Jax had a number in mind and NDour's agent did as well. No malice on either side. NDour gets a great opportunity to showcase what he can do with the Mavs now, and potentially play for an even bigger long term contract.

NDour was a longshot to makes the Knicks roster with all the smalls and power forwards we have. He would've taken minutes away from Kristaps and O'Quinn at the 4, and when they go small, no way would he usurp Melo's minutes.

We all love the effort and energy that he showed us in SL. That said, he's an end of the bench guy, and nothing to get worked up about.

If the triangle system can turn a no name guy into a multi million dollar NBA player, then imagine how many undrafted players will be lined up every summer. Also think about the free agents next year, looking to increase their stock value.

If you have a jumper and can play defense, come to the knicks and we will either make you a millionaire or triple your worth.

I believe every smart talented team player would love playing in a structured system. Nobody with high basketball IQ and real skills, wants to play on an iso team, where every possession you just stand in the corner and watch others dribble out the shot clock.

I hope NDour shines and becomes this great NBA story......Similar to how Lins career started. NDour is still one of my best summer league players. And I think he will have a long NBA career.

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:That sucks. The guy wanted to be a knick. Looked like a really good player. I don't mind Shved. This one hurts.

Absolutely. So pissed off over this I can spit. F anyone who thinks I'm overreacting. We've done a terrible job putting the finishing touches on this roster it makes me sick..

I think you overreact about a lot of things and this is one of them.

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:What did Cuban give him? Anyone know??

I can't find anything. It sounds like training camp invites with partial guarantees but the Mavs guaranteed more money. Not sure though. It also sounds like he had a better shot of making the 15 man roster in Dallas.

I can't find much either. This has a little insight:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/23/knicks-summer-league-standout-maurice-ndour-headed-to-mavericks-training-camp/

I get the same feeling -- we're talking a TC invite offer with more guaranteed money. Doesn't even sound like it was a automatic roster spot type of deal...Also sounds to me like we lowballed yet another player, the first being Shved. So frustrating. I mean WTF are they doing????!!!!??? Offer A TOP TC offer!! Why nickel and dime the guy??? How do you let Cuban come in a steal this player away with a better TC offer? WTF is that ****?? It's laughable.

Shved got more money than the Knicks could possibly have offered him. And it seemed like he wanted to go back to Europe, Russia specifically.

How can you say that? You don't see what happened here dude? Come on--read between the lines -- If we would've said to this guy, "Alexey, JOB WELL DONE, brah! We want you back. No question about it--as soon as we sign the bulk of our outside FAs, we'll be at the cap and can use the room exception of 2.8mm--we want to use it on you"! If we had approached him like that, he'd still be here. I'd bet any amount of money on it. I bet we never approached him like that--I don't think we professed any excitement over bringing him back at all and lowballed him with a vet minimum offer and never budged off it. I get the feeling that's how Phil conducts business -- meanwhile, a guy like Cuban comes across as much more enthusiastic and adamant about getting what he wants. And guess what--that's how ya gotta be!!! I mean look at the Greg Monroe ****, how we didn't offer him a max contract (which I firmly believe btw). That dude was only linked to us for months. Midnight rolls around on the 1st day of FA and we don't offer him a max offer? WTF was that about?? This dude could've been a 20/10 rock inside for us for years to come.. I don't think we made the necessary, proper offer...Now reports are surfacing that we were looking to force the C spot on LaMarcus Aldridge and that we cancelled the meeting? Can you believe that ****?? Worked out Elliot Williams, a guard with versatility and plenty of talent to get back in the NBA, we have a dire need for backcourt depth and haven't made an offer as of yet (I think we would've heard if we did, even if one was rejected). My bet is we failed to make the man an offer or lowballed yet another guy...I firmly believe we had a chance to sign JaMychal Green last year and ****ed that up too. Now Ndour -- I mean we lost this guy over a better ****ing TC offer? WOW...Anyone else see a pattern here??

How do you know that they didn't say exactly that to Shved?

Don't you know how he knows?? He reads between the lines. Lol

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:That sucks. The guy wanted to be a knick. Looked like a really good player. I don't mind Shved. This one hurts.

Absolutely. So pissed off over this I can spit. F anyone who thinks I'm overreacting. We've done a terrible job putting the finishing touches on this roster it makes me sick..

Yup...this was painful. You always want to keep your "discovery" type players.

Now you wish he had just played on another SL team.

I think I felt something similar when we lost Copeland, although I don't think he ever became the player I thought he could be.

Funny, but if you look at some of the recent "wow they're not bad" pickups we've had in our hands at one point- Fields, Lin, Copeland, Mosgov...only Mosgov has done anything significant, yet I was unhappy with losing them all. (at the time we lost them)

Good points on Lin, Cope and Fields and you can definitely link those guys to Shved and Ndour. People need to realize that what we saw from Shved with us last year was on our depleted team and most of his floor time with us came late in games against lesser talent besides the few games he ended up starting for us and everything we saw from Ndour was in the SL against teams that can be beaten by college teams cause SL teams are mostly undrafted players that will never be in the NBA and euro players that will never be in the NBA and players that are career D-League players which will never be in the NBA and out of the 5 games he played he only had one really good game and a couple of decent games and a game or two where he looked like a undrafted free agent. I clearly put it out on here how much I wanted both Shved and Ndour to be on next year's team especially Shved who i wanted more than anyone on here but there's no way in H*** i'm gonna go crazy about losing either one like some on here that are overreacting to what was seen from them. I'm still hoping we can get Shved to come back to the Knicks next summer after he goes and kills it in Europe next year which he left open to be done.

nixluva wrote:

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:

GetThePipe wrote:People are acting as if we lost out on some great young talent. He's a deep bench player, c'mon now.

Well, HE IS YOUNG TALENT that has a GOOD PHYSICAL PHYSICAL SKILLS FOR SOMEONE HIS SIZE
We found a gem, is he an ALL STAR now?
NO absolutely NOT, however, how did Draymond Green do his first 2 seasons in the League?
He was at the end of the bench that barely played and that is exactly our point, he is a player that is surely worth developing to find out, playing 4 years of college

N Dour put up impressive stats every season at SF/PF with a good mid range shot already and 3pt range in college being
He was a 20 and 10 in college with multiple steals and blocks in many games his last 2 seasons
After watching the Summer League you could why and that he is legit, with the ability to take it to the next level
Though he listed at 200pds, he surely could add some weight and get stronger, who knows if he can be developed in to STARTING material, but he is worth a roster spot to find out

Also, he was really likeable. He just hustled and worked hard. Whenever I saw him interviewed he was talking about how happy he was for his teammates. I don't know if the smart thing with those last two spots is to look for vets. Maybe a guy like Brand provides leadership and helps the young guys etc. but it seems like Ndour was the guy from the sl to sign.

N Dour didn't seem like he was 200 pds to me though, he did not get pushed around and he was extremely active
With a high motor on both ends, running down the floor, finishing through contact defending, challenging shots, and rebounded well, with versatility on both ends of the floor...
What more can you ask for?
His skills, style of play, high motor, soft touch, good cuts, and his physical abilities with size/athleticism/length/mobility ALL TRANSLATE in TODAYS game in multiple positions that he could play from SF through Center in small ball like Draymond Green at the 5, when he gains weight/strength

Yep, we knew from the way he played that he was going to be in demand BECAUSE HE GOT SKILLS THAT TRANSLATE and he is YOUNG and CHEAP

Crush, IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS A GOOD LOCKER ROOM PRESENCE, HIGH CHARACTER, and HE COULD PLAY, unlike Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas
That is why THAT IS SUCH BS, that we wasted 2 roster spots on those 2 scrubs, while there are plenty of players that can bring that attitude
They are both 15th man on our roster that cost 3m, it was a horrible decision to sign them to make Fisher's life easier
Fisher was simply NOT ready for this job
He had 0 thoughts of COACHING till he saw Jason Kidd and Steve Kerr get 5m per season, while he was still playing for OKC at the time...

That would be such BS, Crush, we signed a bunch of "high character" talents that lack skill already, we need players that will be part of our roster moving forward
I have a feeling this is about Fisher inability to coach, so he gets a bunch of VETS and YES SIR's, players....

If that is true, that is why we will trouble attracting talent to come in the next couple of years, especially TOP TIER talents that we will need if we are going to be contenders...

WTF are you attacking Fish for? You and others have been making this trope about Fish not being a good coach when really he's no different from other young coaches who had a shaky start with a team that had injuries early on and a roster that wasn't exactly a title contender to begin with, but his big difference is that Phil decided to trash the roster and basically start over in addition.

Jason Kidd was shaky at 1st too. There were people saying Kidd should be fired. No one expected Fish to be perfect right out of the gate and injuries and some stubborn guys didn't help. After the trade you could actually see a bit more clearly what Fish's actual coaching acumen was. People got pissed cuz Fish won games. If it was true that he sucked as bad as people say, he shouldn't have won any games after they trashed the roster. We had almost nothing on the roster after the trade and Melo shut it down. How did Fish manage to get the players to play well enough to even win 12 games?

Any coach is going to ask his GM for the players he likes. That's just normal, but it's up to the GM to make the final decision and if he believes he can get better players then he should. The Knicks as a group wanted to bring back Thomas and Amundson. Neither guy is a major rotation guy. Neither will the next couple of players we add to the roster be likely to be rotation guys. People are getting bent out of shape over end of the bench guys.

I think it's quite comical how bent out of shape some are getting about the end of the bench guys and that they act like they know so much about basketball but they don't even understand that you need certain types of players on and off the court and in the locker room to build team chemistry and the right culture with the team. Fisher has said it many times how much Lance and Lou helped team chemistry and helped change the culture when we got them last year but some people just want to brush that off like it means nothing even though the head coach/president and GM are saying it does.

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Why do people think we are the center of the world? He went to a team where he will get more playing time and more money. Immediately after training camp he said fit was important, so playing time was probably important to him. Why do you work yourselves up into a frenzy over conjecture that you convince yourself is fact?

No, he left reportedly, because the Knicks did not want to give him partially guaranteed money. That's 200-500k for a vet min contract in a summer where the Knicks will have 19m or more in space.

He was a rookie that looked like he belonged and worth the money. It just puzzling when you see Amundson/Thomas and Williams get overpaid and a young talent not get picked up for chump change.

He looked like he belonged where exactly? In the D-League cause that's the only competition we saw him play against?