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gunsnewing
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7/21/2015  2:06 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:It is nice to read actual quotes from Phil and not what a writer thinks he would say.

I think it is a bad move for a President of BBO to put this stuff out there. Yes they know he did it in the past but the past is the past and you don't need to remind people of how the new culture you are implementing is about sullying players name giving out inside info.

That could hurt trying to get some FAs.

I don't think Phil is worried about that. The kind of players Phil is looking for aren't Knuckleheads and aren't gonna be put off by some frank words. I don't think it was necessary for Phil to allow his private meetings to get out there but in the end I don't think it's gonna really be a problem down the line. The main thing Phil has to worry about is whether his team will win. If they win he has nothing to worry about but if what he's done doesn't work then it all comes crashing down and no FA will come anyway.

This isn't about knuckleheads, it's more about trust. It's one thing for a coach to say things it's another thing for a President to say something. It is about can a FA trust you.

am not saying it will be a problem but that it could be and if it is possible why do things that could effect your ability on getting a player you want. Players and agent talk.

It's about setting the record straight to fans and media going ape $h!t with speculation on why we didn't get more "value" back for Shump and JR. These guys were hurting the team - plain and simple.

That doesn't set the record straight on why they didn't get proper value because other teams did not know what was going on. Dion Waiters is a worse basketball player than Shump and JR and had team related issues but did that stop the Cavs from getting a 1st? Know, who you trading with and the value they have for the players.

Exactly.'complete inexperience from Phil & Fisher.

It's a good thing we have a dope like Steve Mills for them to fall back on.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Phil needs a younger well respected basketball mind as his GM. Someone who is familiar with the inner workings of the NBA today in 2015 and understands the cap and value of getting back picks. Someone who well will all be comfortable with handing the franchise over to once Phil hangs it up.

Ya'll comfortable with Mills & Isiah?

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7/21/2015  2:07 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:

Glad that we have confirmation that Melo is a selfish prick for playing in the allstar game to further his brand when he could've had the surgery in December instead of Feb

Yup.

Melo: 1)Celebrity first 2)Basketball player Second

I can pretty much guarantee that Dolan wanted Melo starting in the All-Star game at MSG.

This organization has its priorities wrong from the top down - don't forget that.

I think Phil is trying to change that, but Dolan is always always always lurking.

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7/21/2015  2:10 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Clean wrote:I find it funny that the way the players were acting was not considered classless and making it public was. It is almost like the agent has a well known bias to one side.
Also, it sends a message that if you are going to the knicks there are expectations of professionalism. JR and his antics were part of why guys in the media ridiculed the Knicks.

Yea I have no problem with Phil does this. Maybe we will stop attacking dunces and regrets for once and actually attract players who get it

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7/21/2015  2:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:

Glad that we have confirmation that Melo is a selfish prick for playing in the allstar game to further his brand when he could've had the surgery in December instead of Feb

Yup.

Melo: 1)Celebrity first 2)Basketball player Second

I can pretty much guarantee that Dolan wanted Melo starting in the All-Star game at MSG.

This organization has its priorities wrong from the top down - don't forget that.

I think Phil is trying to change that, but Dolan is always always always lurking.

Yea Dolan is the reason Melo is still here for $24mil per for another 4yrs

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7/21/2015  2:23 PM
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:The Shumpert stuff was also said the previous season- he seems like a nice guy to have on your team when winning, but tough to endure when losing. I get that that is because he hates losing, so I'm not going to trash him for that.

Naive. The guy is in a contract year, team is losing and he is not putting up numbers. Thats a lot of pressure for a young player to be looking at.

My take is they guy was "Me first". Its a business. At some point Phil knew he would not resign him and Shump got to the right team and got paid. He should be very grateful knicks put him in that positions. He said, he liked him.

Thank You Nalod.

Shumperts "issues" which to me they weren't issues since I always appreciated him and Tyson speaking the truth about Woodson and his catering to Melo's stat sheet instead of teaching team ball.

Those "issues" we're not that serious and easily correctable by promoting team play and winning. So yes Shump was traded because he was due for a raise and he has yet to live up to his full potential so I definitely understood trading him. Should've got back more than a 2019 2nd re pick from OKC though. Same with the Tyson trade

The reason why Phil got rid of JR was...

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