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Harvey Araton: If You Read Phil Jackson’s Mind, Carmelo Anthony Is in Small Type
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7/15/2015  8:22 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

I would rather have Harvey Araton tell me what Phil is thinking than Nixluva.

Interesting that you say that but why do you feel that way? Isn't it the same thing or is that you want a fresh perspective of what someone else doesn't really know?

I like when a prized writer thinks and feels the I think and feel. Makes me feel better about my thoughts and feelings.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  8:22 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:

Yup, 46% win percentage in the Knicks uni.

Not exactly worthy of the praise and deflection of blame his supporters constantly provide him with.

At least Houston, Spree, Camby gave us a deep playoff run for the ages.

Melo gave us a meaningless 62 point game and a playoff killing block by Hibbert on a failed dunk attempt.

Guys got look at the big picture, dude's not a winner.


I mean, I think being a "winner" is somewhat situational... I'd never fault Ewing for not winning a championship for instance. Has Chris Paul ever made it out of the second round?

But, yeah, Melo has left a bad taste here with how he has behaved and not defended and his absence from the team this summer is really just a bummer in what is otherwise a feel good summer.

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7/15/2015  8:25 PM
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:

Yup, 46% win percentage in the Knicks uni.

Not exactly worthy of the praise and deflection of blame his supporters constantly provide him with.

At least Houston, Spree, Camby gave us a deep playoff run for the ages.

Melo gave us a meaningless 62 point game and a playoff killing block by Hibbert on a failed dunk attempt.

Guys got look at the big picture, dude's not a winner.


I mean, I think being a "winner" is somewhat situational... I'd never fault Ewing for not winning a championship for instance. Has Chris Paul ever made it out of the second round?

But, yeah, Melo has left a bad taste here with how he has behaved and not defended and his absence from the team this summer is really just a bummer in what is otherwise a feel good summer.

Don Mattingly (basically) never made the playoffs. I loved the guy because he left it all on the field and he was a stand up guy.

Ewing was a ball hog but left it all on the floor. His teams always perform as good or better than expected and unfortunately faced teams like the bulls too often.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  8:25 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

I would rather have Harvey Araton tell me what Phil is thinking than Nixluva.

Interesting that you say that but why do you feel that way? Isn't it the same thing or is that you want a fresh perspective of what someone else doesn't really know?

I like when a prized writer thinks and feels the I think and feel. Makes me feel better about my thoughts and feelings.

oh okay. lol. You know Nix won is a prized writer too.

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7/15/2015  8:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:

Yup, 46% win percentage in the Knicks uni.

Not exactly worthy of the praise and deflection of blame his supporters constantly provide him with.

At least Houston, Spree, Camby gave us a deep playoff run for the ages.

Melo gave us a meaningless 62 point game and a playoff killing block by Hibbert on a failed dunk attempt.

Guys got look at the big picture, dude's not a winner.


I mean, I think being a "winner" is somewhat situational... I'd never fault Ewing for not winning a championship for instance. Has Chris Paul ever made it out of the second round?

But, yeah, Melo has left a bad taste here with how he has behaved and not defended and his absence from the team this summer is really just a bummer in what is otherwise a feel good summer.

truthfully its refreshing. Now we can just focus on our two rookies as well as building a team and concentrating on defense too
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7/15/2015  8:26 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

I would rather have Harvey Araton tell me what Phil is thinking than Nixluva.

Interesting that you say that but why do you feel that way? Isn't it the same thing or is that you want a fresh perspective of what someone else doesn't really know?

I like when a prized writer thinks and feels the I think and feel. Makes me feel better about my thoughts and feelings.

oh okay. lol. You know Nix won is a prized writer too.

He wrote some good posts on the struggles in the south/

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  8:32 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:

Yup, 46% win percentage in the Knicks uni.

Not exactly worthy of the praise and deflection of blame his supporters constantly provide him with.

At least Houston, Spree, Camby gave us a deep playoff run for the ages.

Melo gave us a meaningless 62 point game and a playoff killing block by Hibbert on a failed dunk attempt.

Guys got look at the big picture, dude's not a winner.


I mean, I think being a "winner" is somewhat situational... I'd never fault Ewing for not winning a championship for instance. Has Chris Paul ever made it out of the second round?

But, yeah, Melo has left a bad taste here with how he has behaved and not defended and his absence from the team this summer is really just a bummer in what is otherwise a feel good summer.

Don Mattingly (basically) never made the playoffs. I loved the guy because he left it all on the field and he was a stand up guy.

Ewing was a ball hog but left it all on the floor. His teams always perform as good or better than expected and unfortunately faced teams like the bulls too often.

Yeah, agree completely. I think Mattingly only made the playoffs the one time in his last season that was also Jeter's first part of a season, right? Against Seattle?

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7/15/2015  8:36 PM
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Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

Actions speak louder than words. Araton is not making anything up. This is based on Melo's actual actions. Some of you can keep ignoring the truth I guess. It's your right


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7/15/2015  8:44 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:

Yup, 46% win percentage in the Knicks uni.

Not exactly worthy of the praise and deflection of blame his supporters constantly provide him with.

At least Houston, Spree, Camby gave us a deep playoff run for the ages.

Melo gave us a meaningless 62 point game and a playoff killing block by Hibbert on a failed dunk attempt.

Guys got look at the big picture, dude's not a winner.


I mean, I think being a "winner" is somewhat situational... I'd never fault Ewing for not winning a championship for instance. Has Chris Paul ever made it out of the second round?

But, yeah, Melo has left a bad taste here with how he has behaved and not defended and his absence from the team this summer is really just a bummer in what is otherwise a feel good summer.

Don Mattingly (basically) never made the playoffs. I loved the guy because he left it all on the field and he was a stand up guy.

Ewing was a ball hog but left it all on the floor. His teams always perform as good or better than expected and unfortunately faced teams like the bulls too often.

Yeah, agree completely. I think Mattingly only made the playoffs the one time in his last season that was also Jeter's first part of a season, right? Against Seattle?

yes ... but jeter only played 15 games was a rookie the next year.

mattingly also would have been in the playoffs during the strike season. His 1985-87 years were from the best that I've seen.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/15/2015  8:53 PM
Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..
This.
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7/15/2015  8:54 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

I haven't read anything sticking up for Melo. What I have read is people calling out Araton for his article.
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7/15/2015  8:57 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.

phil is really phucking with Melo's head ... this is what I wanted last season.

Are you saying this based on the article or is it because Phil is doing his job building a team?
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7/15/2015  9:04 PM
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.

I'm a huge Syracuse and Knicks fan which makes me a huge Melo fan but i'm at the point now to where i agree with this and say to Melo......either get on the train or jump off cause we're moving forward and things are looking up for the New York Knicks for the first time in a long time. Good article.

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7/15/2015  9:05 PM
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Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..
This.

Both of you failed. he isnt a beat writer. Kinda odd, than new Yorkers would diss their own so easily.
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7/15/2015  9:10 PM
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.
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newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.

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7/15/2015  9:13 PM
lol at this witchhunt. This is well written article with the same substance that Berman, Isola and Stephen A put out there. At least this guy is upfront about that. People seemed to gloss over that.

When did a rich jock become so important?

People really hate this player for interesting reasons. My favorite part of this latest surge of Melo-drama is I have never seen so many articles written about a player's feelings.

Lets talk about some of the recent groundbreaking stories..

I mean if someone posts a picture of Melo pouting its in the tabloids the next day with "MElo hate's Phil's moves" written under it.

If Melo didn't tweet "this is the best thing that's ever happened to the Knicks" its obvious he's being passive aggressive about the draft.

If Melo is bummed a guy he played with for 2 years is off the team its obvious that he feels lied too by Phil.

If Melo tweets "we got a steal" about the draft pick its obviously damage control over his brand because he did it a day late.

If Melo spoke w/ KP directly to tell him the stuff he's reading is bull****, and welcome to the Knicks it means... Im at a loss here but it sure made KP's big brother happy. Surely there is a good selfserving MElo first reason for doing that right? Chuck? Guns? Help me out here...

Whatever... enjoy the ride. This is not defense of Melo. This is me honestly puzzled by this bizarre phenomenon. Easy to dislike guys.. look at all the ARod venom. Whats interesting is the Melo hate isn't wide spread. He had no problem hobbling his way to an all star start. Players around the league like him. Yes he's not Lebron or that type of alpha leader, but he IS liked. What is interesting is the fans and media who don't like him utterly despise him. Like Rush hates Barak despise. Like Sunnis hate Shiites despise.

When did Melo say this is his team? Fact extrapolated from forcing Dolan to trade and pay him twice right?

Melo is a philanthropist and his charities are ranked among the highest because he pays the operating costs out of his pocket, as opposed to using the donation revenue to fund more fun raising as most charities do. But that article is BOOOOO-RING.

Im labeled as the MElo lover and defender here. I once really couldn't stand him. I was vocal about that and the reasons. He got MDA fired and had no excuses. He followed that with player of the month and a playoff berth. Oh... about that.

Before Melo: 9 seasons, 1 playoff berth and it was that 39 win Lenny Wilkins team that got swept by the Nets.
After Melo its 3 straight playoff berths and the first series win 10+ years (but folks want to credit Jason Kidd who scored 2 baskets in the entire playoffs). And lets not forget it was Melo who forced the Knicks to trade every decent role player for Bargs sending out a pick. Has Melo brought the Knicks to the promise land? Pa-lease. Was the team immediately better with his arrival? After 9 years of losing records it certainly was.

I don't really care if people like this guy or not. At the end of the day he's rich jock and how he feels doesn't matter, so long as he's putting the ball in the basket. What I would ask to the stout supporters of this well written essay is what the phuck did Melo do to deserve such honest to goodness hate? I mean disappointment? Sure. Fine. No prob. I'm not enamored with the "Melo era" much either. I don't want his head on a stake, I don't pretend to know his feelings and I find the vocal group who feed into this stuff like its Kardashian fodder to be pretty delusional. The amount of venom simply doesn't match the crimes, which consist of getting paid and not being Lebron James.

This is not basketball.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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7/15/2015  9:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.
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7/15/2015  9:19 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

Pippen sure looked good when Jordan was playing baseball too. I think he was avg 22 pts, 8 rebs, 5-6 ast, and 3 stls a night. Rodman was a star and is one of the best ever rebounders in the game and was a fierce defender. He was a defending actual 5 men that could score not like what Draymond and Lebron does. Also, Horace wasn't a star but he became very efficient for the bulls and played d.

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7/15/2015  9:21 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.

Do you realize how old Pippen was when he went to Houston and Portland?

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