gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:1. Can't make proclamations on summer league. If so, Jeremy Tyler is a god.
2. Even if Mundiay/Melo can make playoffs, whats the ceiling?

From what I have seen of KP is not ming blowing until the fact that he is SEVEN FOOT FUCKIG THREE!!! and doing this ****!!

Some are very short oriented. A few summer league games and we gonna get all "told ya so". Phill did what no body thought he'd do, think long term and not build around the here and now for Melo. If thats what ya want, then sorry.

Does this mean we automatically trade Melo at some point? Not sure, its a fluid situation. Thats why no proclamations for a few years.

Agreed. Let people focus on Summer league stats while KP continues to display his guard skills at 7'3 and quickness on both ends

KP should not be displaying his guard skills. He needs to forget he has these skills, play center and park in the low post. lets forget about the curls and screens that he can shoot off like a guard. Lets forget about his smooth shot from ANYWHERE on the court. Lets forget about his pump faking from 3 and breaking down the defense.

I think that KP should park in the post and Carmelo should be his decoy as a catch and shoot MDA type player.

Oh sh1t! I just realized ... if we keep our toothpick giant near the basket, he has about a ZERO chance to get an offensive board yet the player who is guarding him can breath a sigh of relief that this dynamic player has been parked.

I can't for the like of me understand why KD who is a 7 footer shoots from anywhere outside of 15 feet. Its moronic. Oh wait! BECAUSE HE IS REALLY GOOD AT THOSE BONEHEAD SHOTS!

However, I do think that KD actually needs to work on his postgame. Why? Because that is his weakness. Todays modern hybrids need to work on every aspect of the game. Find where you are efficient and where you put the defense at the biggest advantage.

I agree with folks who say he's not up to the freak athlete comparisons to a John Wall. He doesn't seem as quick as a Jason Kidd.

And while there's sentiment toward the idea of a franchise PG - just how many of these franchise PGs actually stuck around with the same team for a long time? The great Jason Kidd played in Dallas, Phoenix, NJ, then Dallas again, then NYK. Deron Williams is on his 3rd team. Rondo is on his 3rd. Chris Paul is on his 2nd. Many of the young PG's of the future like Bledsoe, Dragic, Knight, Thomas, Holiday, MCW... they've all bounced around.

About comparing positions & best player of the draft:
Unless a player is the magnitude of a Tim Duncan (or a Lebron James), it's kind of tough say who really got the best player when you take into account positions. (Even in the case of LBJ, Dwyane Wade had a pretty compelling argument of being the equal of LBJ up until 2-3 seasons ago, when injuries really started taking their toll on fan's perception of how good he is/was)

A little bit of an case in point: while most folks say MJ is the best player of all time, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that if they had to do the 1984 draft over, most GM's would still draft Hakeem (Akeem) over MJ even knowing how things turned out.

Position is a big, big deal. And in the case of Porzingas, it's just summer league but when KP is in the game other teams had to change their plan of attack.

About our draft:

So far it looks like KP has the goods to be a solid contributor and even a defensive game-changer right away - acknowledging that realizing his full beast-mode potential is probably a few years away. And Grant looks like he has the potential to start right away and become one of of the better starting PGs/borderline all-star PGs.

Mudiay may well be the best player of this draft - he could even become an all-time great PG - or he could become one of the long list of very good (even borderline all-star) PGs. Whether he's that elite type or borderline type, there's a pretty good bet that he'll move around at some point in his career before or during his prime, and certainly at the tail end of his career.

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Ah. And here it is. A thread for the guy who wanted Phil fired on Draft Night for picking KP. A thread from a guy who has an anti Phil agenda and has railed on PJ since he got here. Just seemingly furthering the agenda so he can point our who performs better than Phil's pick KP on a minute by minute basis. Sorry, but assigning a franchise player tag to Muday's superstardom or judging how good a player will be based on 3 or 4 Summer League games is pretty silly. Making an assessment comparison based on who starts in Game 1 of their rookie year is laughable. You are of course entitled to you opinion. Of course it is way too early to make an assessment like you have made...but that is par for the course.

Ok..for a second, let's forget the out defend Phil at all cost mode..What do you think of Mudiay's skill level and what he will be given what you have seen?

Mudiay definitely has mad handle and good vision. He has skills, that's why he was picked near the top of the draft. Becoming a franchise player is more than just skill level. Beyond superior skills, what makes a top player is often what's in his head, his motivation, drive, competitiveness, ability to quickly move on from mistakes, ability to tone out all the negative noise. There is just no way to know this about a 19 year old kid who played in China after 4 Summer league games.

If you listened to the commentators last night, not only is Denver handing him the keys..David Aldridge was asking, is Malone going to give him structure or just give him the ball to do his thing??..They have decided the team is his...But you are right, I'm shocked they have decided that already..

Mudiay is a good prospect. The probelm with Mudiay being picked by the Knick is fit. There aint no keys to be turned over in the triangle offense. Mudiay has a better chance of fulfilling his full potential in Denver. With that said, you have to admit, his poor outside shot, coupled with his poor freethrow shooting is alarming for a guard. Aint no guarantee that his broken shot will be fixed...See the Pearl Washington comparison you made..The jumper, among other things is what kept him from sticking in the NBA...

All players have areas they need to work on..We drafted a 7 footer who can't post and can't rebound..But we took a chance..Mudiay seems like an above IQ player and skilled we have lacked at the position since Clyde..We had no problem going all in on a longer shot player than Mudiay..

Rose learned to shoot...Wall is learning shoot..Jimmy Bulter learned to shoot..Tony Parker learned to shoot..If Mudiay had a jumper we wouldn't have a chance to get him..

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Ah. And here it is. A thread for the guy who wanted Phil fired on Draft Night for picking KP. A thread from a guy who has an anti Phil agenda and has railed on PJ since he got here. Just seemingly furthering the agenda so he can point our who performs better than Phil's pick KP on a minute by minute basis. Sorry, but assigning a franchise player tag to Muday's superstardom or judging how good a player will be based on 3 or 4 Summer League games is pretty silly. Making an assessment comparison based on who starts in Game 1 of their rookie year is laughable. You are of course entitled to you opinion. Of course it is way too early to make an assessment like you have made...but that is par for the course.

Ok..for a second, let's forget the out defend Phil at all cost mode..What do you think of Mudiay's skill level and what he will be given what you have seen?

Mudiay definitely has mad handle and good vision. He has skills, that's why he was picked near the top of the draft. Becoming a franchise player is more than just skill level. Beyond superior skills, what makes a top player is often what's in his head, his motivation, drive, competitiveness, ability to quickly move on from mistakes, ability to tone out all the negative noise. There is just no way to know this about a 19 year old kid who played in China after 4 Summer league games.

If you listened to the commentators last night, not only is Denver handing him the keys..David Aldridge was asking, is Malone going to give him structure or just give him the ball to do his thing??..They have decided the team is his...But you are right, I'm shocked they have decided that already..

Mudiay is a good prospect. The probelm with Mudiay being picked by the Knick is fit. There aint no keys to be turned over in the triangle offense. Mudiay has a better chance of fulfilling his full potential in Denver. With that said, you have to admit, his poor outside shot, coupled with his poor freethrow shooting is alarming for a guard. Aint no guarantee that his broken shot will be fixed...See the Pearl Washington comparison you made..The jumper, among other things is what kept him from sticking in the NBA...

All players have areas they need to work on..We drafted a 7 footer who can't post and can't rebound..But we took a chance..Mudiay seems like an above IQ player and skilled we have lacked at the position since Clyde..We had no problem going all in on a longer shot player than Mudiay..

The old school thought is when you have two highly regarded prospects that are close, you usually go with the BIG prospect....I disagree that we haven't had a highly skilled, high IQ pg since Clyde. We had two on the same team in Mark and Rod Strickland...I'm still bothered that we traded Strickland all these years later....lol

Mudiay is a one one one, pick and roll type of point guard....How do you honestly think Mudiay would do in the Triangle offense?

ChuckBuck wrote:Everyone think on this thought. A 7 foot 3 player did this:

This isn't a guard or wing player....a 7 foot 3 player with this skill, instinct, IQ, and athleticism anticipated and played the passing lane and flushed it like it was a breakfast turd.

Man I shiver at the thought of his ceiling once this guy gets introduced to Shake Shak...

When I saw that I was thinkin the smae thing!!! Seven Mutherphuching Three!!!!

No Shwan Bradley comps here, this kid is skilled!!!! We could pass on him as most have said, his upside is crazy and if we passed and he hits his potential we have a bonafide great player!!

Im sure Mudiay will be a very good player as well might be rookie of the year. Starphuchers want it all now. Me, Im really more than ok with this pick!! It was not the safe pick, it could define the franchise for 10+ years!!

7'3 skilled athletic kids don't come around very often. I can't even compare him to anyone. Sampson? Durant? Dirk? He has a bigger frame than Durant and looks more athletic than Dirk was. Sampson had knee trouble as they tried him to hold the post and he was too skinny and Narrow.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Everyone think on this thought. A 7 foot 3 player did this:

This isn't a guard or wing player....a 7 foot 3 player with this skill, instinct, IQ, and athleticism anticipated and played the passing lane and flushed it like it was a breakfast turd.

Man I shiver at the thought of his ceiling once this guy gets introduced to Shake Shak...

When I saw that I was thinkin the smae thing!!! Seven Mutherphuching Three!!!!

No Shwan Bradley comps here, this kid is skilled!!!! We could pass on him as most have said, his upside is crazy and if we passed and he hits his potential we have a bonafide great player!!

Im sure Mudiay will be a very good player as well might be rookie of the year. Starphuchers want it all now. Me, Im really more than ok with this pick!! It was not the safe pick, it could define the franchise for 10+ years!!

7'3 skilled athletic kids don't come around very often. I can't even compare him to anyone. Sampson? Durant? Dirk? He has a bigger frame than Durant and looks more athletic than Dirk was. Sampson had knee trouble as they tried him to hold the post and he was too skinny and Narrow.

So why isn't a 19 year old PG with vision considered a player for the next 10 years and beyond but a 7'3" considered a 10 year player..Your age and career time clock don't start ticking once you figure out the game..So now a player has a knock against him for being ready for the league at age 19..LeBron and Magic was ready for the league at a young age, didn't turn out too bad..

I don't see the point in a 7'3" jump shooter who can't rebound..If u have a post game and u owned the boards couple with range then we are talking..Ewing, Dream, inside players all had inside moves at that age..They built with on that later..Hoping to put on weight in order to build strength is a plan?..Then later we learn to play inside..Good Luck..

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Everyone think on this thought. A 7 foot 3 player did this:

This isn't a guard or wing player....a 7 foot 3 player with this skill, instinct, IQ, and athleticism anticipated and played the passing lane and flushed it like it was a breakfast turd.

Man I shiver at the thought of his ceiling once this guy gets introduced to Shake Shak...

When I saw that I was thinkin the smae thing!!! Seven Mutherphuching Three!!!!

No Shwan Bradley comps here, this kid is skilled!!!! We could pass on him as most have said, his upside is crazy and if we passed and he hits his potential we have a bonafide great player!!

Im sure Mudiay will be a very good player as well might be rookie of the year. Starphuchers want it all now. Me, Im really more than ok with this pick!! It was not the safe pick, it could define the franchise for 10+ years!!

7'3 skilled athletic kids don't come around very often. I can't even compare him to anyone. Sampson? Durant? Dirk? He has a bigger frame than Durant and looks more athletic than Dirk was. Sampson had knee trouble as they tried him to hold the post and he was too skinny and Narrow.

So why isn't a 19 year old PG with vision considered a player for the next 10 years and beyond but a 7'3" considered a 10 year player..Your age and career time clock don't start ticking once you figure out the game..So now a player has a knock against him for being ready for the league at age 19..LeBron and Magic was ready for the league at a young age, didn't turn out too bad..

I don't see the point in a 7'3" jump shooter who can't rebound..If u have a post game and u owned the boards couple with range then we are talking..Ewing, Dream, inside players all had inside moves at that age..They built with on that later..Hoping to put on weight in order to build strength is a plan?

Point guards are supposed to know how to shoot.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Truthfully grant is more polished right now since he is older. Since the OP obviously wants what is best for melo he should be happy getting grant and KP. Both will help melo

Grant is not in Mudiay's class..It's not about now or Melo..Mudiay is about the next 15 years..Mudiay's career don't jump start 3/4 years from now..He is ready..

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Everyone think on this thought. A 7 foot 3 player did this:

This isn't a guard or wing player....a 7 foot 3 player with this skill, instinct, IQ, and athleticism anticipated and played the passing lane and flushed it like it was a breakfast turd.

Man I shiver at the thought of his ceiling once this guy gets introduced to Shake Shak...

When I saw that I was thinkin the smae thing!!! Seven Mutherphuching Three!!!!

No Shwan Bradley comps here, this kid is skilled!!!! We could pass on him as most have said, his upside is crazy and if we passed and he hits his potential we have a bonafide great player!!

Im sure Mudiay will be a very good player as well might be rookie of the year. Starphuchers want it all now. Me, Im really more than ok with this pick!! It was not the safe pick, it could define the franchise for 10+ years!!

7'3 skilled athletic kids don't come around very often. I can't even compare him to anyone. Sampson? Durant? Dirk? He has a bigger frame than Durant and looks more athletic than Dirk was. Sampson had knee trouble as they tried him to hold the post and he was too skinny and Narrow.

So why isn't a 19 year old PG with vision considered a player for the next 10 years and beyond but a 7'3" considered a 10 year player..Your age and career time clock don't start ticking once you figure out the game..So now a player has a knock against him for being ready for the league at age 19..LeBron and Magic was ready for the league at a young age, didn't turn out too bad..

I don't see the point in a 7'3" jump shooter who can't rebound..If u have a post game and u owned the boards couple with range then we are talking..Ewing, Dream, inside players all had inside moves at that age..They built with on that later..Hoping to put on weight in order to build strength is a plan?

Point guards are supposed to know how to shoot.

Tony Parker, Derek Rose, Magic Johnson, John Wall, Jimmy Butler, Charles Oakley, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, all learned to shoot outside in the NBA

Show me the big man who learned the post and improved his rebounding in the NBA..

Didn't Mudiay average 50% Free Throws so far in 4 games? Small sample size I know(Bonn) but I think it's a pre-requisite for a Point Guard to know how to shoot free throws.

But, grant looks like tough, polished skilled distributor. He's going to be a solid guard and the zinger is a special talent. he just needs to work on his conditioning and strength and he's going to be a very difficult cover.

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Everyone think on this thought. A 7 foot 3 player did this:

This isn't a guard or wing player....a 7 foot 3 player with this skill, instinct, IQ, and athleticism anticipated and played the passing lane and flushed it like it was a breakfast turd.

Man I shiver at the thought of his ceiling once this guy gets introduced to Shake Shak...

When I saw that I was thinkin the smae thing!!! Seven Mutherphuching Three!!!!

No Shwan Bradley comps here, this kid is skilled!!!! We could pass on him as most have said, his upside is crazy and if we passed and he hits his potential we have a bonafide great player!!

Im sure Mudiay will be a very good player as well might be rookie of the year. Starphuchers want it all now. Me, Im really more than ok with this pick!! It was not the safe pick, it could define the franchise for 10+ years!!

7'3 skilled athletic kids don't come around very often. I can't even compare him to anyone. Sampson? Durant? Dirk? He has a bigger frame than Durant and looks more athletic than Dirk was. Sampson had knee trouble as they tried him to hold the post and he was too skinny and Narrow.

So why isn't a 19 year old PG with vision considered a player for the next 10 years and beyond but a 7'3" considered a 10 year player..Your age and career time clock don't start ticking once you figure out the game..So now a player has a knock against him for being ready for the league at age 19..LeBron and Magic was ready for the league at a young age, didn't turn out too bad..

I don't see the point in a 7'3" jump shooter who can't rebound..If u have a post game and u owned the boards couple with range then we are talking..Ewing, Dream, inside players all had inside moves at that age..They built with on that later..Hoping to put on weight in order to build strength is a plan?

Point guards are supposed to know how to shoot.

Tony Parker, Derek Rose, Magic Johnson, John Wall, Jimmy Butler, Charles Oakley, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, all learned to shoot outside in the NBA

Show me the big man who learned the post and improved his rebounding in the NBA..

Didn't Mudiay average 50% Free Throws so far in 4 games? Small sample size I know(Bonn) but I think it's a pre-requisite for a Point Guard to know how to shoot free throws.

Yet there are articles saying he is the best/most impressive player in the summer league..