holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

That's what all of us "lovers" have been trying to preach this whole time.

For Me7o to take it another level, take it another notch, while he's been in Blue and Orange. Make his teammates better, make that extra pass, play some D for once.

All we ever hear are excuses....Roster this, coach that, system this, wahhhhh wahhhhhhh

Shut the phuck up and play!

You are hanging you hat on 0.6 asst per game...with Rondo, KG and Ray Allen balling with you...

5 seasons of Pierce averaging 4 assists plus before Rondo, KG, and Ray Allen.

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

really? PP played on a better team than melo's nuggets before the big three came.

for once dude, I would love to see a post that says "I was wrong" and not when its obvious and you have no choice like when melo is forced to pass.

a person who is never wrong can never be right.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

exactly ...

and we all know that Melo is a great player and a HOFer but we also know that he could be and needs to be so much better to be considered elite.

Very true. If he wants to be a top 10 player he has to play smarter.

Side note.

If you read the efficiency article I posted, take a look at where your favorite player(Westbrook) ranks.

did not see him on there.

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...

whats a scorer?

like nique?

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

Pierce is better all around. Please look at the numbers first before posting anymore:

Rk            Player From   To    G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS  DWS    WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1    Carmelo Anthony 2004 2015  830 30266 21.2 .546 .162 .385  6.0 14.6 10.3 15.9  1.5  1.0 11.1 31.8  58.1 27.9  86.0  .136   2.5 -1.2 1.4 25.6
2        Paul Pierce 1999 2015 1250 44372 20.1 .570 .291 .447  2.8 16.3  9.6 19.1  2.0  1.3 13.2 27.2  87.7 61.4 149.1  .161   3.0  0.5 3.5 62.0

Look TS%, FTr, AST%, STL%, BLK%, USG%, OWS, DWS, WS, WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.

The answer is staring you in the face, why won't you look at them!?!!

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

Pierce is better all around. Please look at the numbers first before posting anymore:

Rk            Player From   To    G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS  DWS    WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1    Carmelo Anthony 2004 2015  830 30266 21.2 .546 .162 .385  6.0 14.6 10.3 15.9  1.5  1.0 11.1 31.8  58.1 27.9  86.0  .136   2.5 -1.2 1.4 25.6
2        Paul Pierce 1999 2015 1250 44372 20.1 .570 .291 .447  2.8 16.3  9.6 19.1  2.0  1.3 13.2 27.2  87.7 61.4 149.1  .161   3.0  0.5 3.5 62.0

Look TS%, FTr, AST%, STL%, BLK%, USG%, OWS, DWS, WS, WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.

The answer is staring you in the face, why won't you look at them!?!!

holfresh drives a studabaker and does not buy into advanced stats.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

really? PP played on a better team than melo's nuggets before the big three came.

for once dude, I would love to see a post that says "I was wrong" and not when its obvious and you have no choice like when melo is forced to pass.

a person who is never wrong can never be right.

That is exactly my point..Melo's teams were winning more games than Pierce teams at that stage in their careers...Melo were logging 50 win seasons in the West with scrubs...When the big four came along, that changed everything...And it's not the big 3 it's the big 4...

melo was winning games because he had a better team.

PP plays smart regardless of how good his team is.

you can pick and choose when to change context.

That's the entire point, it all depends on who you are playing with....You are pushing the line that Pierce is better because he won Chips...

really? show me where I said that. I am saying that I don't care about the chips, they are based on too many factors. Play great and let the chips fall.

KMalone and Barkley, Nash, Stockton, ...

many great great players never one chips. Of course I don't hold that against them.

And we are moving more and more into an era that cares about efficiency and smart play and cares less about the final result (rings).

A sh1tty player that wins a ring does nothing for me. Kobe winning a ring and a finals mvp playing gross and inefficient basketball does nothing for me.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

Pierce is better all around. Please look at the numbers first before posting anymore:

Rk            Player From   To    G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS  DWS    WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1    Carmelo Anthony 2004 2015  830 30266 21.2 .546 .162 .385  6.0 14.6 10.3 15.9  1.5  1.0 11.1 31.8  58.1 27.9  86.0  .136   2.5 -1.2 1.4 25.6
2        Paul Pierce 1999 2015 1250 44372 20.1 .570 .291 .447  2.8 16.3  9.6 19.1  2.0  1.3 13.2 27.2  87.7 61.4 149.1  .161   3.0  0.5 3.5 62.0

Look TS%, FTr, AST%, STL%, BLK%, USG%, OWS, DWS, WS, WS/48, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP.

The answer is staring you in the face, why won't you look at them!?!!

holfresh drives a studabaker and does not buy into advanced stats.

It's silly..I have showed you in examples where one guy had a higher TS% because he scored his points via ft instead of from the floor...the same 2 points...The formula created that..It's stupid....And don't ask me to look it up again..You know I proved it...

ah ... then I guess its stupid.

google is stupid cause sometimes it returns a less than perfect match. That is why I go to the library to get all my info.

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

I disagree, I think Pierce was a better scorer but Melo has him on rebounding. Pierce was the better assister too.

People can argue who is the better defender all day. I would give Melo the slight edge because he can amp up his defense. I never seen Pierce defend at a high level before the "arrival.

Anyway, I still would take Pierce over Melo.

I think Melo is the better defender when he cares...He is the better rebounder and today can shoot a better three...I think Melo's three has improved since coming to the Knicks...Melo has always been the better post player...Melo has shot a better three at the high point in his career than Pierce has at his high point. stats prove it...Pierce at at 30 was never as good as Melo is today...Pierce in his prime wasn't getting double teamed night in and night out...

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Regarding Melo and Paul Pierce. Pierce was better point blank.

I disagree, Paul played with better players, period...He is in higher regard because of the Finals run...

I was actually going by their careers up to their age 30 seasons. Pierce was better and that's not a slight at Melo. Pierce is a really great player.

Better how??? And I too think Pierce is a great player..

Pierce is not a better rounder or scorer...Pierce legacy was created after the big 4 and rightfully so...

I disagree, I think Pierce was a better scorer but Melo has him on rebounding. Pierce was the better assister too.

People can argue who is the better defender all day. I would give Melo the slight edge because he can amp up his defense. I never seen Pierce defend at a high level before the "arrival.

Anyway, I still would take Pierce over Melo.

I think Melo is the better defender when he cares...He is the better rebounder and today can shoot a better three...I think Melo's three has improved since coming to the Knicks...Melo has always been the better post player...Melo has shot a better three at the high point in his career than Pierce has at his high point. stats prove it...Pierce at at 30 was never as good as Melo is today...Pierce in his prime wasn't getting double teamed night in and night out...

what is pierce better than Melo at?