WP76 wrote:We'll never know but I think Bradley's level of success in the NBA might have been significantly higher had he played another year of college basketball.

He played a year at BYU, served a two year Church mission in Australia, and then immediately declared for the draft. I think he put himself behind the eight ball in doing so. While on that two year basketball hiatus, his skills obviously atrophied. LDS missionaries have minimal time to play anything more than the occasional (a couple of hours a week max) pickup game. Their nutrition is often spotty--although in Australia I suspect he didn't starve--and he certainly had no opportunity to keep up with the game, watch tape, lift weights, etc. He should've returned to BYU, gotten back into the discipline of the sport, played for a year, and then declared for the NBA.

I also understand the argument that the best way to prepare for the NBA is to play in the NBA. In Bradley's case, I don't think that approach did him any favors.

Amazingly, he actually gained some weight during his mission, but was still relatively weak.

His body clearly seemed to have an problem metabolizing food/nutrients, IMO, but I'm not a nutritionist.

Interesting player, but KP is at a another level athletically, IMO.

Article from 1993 about Bradley that deals with his weight:

Sixers Figure Bradley Worth Weighting For
by Phil Jasner, Daily News Sports Writer
POSTED: July 09, 1993

Greg Shepard runs a business, based in Utah, called "Bigger, Stronger, Faster."

That's what Shepard, the strength coach for the NBA's Utah Jazz, does. He trains athletes to become bigger, stronger, faster.

His most recent client has been 7-6 Shawn Bradley, the 76ers' first-round draft choice. Shepard is working with Bradley on strength, flexibility and agility.

But now the Sixers are finalizing a plan for Bradley to begin his training regimen in Philadelphia, in concert with coach Fred Carter, assistants Tony DiLeo and Jeff Ruland, trainer Mike Abdenour and strength and conditioning consultant Pat Croce.

If Sixers general manager Jim Lynam can work out the details with Bradley and his agent, attorney David Falk, Bradley could be in town early next week.

He would not, however, be expected to participate in the Sixers' camp for rookies and free agents that begins Tuesday at Holy Family College, or in the six-team Arrowwood summer league in Rye, N.Y., that begins July 16.

"I would say it could be sooner rather than later," Lynam said. "This has been a mutual thing because we're in this thing together."

Shepard has been training athletes for 29 years and has been associated with the Jazz since 1981. He said he has worked with 18 athletes 7-feet or taller, including the Jazz's 7-4 Mark Eaton.

"One of the first questions about Shawn was whether the weight he gained while he was on his (Mormon) mission (in Australia) was muscle or fat," Shepard said. "We did a hydrostatic weighing with him, putting him underwater to get the most accurate measure. You get a weight, use a formula, then determine his percentage of body fat. He came up at 7.8 percent.

"When Eaton first came to the Jazz (in 1982), he weighed 280 pounds, had 18.5 percent body fat, which meant he was carrying 52 pounds of fat. But he really dedicated himself to training, got up to 300 pounds, got his body fat down to 8.5, which meant he was carrying 26 pounds of fat.

"I think Mark and Shawn have similar frames, and Shawn picks up the techniques we use as fast as anyone I've seen. He's 21, maybe could eventually weigh as much as 330. I'm not saying he should weigh that much, but he certainly could get to 280 to 300.

"The key is doing athletic things while you gain. If all you do is gain weight, then try to be athletic, it doesn't work. Shawn's aware of that. He's an athlete, I saw how much his agility and flexibility improved in the last three weeks."

When Croce sent Shepard a fax of the program he had in mind for Bradley, Shepard said he was impressed.

"Sometimes a lot of mistakes are made," Shepard said, "but what Pat sent me was similar to what I wanted to do."

Croce and Ruland originally had intended to visit with Bradley and Shepard in Utah.

The Sixers have had a terrific track record with first-round draft choices training - and even playing ball - with the team before signing contracts. They are anticipating second-round pick Alphonso Ford, a 6-2 guard from Mississippi Valley State, joining them for next week's camp sessions.

But Bradley's situation is unique, in that he played just one season for Brigham Young University and only recently has returned from the two-year mission in Australia.

"We've said from the outset that this is a unique set of circumstances and that we need to address it in a unique manner," Lynam said.

Bradley, who played collegiately at somewhere between 205 and 215 pounds, was listed in the league's predraft biography at 235 and is being listed by the Sixers at 248. All parties have agreed that he needs to train intensely before resuming competitive basketball.

"That's not to say we won't be working with him on basketball skills," Lynam said. "There's no magic to this (timetable). If he needs two or three weeks of training first, then fine."

The Sixers, though, clearly preferred Bradley training locally, rather than in Utah. Bradley's home is in Castle Dale, Utah, about three hours from Salt Lake City.

"He was going to have to relocate as it was to be near the right kind of facility," Lynam said. "But had he stayed in Salt Lake, it would've meant us communicating with his trainer as the middleman and not really being sure where the best (pickup) games for him might be. They could've been there, they could've been in Provo, we weren't positive. This way, nothing gets lost in the translation."

That's what Shepard wanted, too.

"I was real worried at first, because Shawn was going in all different directions, visiting teams and such (before the draft)," Shepard said. "I felt he should train first, then do the other things. But he did absolutely the correct thing (deciding to go to Philadelphia).

" . . . I've predicted that (the league) might someday have to raise the basket (from 10 feet) to 12 feet, maybe start having the players wear pads. I mean, players like Karl Malone (6-9, 255) and Shaquille O'Neal (7-1, 300) could be average guys in 10 years.

"If that happens, we'll start having guys 300 to 350 moving like Malone, moving better, jumping out of sight, running fast and fluid. Shawn has the potential to take basketball to another level. He's so far ahead of where Eaton was, it's not funny. What will separate Shawn is his competitive nature.

"Here's an example. I test athletes in the standing long jump - three steps. Shawn did 23 feet the first time. I said that was below average for someone his size, so he asked to do it again. I told him 25 feet would be

average, he did 25 feet, 7 inches. To me, that was phenomenal, because it was his first time. What happens if he works at it?"

In his one season at BYU, Bradley averaged 14.8 points, 7.7 rebounds and 5.21 blocks, leading the nation with 177 blocks and setting NCAA freshman records for total blocks and blocks per game. He became the Western Athletic Conference Player of the Year and helped the Cougars to a 21-13 record and a berth in the NCAA Tournament.

In three seasons at Emery (Utah) High, he averaged 20.3 points, 11.5 rebounds and 5.4 blocks, leading his teams to an aggregate record of 68-4.

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fishmike wrote:Have you tried masturbation?

I'll ask your mother. She's still in my bathroom flossing.

( If you want some from me, feel free to come get some, fishmike. Anytime, the store is always open mother ****er. The last time you stepped up to me, you said it was impossible for a veteran NBA player to work hard and learn to develop a three point shot ( i.e. how could STAT change to help the Knicks back when he was on their roster) After pointing out Jason Kidd, Spencer Hawes and Chris Bosh all put in the work and blood to do it to help their teams, you just dismissed it and went ahead and headed out with your tail between your legs. Feel free to go snitch to a Staff member, and I hope they tell you the same thing, if you don't want some, don't go looking for some. I'm talking basketball, how the league operates, market value, labor issues, trade history, positional value, etc, etc, and here you are being a total jack off.

Irony for you there. A total jack off talking about masturbation. I'll let your mom go make me a sandwich now. )

Classy

Triple, My Mom's is 78 years old. She is greatful to still be flossing what is left. SHe looks good for her age. If your a gentleman, she likes minty prewaxed floss. A gentle always leaves a fresh unopend tooth brush for his guests, a travel size tooth paste and a box of top shelf floss.
If you make her happy, she cook up a storm for you!!!!

TripleThreat wrote:

RonRon wrote:when the cap rises 20m next year, many contending teams will have the ability to trade for CA with a large trade exemption and the assets/draft picks/and younger players needed to execute the trade and match salaries

No NBA analyst or insider believes the cap will dramatically jump up that much in one season. Across a period of seasons with some type of "smoothing" option, sure, and likely after a protracted labor war.

If Melo moves at THIS seasons trade deadline, what happens to the cap in the future will have no bearing on the fact that the Knicks will have to take in a mediocre to bad contract to get a close salary match.

How many teams will Melo reasonably waive his No Trade Clause for? I mean realistically.

Out of those teams, how many will part with a franchise core to get Melo ( Quick answer - None of them)

Out of those teams, to make the salaries match enough make the trade legal, what kind of player do you think the Knicks will get at that chunk of salary? Melo is not going to a gutted team.

Kobe Bryant wanted out of the Lakers, the Bulls were interested, but what was the problem? In order to get Kobe to the Bulls, the Bulls would have to gut themselves to the point where the team could not contend with Kobe Bryant coming in. It was Bryant's No Trade Clause that leveraged the situation, but the Lakers simply refused to make a deal suitable just for Kobe Bryant's whims.

It's a two way street. The No Trade Clause means Melo can leverage where he goes and how much comes back, however making it so limited creates a pure disincentive for the Knicks to trade him at all. Unless he does what a lot of disgrunted guys do to their teams, attack their fanbase, their team mates , their franchise and dog it openly.

No one is giving up Blake Griffin for Melo. No one is giving up Jimmy Butler. They aren't even getting D'Angelo Russell.

Something like Roy Hibbert, Nick Young and Julius Randle would be the HIGHLY OPTIMISTIC AND REALISTIC RETURN. A large disposable contract, a mediocre player on an unpleasant but not totally brutal contract and an edge of the lottery type prospect.

The Clippers are not going to trade Paul, nor Griffin ( why trade the younger more marketable player?), nor clearly Jordan in any deal.

The Bulls can get 80 percent of Melo's one sided game and offensive punch for Mirotic on a bargain contract without gutting their team to do it.

Houston? Since when has Daryl Morey paid top shelf price for anything?

Who else?

Trading Melo won't be this massive wealth of options that some of you believe it will be.

This will be a bitter ugly divorce between a team and a player. Zen Master is a one of a kind savant manipulator of the media and wants to protect his waning legacy. Melo can't say three sentences without saying something team killing or idiotic to the press and doesn't seem to understand simple things like social grace, professionalism and diplomacy. This current Knicks team is not likely to make the playoffs. How do you guys think this is going to end?

It's like watching a car crash about the happen long before it happens in slow motion.

Melo is going, but it's going to be bloody and the Knicks aren't going to get the bounty that some of you think they will. Then again, some of you had these grand plans for free agency and what happened? Most of your ideas went nowhere. Most of your trade scenarios went nowhere.

Melo is a depreciating asset and the entire league ( except maybe Sacto and Denver) knows it.

That something COULD happen is different world than if it's LIKELY to happen.

The cap could jump 20 million in one offseason without a massive labor war and without the owners hedging for a smoothing option. It technically COULD happen. Then again, flying cows could rain milk all over the ghost of Charlies Hayes playing third base for the Yankees. Coke could turn into Pepsi. Briggs could stop waiting by the mailbox for a return reply from Mensa. But is it LIKELY?

best example I can give you is how Marbury was traded to the NYK's for basically an expiring and 2 future 1st round picks
While Suns used that trade exemption or cap space to sign Steve Nash to replace him and with Dantoni, they changed the evolution of the NBA game as we know it today

I am unsure what CA's trade value will be, especially coming off his injury with his age
However, his contract NO LONGER LOOKS RIDICULOUS with many other players contracts in the range of 15 over 20m like CA's contract
IMO, IF CA can return back to his former self, he can be part of a contending team, he has next year to show raise is trade value
Houston and Chicago Bulls were 2 teams that were interested in CA last season that he considered, with CA having a trade kicker and NO STATE tax, he would make much more money and be able to contend right away
While some trades would likely need a 3rd team to facilitate a trade, Houston doesn't exactly NEED a 3rd team though the Knicks and Phil Jackson would prefer to move some contracts for more value like Denver did with Felton, Brewer, Koufus, MosGoV and such talents for addition trade value for what they got by trading CA with the 2 2nd round picks from GS, 1 1st rounder unprotected, and 1 swap

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Teams that could take CA's contract and be contenders are limited, I am not looking for AN ALL STAR in return
For example, Houston, Cleveland, Chicago, are 3 teams that have the assets and salaries to match his contract, and give us future draft picks in return with some young pieces

1- Cleveland

With CA and Lebron in Cleveland, pairing him with Lebron and the friends he has in Cleveland would make sense
Kevin Love being moved to another 3rd *while we would get additional picks from a 3rd team for Kevin Love in addition to a TPE, and future draft picks from Cleveland as well

2- Rockets

Rockets would make the most sense because they are in the Western Conference and have the most assets in terms of future draft picks and young players they can afford to part with,
With CA and The Rockets, pairing him with Harden, to initiate the OFFENSE and draw double/triple teams leads to open shots for CA, and multiple DEFENDERS from Beverely, Ariza, Brewer or KJ McDaniels, D12/Clint Capela/ Montrezl Harrell, Sam Decker/Terrence Jones, DMO along with multiple draft picks is what I would need back to fit in the Triangle, and Lawson is basically an expiring with DMO and Terrence Jones being RFA next summer, Also Dwight Howard as the ability to OPT OUT next summer with a player option and sign a lower contract with more long term stability in order to sign other FA's as well

3- Chicago Bulls

Chicago Bulls and CA, with Noah being an expiring and Pau Gasol having a player option and LIKELY WILL OPT OUT of his current deal, as he lead the League in double doubles last year at his age, both are closer to Centers than PF's in the league, with other throw ins to match salary like Dunleavy, Doug McDermott, Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich, and the addition and growth of Bobby Portis, Mirotic, and even Cameron Bairstow makes some of these players expendable, even Derrick Rose and his 2years left are expendable, though some of these players would need a 3rd team to take their salaries
Chicago was still a top team, especially on DEFENSE, when they didn't have Derrick Rose, with Aaron Brooks, E'Twaun Moore, and Kirk Hinrich, his production could be replaced with the other talents such as Jimmy Butler/Pau Gasol/Noah, and then Mirotic/Bobby Portis all taking a large role
With Tony Snell's improvements, he could develop in to a Kawaii Leanard type lock down defender, at the SG/SF, not the MVP Leanard but the role player that he was in the first 2-3 seasons of his career, not saying he can not continue to improve the way Leanard has to the player he is today, especially with Jimmy Butler next to him

Besides Derrick Rose, all of these talents have serviceable contracts have cap friendly contracts with mainly 2years left on their contracts besides a resigned Dunleavey which signed an extension at 3years and 14m and is a HIGH IQ players to spread the floor and is still a bargain with contracts now

I am not expecting Jimmy Butler either, with Cleveland it would take another team to take Kevin Love's contract
Also there would be the 150% rule in place as well for some of the teams

While there could be other teams that could also contend with CA, like OKC, especially if Durant/Westbrook prefer to play with another team than play together as the ALPHA and #1 option
With the rise of the cap of about 20m next year, many teams can give a large trade exemption for CA's contract, or/and other teams can sign multiple TOP TIER talents and trade for CA like Suns/Boston/Philly *that has the assets to do so and cap space to sign other TOP TIER talents*

By next season, I would like to add Whiteside who will be UFA, likely demanding a MAX that would be under 20m per year or NEAR MAX deal
If we can sign Whiteside, I would prefer to move Robin Lopez and could be deal to a team in need of a Center, especially if he plays well this season for us to a team like Chicago who may lose both Noah and Gasol as UFA next year

Even without trading CA, Lopez, and Calderon (expires when Westbrook becomes a FA with the expiring contracts of Affalo, Derrick Williams and Calderon)
We still have the ability to sign Whiteside, Westbrook, and still trade for Shabazz Muhammad while playing the Q/O on him in extending him AFTER we sign other players first like Kawaii and Spurs did this summer
Those 3 talents would make us LEGIT contenders by themselves, possibly even favorites in the ENTIRE EASTERN CONFERENCE

Though if we trade CA and Lopez, along with Affalo/Derrick Williams, we can possibly better spend their money on other talents and gain assets in draft picks/other players that would fit in Triangle
We actually can sign Whiteside and Westbrook as UFA with the rise of the cap of 20m each season in the next 2 years, and still trade for Shabazz Muhammad and extend him AFTER signing Westbrook while placing the Qualifying OFFER on him and resigning him AFTER like Spurs just did with Kawaii Leanard

Possibly David Lee and Pau Gasol as well on cap friendly deals
some role players I would target on LOW contracts include, James Johnson, Randy Foye, both of which a UFA along with Jeff Taylor and/or Ray McCallum

2 years from now, I would like to add Westbrook and Shabazz Muhammad, with 2 players that can penetrate and get the rim with their physical abilities and can POST UP as well
However, they could be available to us in a trade by next year and would allow us to contend right away, with Westbrook/OKC getting 2 1st rounders and Muhammad and Twovles getting 1 1st rounder

I would use draft picks to acquire both players, with Westbrook, only if he forces his way to New York and gives us leverage that CA was suppose to do, and Muhammad is a player that Twovles might not want to pay to keep with their young core that will eventually get HUGE contracts
Tony Wroten could be another option as well, that will be a RFA next year, if we were can not lure Westbrook over and he recovers from his surgery/injury this year
We need to add a couple of playmakers that could penetrate and finish with contact, that can also create and facilitate with consistency, that we currently lack on our roster
Not sure if we still own Shved's bird rights next year, with him returning to Europe this year with opt outs to return to the NBA

We can add Whiteside, Westbrook, and Shabazz Muhammad and their salaries even with CA and Robin Lopez on the roster, however, if we can move both players in CA and Robin Lopez, it would give us greater financial flexibility and possible other assets/young players and draft picks
I also like Isiah Thomas and think he is very under rated and could be a quality backup at a cap friendly contract
We need multiple talents that can penetrate/finish with contract, and create their own and and create for the team, and have the ability to facilitate consistently

2 season from now, possibly 1 year with trades
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PG/SG Westbrook

PG/SG/SF Thanasis Affalo/if Grant with Westbrook playing SG (depending on the match up we are playing) *with Thanasis, he could be used to INITIATE OUR DEFENSE, alternating with Westbrook at times, against PG's like Iman was used in his rookie season, to HARASS the opponents PG's and primary ball handler/facilitator/creator, while we have other quick/mobile/athletic/with length for their positions to play the passing lanes while Thanasis/Westbrook are used to initiate our DEFENSE and harass the PG's, that would wear the opponents PG's down and force another player to handle the ball that Westbrook could also play aggressively

SG/SF Shabazz Muhammad

PF/C KP

PF/C Whiteside

This starting lineup has

1- 4 3pt shooters that can spread the floor for, with Thanasis needing 2 seasons at latest to work on his 3pt shot with his work ethic and will be likely at least a baseline 3pt shooting like Bruce Bowen
Working with David Hopla who is our current shooting coach and part of our development coaches that I think we should upgrade

2- 5 players that can all POST UP, along with PnR's that we could use to provide more spacing/mismatches if we want, and playing in a system that is interchangeable to find and abuse the mismatch with the power to dominate our opponents with high % points

3- With at least 2 players that can penetrate and finish through contact and create/facilitate *With Westbrook on the RIGHT SIDE and Shabazz as a lefty on left side* with the spacing and scoring presence the other players provide, with many PnR options as well, and the hammer play the execute
possibly 3 players to penetrate/create/facilitate, if we do not use Thanasis, no even including KP and if he improves like Dirk could also play some point/forward/center

Other options till Westbrook becomes a UFA, starting with Tony Wroten who has surgery on his knee last season and will likely need another year to recover and get back in NBA shape and will be RFA NEXT YEAR
Though he is recovering from surgery, he may be available for a fraction of the price as he gets back in NBA shape
While showcasing how Wroten and Shved could execute and perform well in the Triangle and then Westbrook would DOMINATE as a UFA the following year
If we can acquire Tony Wroten who is a RFA next summer who was one of leagues TOP TIER PG/SG's in terms of penetration and finishing through contract, while drawing double/triple teams to create and facilitate
Which also has good size and great physical abilities like a John Wall, James Harden, and a YOUNG Manu

While Russ Smith *could have a break out year this season* and Isiah Thomas, maybe DJ Augustine, could also provide a poor mans version, and could be kept as our backup PG's on cap friendly deals

The traditional POINT GUARDS for Phil Jackson include Randy Foye *sniper* and Spencer Dinwiddie *like Brian Shaw/Ron Harper*, who both have great size at PG, while Foye is a very good shooter and Dwinwiddie has the intanchibles, DEFENSE, HIGH IQ/TOUGHNESS, and size the PJ would have seeked, though Derek Fisher is coaching and will be implementing some changes within the system like Brian Shaw and Steve Kerr/Alvin Gentry have done as the league and Triangle can continue to evolve

Bench with many versatile talents
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Grant
Affalo (both Affalo and Derrick Williams have 2year contracts at best and will be UFA 2years later that we could go with cheaper options to better spend our money) possibly Randy Foye
James Johnson
David Lee
Pau Gasol

Isiah Thomas
Jeff Taylor
Ledo or whoever, may be available from the draft picks with trading CA/Lopez, or even Derrick Williams
Kyle O Quin
Justin Hamilton (possibly Mike Muscula in a trade with his low cap hold at a vet min and extend last like Spurs did with Kawaii Leanard to give us 5 3pt shooters in a rotation)

This would be a team that would be able to contend and could FIT if we are able to move CA and Robin Lopez
We actually can sign Whiteside, Westbrook, and trade for Shabazz Muhammad, even if we didn't trade CA and Robin Lopez

Next summer
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1- Next summer Whiteside is a UFA as NO TEAM HAS THE BIRD RIGHTS FOR HIM, including Miami, so the max he can earn with a max like contract of under 20m would be at a 4year deal, likely player option for 4th
Along with many quality players such as Battum, Pau Gasol/Noah and many other Centers such as MosGoV, Al Jefferson/Hibbert, and Al Horford at PF/C with KP eventually playing Center a couple years from now
Would have liked to see Wilson Chandler and/or Gallo return on cap friendly deals

Though I would like to add Battum, would have to see how he plays this year, and if last seasons struggles were because of his wrist or other reasons...

While David Lee would be a quality backup to play a Lamar Odom type role at backup money that talents like Lavoy Allen/Ajinicia and Ed Davis/Koufus got this summer, Lee would be 33years of age NEXT season, so this would be his FINAL contract and could take much less to secure a 4year deal in a system that fits skill set, with a team that can CONTEND, and allows him to play a bigger role than majority of last year with GS
His skill set and knowledge in GS would transfer well for the Triangle, a contract in the range of 4m - 7.5m on a multiyear deal or a short term deal that pays him more like a 1-2year deal will be his choice

Pau Gasol has a player option of $7,769,520, however, after leading the season with double doubles last season, he may find a much higher salary with the rise of the cap next year
Like David Lee, I would like to add him at a cap friendly deal of 4years despite being 36years of age next season
Whether we sign him to a short term deal or give him a long term deal with 1-2years he would speed up the development of KP
Also give him a job as a scout, coaching/development, or in the front office, of his choice, with a high salary as an incentive, we can also pay him the final year of service as a loophole for him taking less to join our team, if we do add Gasol, I would not be surprised if we reunited him with Kobe on our bench on a vet min deal for to compete for a ring and continue to chase his records to break as he has worked very hard to rehab and get in NBA shape just to call it quits
With LA having no interest in his return because they are unable to attract talent that wants to be their with Kobe's EGO issues, it gives him an incentive to play 1 and maybe 2 seasons with a team that can contend if we are able to add such pieces to the puzzle and the improvements/development of KP, Grant, our other players, the system, and Fisher as a coach

role players after like on LOW contract deals from vet min to 2-3m

- James Johnson
- Randy Foye, DJ Augustine, Aaron Brooks/ E'Twaun Moore
- Jeff Taylor
- Justin Hamilton

2 Seasons from now
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2- For Westbrook, he will be a UFA 2years later, and could seek the bright lights of NYK's as he LOVES ATTENTION and would allow him to have much more marketable on building his brand and endorsements with NYK's fanbase

3- Shabazz Muhammad G/F would need to be traded to us in order for us to resign him with his qualifying offer, and has is a RFA that we can resign AFTER we use our cap space to build our team like Kawaii Leanard did with The Spurs this year with a qualifying offer of under 5m
Calderons contract will expire the same time Westbrook becomes a FA, with the cap jumping about 20m each year for the next 2 consecutive seasons

With Lebron being older 2years down the road, we would be a TOP team in the East with this lineup/rotation
For the next 5-7years this would easily be the #1 team in the East to contend for a RING along with KP's development

Just dominating maybe the most athletic center in history David Robinson:

Blocks Robinson twice in a row:

Just utterly dominant but with outstanding Bball IQ and great use of his 7'4 frame:

ChuckBuck wrote:Since we're doing throwback comparisons, here's mine. If he could beef up to Arvydas Sabonis pre NBA and pre knee issues.

Just dominating maybe the most athletic center in history David Robinson:

Blocks Robinson twice in a row:

Just utterly dominant but with outstanding Bball IQ and great use of his 7'4 frame:

Love this comparison. I think KP becomes a center by the time he fills out. This feels the closest to being accurate.

WaltLongmire wrote:Extremely doubtful that KP will ever have the brutish strength of a Sabonis unless he has a talk with A Rod, the 2 time PED user whose resurgence at age 40 has seemingly made fans forget about his past.

I think a best case scenario for Knicks fans is KP has a 2 stage career.

Starts the first few years as that tweener F/C and just out skills and out lengths people as he fills in his body similar to Dirk and Pau.

Entering his prime years and 2nd half of his career, he'll be able to body people in the post more in the prime Sabonis mold.

WaltLongmire wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Extremely doubtful that KP will ever have the brutish strength of a Sabonis unless he has a talk with A Rod, the 2 time PED user whose resurgence at age 40 has seemingly made fans forget about his past.

I think a best case scenario for Knicks fans is KP has a 2 stage career.

Starts the first few years as that tweener F/C and just out skills and out lengths people as he fills in his body similar to Dirk and Pau.

Entering his prime years and 2nd half of his career, he'll be able to body people in the post more in the prime Sabonis mold.

I would look for him to be more like KG/Anthony Davis/McHale if his body really develops. Long, strong, and quick- that's what I'm looking for.

You hope that he develops some signature moves in the post...Still amazes me that ANY guy his size does not have an automatic hook shot, a la Jabbar, in his post-up repertoire.

I shudder at the thought at Kristaps developing a hook shot or unstoppable post move once he puts on 15-20 lbs.

Very scary thought...would be amazing for us. Just loving the few glimpses of rim protection he's giving us so far. Been awhile since we have real rim protector since Ewing.

Rookie wrote:

Nalod wrote:KP and Bradley should not ever be compared.

Hahahha....vindicated. It would seem that Phil and I both know what we are talking about. http://nypost.com/2015/08/17/phil-jacksons-big-porzingis-fear-the-next-shawn-bradley/

“Like Shawn Bradley, who was nevertheless a pretty good player, [Porzingis] might almost be too tall for the game,” Jackson said of the 7-foot-3 prospect. “What I mean is that his core strength might never be good enough, and that he might not be able to get low enough to get himself into prime defensive position to body power rebounders or drivers.”

Whats wrong with 20pts and 4blocks? If he's Bradley, thats not a bad thing. But there's a posibility he could be better! Maybe a mix between Bradley and Dirk? Eitherway, it's a good gamble at pick 4......I think Bradley was a little too tall, and never developed any core strength. KP is 3 inches shorter, and stronger than Bradley was as a rookie.