub- It makes me wonder whether or not you are being stupid on purpose...

Grow up with the name calling will ya..If u are going to debate then don't be a child about it..

Fair enough, I apologize for the name calling. I will keep the personal shots off the table.

holfresh wrote:The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball..

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function...Melo rebounds at a higher clip..

The guys who are usually great at the things you can't see or measure are scrubs...Scubs own the subjective stat column..

What have I said that has not been measured? You think the numbers I have mentioned can't be seen or measured?

Per Ian Begley

Lopez allowed opponents to shoot just 48 percent at the rim last season.
Lopez ranked ahead of the following elite rim defenders: Marc Gasol, Anthony Davis, Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Not bad.
In 2013-14, Lopez’s numbers as a rim protector were more impressive. He allowed opponents to shoot 46 percent at the rim, the NBA's second-best percentage behind Roy Hibbert.
For what it's worth, the Knicks as a team ranked 11th in the NBA in opponent field goal percentage at the rim last season. Lopez should boost those numbers in 2015-16.

You think scrubs can pull off what he does? Enough with the bull **** man.

If your are a starter and only taking 3 shots per then there are probably 8 to 10 teammates your coach would rather see shoot the ball.

And please stop with the contested rebound BS..What those numbers are telling me is he either doesn't box out well to get uncontested rebounds or he doesn't have the instinct to be in the right position to maximize rebounding or he is just plain lazy and doesn't hussle...I can't understand why a 7 footer can't grab 10 boards a game when it's your primary function

This dosen't make any sense to me. If you are one of the top contested rebounders in the league, then that tells you that he is boxing out really well or is working hard to get to those rebounds. Holfresh answer me this question. Would you rather have a guy who can get you 5-7 hard earned, contested rebounds OR would you rather have a guy who will get you 8-10 uncontested rebounds?