holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

Your universe is Melo..Surely there has to be more to u than that?, no??

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:When team has a top 4 draft pick that player is usually very important to the teams future. LMA is already 30 and even with him this team isn't a title team. In just a few years KP6 could be a better player than LMA. If you don't believe that then of course you could just go all out for LMA, but if you believe in the talent of the player you drafted then you are in fact switching the focus of the team towards your young player.

I said this months ago, that once this team drafts a high pick it changes the focus of the franchise towards that player and the teams future. They have to do everything they can to help develop KP6, Jerian and all the young talent they have. The vets will be fine and are ready to produce right now. LMA wasn't the right fit if he wanted to play PF. I'm fine with taking a chance on our own top Prospect.

Detroit didn't let that stop them from winning a title...That should be the goal, not making sure your draft pick gets floor time...

who would you compare Detroit, who had expectations of deep playoff team, to the Knicks, who just came off of a 17 win season? They are too different situations.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

I like Melo and think he is a pronominal player...I don't like him enough to want to include him in my every conversation..It's been years since you have been at this..How do you do it??

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:What seems most clear to me now is that Phil wasn't really hot on Monroe or LMA. He most certainly could've put on the full court press if that was the case. He was very serious about DeAndre. After DeAndre it's clear the guys Phil ended up with are the guys he wanted IMO.

Once you get past the players we had no shot at getting, it was a very short list of players who Phil wanted in combination and we ended up with the guys he had on his list. The players Phil targeted make sense with the players we drafted and brought back. Money well spent for the most part. There's a bit more talent and upside on this roster than many are giving it credit for.

What seem clear to me is Phil is incompetent..U can't go from winning 17 games in the NBA to passing up on the best PF available...Melo and Aldridge with the right pieces can be a 50 win team next year...They can be contenders in the East..Now we are looking at a 30 win team...It doesn't make sense...

You are assuming that LMA would really have come here rather than SA. Being willing to listen doesn't mean LMA was destined to come to NY. I think Phil did the smart thing and moved on to more realistic options. Phil has opened up things for KP6 to be developed. There's no one in his way. That's going to pay dividends down the line. You seem to be only thinking about this one season. Phil is not.

As for having a 30 win team I think that's really just your own paranoia talking. I don't see how this team will be that bad. No team with quality defense is gonna end up winning only 30 games. You're buying into this notion that this team is somehow still stuck at 17 win level. That's totally false. Fully healthy even last year's team wouldn't have ended up with only 17 wins. The fact that Phil gutted the roster played a part in that as well as the other issues.

It stupid because you can't prejudge what's going to happen down the road..Phil's job is the assemble the best talent...Who know what KP will be..Phil at this point should not be concerned about KP's playing time, let the coach be concerned about that...Phil should be concerned about getting the best talent for the Knicks..I have never heard a GM not wanting on of the best players in the game at a position because it impact an unproven player's minutes..It's like Detriot saying we don't want Rasheed because it impact's Darko's minutes...It's just plain stupid...

no.

"assembling" is not what you are really saying. what you are really saying is what you have always been saying. namely, that the gm should just scoop up whatever talent is there regardless of how said talent actually fits. and then to top it off, the gm dumps that talent in the coach's lap and says "you figure it out."

that's not how it works. years of isiah thomas as gm has addled your already-feeble mind.

if you meant "assemble" as it is really meant, ie putting pieces together that fit, then you should be applauding what jackson is trying to do.

Melo is the only player on the team that is an NBA starter..Fit is not an issue...Phil isn't worried about fit, he is worried about Porzingis playing time...

no.

the context of your statement is about catering to melo. jackson has made it very clear by his draft choices that he is drafting for the knicks future, both medium and long term. phil has said that melo is the favorite son but he has to think about the knicks franchise too.

melo got his fu money but it is no longer his team. suh-weet! it is phil's team, and then fisher's team. this is the proper order of things, being ordered from the top down. the problem with the knicks since melo has been here is that it was dolan and melo's team. lunatics running the asylum. that is now over.

i look forward to the upcoming season, especially how melo conducts himself.

It has nothing to do with catering to your warped point of view...The only thing you see with regards to the Knicks is Melo, that has been proven on many boards that you post and it's sad..So having a discussion with you on this topic is pointless...

you're on tilt holfresh. what is this incoherent babble other than you throwing in the towel?

I like Melo and think he is a pronominal player...I don't like him enough to want to include him in my every conversation..It's been years since you have been at this..How do you do it??

"phenomenal".... huh-- never seen like that. what makes him so special?

school is now in session.