TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The best comparison i heard came from Wally and A.Hahn earlier in the season where they said he looks like he could be a Rod Strickland type of player. Again that was early in the season and with him not showing much growth yet whether that be because of himself or not getting playing time i can still see him turning into that type of player but he's gonna need a lot more time than any of us were hoping.

at this point I would be happy with him being a charlie ward.

Or, maybe this is just not the offense for him and he is more suited (like most) for heavy PnR. Look how good larkin is doing.

The Latter.

From what I have seen in college, Jerian Grant has THRIVED in a pick and roll situations. Grant is a seriously gifted passer in a PnR, so when you give him many options coming off a pick, he will make some fantastic plays for the team because he usually made the best and most efficient option.
For instance:

Grant was statistically the best pick-and-roll player in the NCAA last season at Notre Dame and has already shown plenty of chemistry with Kristaps Porzingis working off the P&R, with Kristaps shooting 62.5 percent on passes from Grant.

Jerian’s ability and willingness to get out and run both in transition and in the half-court is the type of thing that can spark an offense and get the entire team moving quicker, a welcome change to a Knicks offense that seems to be falling into it’s old habits of ball watching.

When the defense committed to Grant on the pick-and-roll, he was even more effective. The Fighting Irish scored an average of 1.1 points per play in those situations, which ranked in the 90th percentile in Division I.

“Obviously coming in, you’re not going to have the ball in your hands as much. When that’s been your game to kind of create with the ball in your hands off ball screens and such, it’s an adjustment to find other ways to affect the game.”

“For sure, it’s a lot different. As a point guard coming into the league you think it’s just going to be a bunch of ball screens for you but in this offense, that’s not what (the triangle) is,” Grant said. “It’s more of getting people lined up and just kind of cutting and spotting up for jump shots. So it’s just an adjustment where I can use my game to be effective.”

Another thing that I liked that he did in Summer league and in college is his how he could well he could post up and pass. I don't know why he stopped doing that. Here is some numbers to back it up:

A shade under 60% of Grant's post-ups resulted in passes, which resulted in 1.54 points per possession on such plays, which is a terrific number. The Triangle requires players who can post and who can make the smartest pass out of double-teams.

It is killing me here. A player who has the IT factor for making others better, a point guard who was the best (out of a draft filled with very talented PGs such as a (Rozier, Mudiay, Russell,)) at pick and roll, a concept that we see in practically all NBA teams set up, is being wasted at the expense of trying to force a system that clearly is not working for him or the rest of our players except for Afflalo.

He could push he ball in Transition and probe the Defense for easy scores but he doesn't.
He could take the open jumpers that he's being given but he doesn't.
He could call for a Drag Screen and treat that as a PnR but he doesn't.
When he gets the ball back he has more control over what happens than he realizes but he's not being aggressive and just making plays.
He's sticking so hard to the basics of the Triangle that he's no longer playing the game and improvising on instinct.

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:[Grant]'s sticking so hard to the basics of the Triangle that he's no longer playing the game and improvising on instinct.

And this is not an Xs and Os problem -- it's an in-his-head problem.

Unlike other systems, the Triangle has a solution for this -- increased mindfulness. I'm a little surprised he's not more ready for the NBA in that respect, considering his family background. I was expecting he would be.

And unfortunately, he's not getting the chance to learn from games and practice -- Knicks can't afford it.

I wonder what the negative of sending him to D-League would be (?)

that's why its silly to over expect from rookies. I was trying to temper expectations about rookies but to no avail. Knick fans are just illogical too often.

mreinman wrote:

TheGame wrote:Grant looks like a solid PG who can shoot and pass. He should have no probably being serviceable, and I think he can get to borderline All-Star level. Derick Harper is a good comp, but I think Grant will be a better scorer. I think the kid will be a 17 pt, 8 ast, 3 RPG, 1 stl type guy.

based on what? Do you know how many guards picked in the first rounds were complete busts?

last offseason many fans were convinced that THJ was the next reggie miller. Now he looks like the next reggie williams.

He can't shoot past 10 feet. Does not see the floor well for an NBA point guard. And needs to work on his game going left. Yes, agree, goal is serviceable. People are blinded by hope. The NBA wasteland
Is loaded with point guards that couldn't make it.

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:The best comparison i heard came from Wally and A.Hahn earlier in the season where they said he looks like he could be a Rod Strickland type of player. Again that was early in the season and with him not showing much growth yet whether that be because of himself or not getting playing time i can still see him turning into that type of player but he's gonna need a lot more time than any of us were hoping.

at this point I would be happy with him being a charlie ward.

Or, maybe this is just not the offense for him and he is more suited (like most) for heavy PnR. Look how good larkin is doing.

The Latter.

From what I have seen in college, Jerian Grant has THRIVED in a pick and roll situations. Grant is a seriously gifted passer in a PnR, so when you give him many options coming off a pick, he will make some fantastic plays for the team because he usually made the best and most efficient option.
For instance:

Grant was statistically the best pick-and-roll player in the NCAA last season at Notre Dame and has already shown plenty of chemistry with Kristaps Porzingis working off the P&R, with Kristaps shooting 62.5 percent on passes from Grant.

Jerian’s ability and willingness to get out and run both in transition and in the half-court is the type of thing that can spark an offense and get the entire team moving quicker, a welcome change to a Knicks offense that seems to be falling into it’s old habits of ball watching.

When the defense committed to Grant on the pick-and-roll, he was even more effective. The Fighting Irish scored an average of 1.1 points per play in those situations, which ranked in the 90th percentile in Division I.

“Obviously coming in, you’re not going to have the ball in your hands as much. When that’s been your game to kind of create with the ball in your hands off ball screens and such, it’s an adjustment to find other ways to affect the game.”

“For sure, it’s a lot different. As a point guard coming into the league you think it’s just going to be a bunch of ball screens for you but in this offense, that’s not what (the triangle) is,” Grant said. “It’s more of getting people lined up and just kind of cutting and spotting up for jump shots. So it’s just an adjustment where I can use my game to be effective.”

Another thing that I liked that he did in Summer league and in college is his how he could well he could post up and pass. I don't know why he stopped doing that. Here is some numbers to back it up:

A shade under 60% of Grant's post-ups resulted in passes, which resulted in 1.54 points per possession on such plays, which is a terrific number. The Triangle requires players who can post and who can make the smartest pass out of double-teams.

It is killing me here. A player who has the IT factor for making others better, a point guard who was the best (out of a draft filled with very talented PGs such as a (Rozier, Mudiay, Russell,)) at pick and roll, a concept that we see in practically all NBA teams set up, is being wasted at the expense of trying to force a system that clearly is not working for him or the rest of our players except for Afflalo.

What a very strange take on the Triangle and Grant. It's not the system that is Grant's problem but rather Grant himself. He has to learn how to exploit his talents in this system and it's not as hard as he's making it for himself. It was easier for him when he had to just run a PnR but there is still more to the game that PnR.

He could push he ball in Transition and probe the Defense for easy scores but he doesn't.
He could take the open jumpers that he's being given but he doesn't.
He could call for a Drag Screen and treat that as a PnR but he doesn't.
When he gets the ball back he has more control over what happens than he realizes but he's not being aggressive and just making plays.
He's sticking so hard to the basics of the Triangle that he's no longer playing the game and improvising on instinct.

Fair enough.