NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

Phil and his scouts said he is a "once in a lifetime" type player...

Yep and the offer made to the Hornets wasn't made to the Knicks.

Again, there is nothing in the reports to suggest that. I confronted you yesterday about that and you didn't respond to how you have determined that this was the case.

The opening came when Justise Winslow was still on the board at No. 9. The Celts had engaged in some preliminary talks with Charlotte, though nothing approaching that which was being rumored by NBA writers on social media platforms.

According to league sources, the Celtics saw this as their maybe their last-best chance to get a player they had not only rated this highly, but who also fit a need.

And they were prepared to deal. Interestingly, the Hornets were not necessarily looking for any of the players the C’s had to offer. They were more interested in their stockpile of draft picks, and 16 and 28 this year alone were clearly not going to get it done.

Sides confirmed the Celtics went on to offer multiple future first-round picks, getting so caught up in the chase that Ainge was said to catch himself putting more on the table than he would have under less time sensitive circumstances. At one point, other teams were brought into the deal to help create a package that would entice Michael Jordan’s team.

But the Hornets had become enamored with Frank Kaminsky and didn’t believe he’d still be on the board at 16, so they pulled out of the talks.

That led the Celts to immediately turn their attention to Miami, owner of the next pick. They again offered multiple draft picks and were open to discussing players from the current roster, but the Heat saw the same things in Winslow as did Ainge and staff. Miami got its — and the Celtics’ — man.

So ended the Bostonians’ major trade negotiations. The club had been very active, though not to the wild extent reported in several outlets.

TPercy wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

TPercy wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

No offensive counter moves? Right...
We don't know for sure if he cant pass if we have not seen him play...
Can't rebound? he can get around 8-9 rebounds at a per 40 pace, its not fantastic, but it can't be put into the "can't rebound" category

KP has potential to be a the most superior player in the draft. He is very fast for his size and is a good shooter. He can turn out to be the an ungaurdable player in the NBA especially with the league getting a lot more smaller and less physical.

At 7"2', has there ever been a guy that has rebounded worse than 7.7 per 36 minutes? At that height, you'd expect the ball to end up in his hands by accident. Even as soft as Roy Hibbert is, he has never averaged less than 8.0 reboundes per 36 and that was against vastly superior athletes/competition.

As I've articulated a half dozen times by now, there is nothing in his game or in his numbers that gives me hope he is a competent passer. Per 36, he doesn't even average more than an assist a game, in a basketball culture that stresses basketball movement.

It's interesting that in spite of these facts, I can't judge him because "we haven't seen him play" but you can somehow determine that "KP has the potential to be the most superior player in the draft". Yeah, clearly I'm being the silly one....

Have you ever considered the fact that he plays as a 3/stretch 4 for his team? You seem to be judging his rebounding numbers based on his height rather than the position he actually plays..
As for passing how do you know he can't pass? Assisting and passing are two different things and even if he is not that great of a passer, he is still 19 years old with plenty of potential to get better. KP has stated many times how much he wants to improve and to become a great player. He has a good work ethic from what we can say and that will help him a lot in his development. You seem to be focusing on just the negatives rather than the positives. What did you expect him to be? Patrick Ewing? Dirk? Lets give this guy a chance.

Fair point about the position he plays. I was working under the assumption that he was playing the 4 spot, with Willy at the 5 but could not confirm as much. But if he was actually playing the 3 and spent more time on the perimeter, then it'd certainly encourage me about his prospects as a rebounder. As for him, time will tell but I'm leery of the hyped tall white foreigner being celebrated only to find out he's a dud. There hasn't been a single player that fits that profile since 2001 that has been drafted in the lottery and made something of himself. That's 14 years, man. And when I look at a KrisP, I don't really see anything in his game or resume to suggest he'll be any different. But time will tell. I'm definitely rooting for him but sure as hell don't want to get my hopes up because I think there are too many question marks for me to have faith in him.

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:You don't think lebron would welcom a melo?

He would love Melo to come to Cleveland. Melo was supposed to be a super friend with Bron and Wade but he wanted guaranteed money and went for a longer contract then the other two.

We helped the Cavs enough. I'm only sending Melo out west if we were to trade him.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:You don't think lebron would welcom a melo?

He would love Melo to come to Cleveland. Melo was supposed to be a super friend with Bron and Wade but he wanted guaranteed money and went for a longer contract then the other two.

We helped the Cavs enough. I'm only sending Melo out west if we were to trade him.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:You don't think lebron would welcom a melo?

He would love Melo to come to Cleveland. Melo was supposed to be a super friend with Bron and Wade but he wanted guaranteed money and went for a longer contract then the other two.

We helped the Cavs enough. I'm only sending Melo out west if we were to trade him.

I don't think the Knicks are trading Melo. I think the Knicks had an amazing draft but I think they are counting on free agency moves to get them back into the playoffs and competitive. I think you have to read everything Isola says with a filter. He wrote another article tonight criticizing the Knicks and their draft.

Isola is a hack and a snake. I really can't stand the guy. All he does is make trouble for the Knicks. It's such a clear vendetta.

And screw the media. They can stir up all the crap they want and melo can bitch all he wants. Phil doesn't care he jus wants to mold the Knicks into a winning title contender. That's why I wanted Phil here because we finally got a dude running this team that is secure in his Beliefs and has the clout to tell Dolan and the media to pound sand if needed.

Melo made his bed. Now he can lie in it. I am not worried at all. He's an asset. Nothing more. Nothing less. Let him piss and moan.

doomed wrote:If Phil was catering to melo's every whim he would have drafted one of melo's bffs like Winslow or stein or whoever. He didn't. He drafted who he felt was best of the Knicks franchise.

And screw the media. They can stir up all the crap they want and melo can bitch all he wants. Phil doesn't care he jus wants to mold the Knicks into a winning title contender. That's why I wanted Phil here because we finally got a dude running this team that is secure in his Beliefs and has the clout to tell Dolan and the media to pound sand if needed.

Melo made his bed. Now he can lie in it. I am not worried at all. He's an asset. Nothing more. Nothing less. Let him piss and moan.

Very underrated viewpoint by many but is an absolute necessity here in NY.

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Call me crazy but if "culture change" is what you all want (i.e. a rebuild), then how the hell do you not trade the pick to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger and 6 draft picks (as many as 4 in the first round)? Yeah, a 7"2' "shooter" that can't pass, can't rebound, has no offensive counter moves, and can't hold his position in the post is nice and all but I'd have to think that the opportunity to build a TEAM would trump all of that.

Phil and his scouts said he is a "once in a lifetime" type player...

Yep and the offer made to the Hornets wasn't made to the Knicks.