mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:Almost all of Phil's moves have been big gambles...Hiring Fisher with zero experience was a big gamble...Jettison JR and Shump for nothing was a big gamble..Calderon trade was a big gamble..This pick was a big gamble...None has worked so far..All resulting in epic fails.

Explain to us how picking a guy at #4 who was almost universally ranked at #4 is any more of a gamble than any other pick?

Where was Darko picked??..Honestly, the kid is 220 lbs soaking wet...He will make Frank Kaminsky look like Dwight Howard...

Doesn't matter anyway, I'm a Knick fan...This goes with the territory..

Sorry but these are really fvcking stupid comments. It would be like saying that Winslow is a big gamble because look where Rivers was picked. Makes absolutely no sense. Further Zinger will likely not be playing against Kaminski so I'm not sure why you are comparing them. Does that mean that Kaminski's brawn will put Durant to shame?

STFU..U have no balls to question any of his moves..Every stupid move he has made that I questioned you have voiced a concern..Yet we are still spiraling out of control...Have some stones to be honest an question something for a change..We won 17 games and have conflicting direction and u don't question anything...Our coach sucks and u still don't have any question..He said we are rebuilding thru free agency yet we draft a project and it's all good...Get a life...

I question a lot of things. Perhaps it's you who are not able to ask the right questions nor see beneath the surface on anything. Please indicate how you know with 100% accuracy which player drafted tonight will turn out better than which other player. The answer is that you dont. Most of these guys will not perform to expectations. A few will greatly exceed and a few more will perform well and go on to be solid NBA players. The truth is that you have really no idea how much of a project that Zinger will be and are basing an argument solely based on your uneducated opinion in this matter.

Further, anyone who has paid attention on this board would know that you have a hard on for bad mouthing Jackson since the day he was hired. You have carried that agenda forward on this board ad Nauseum. The Knicks reached a low point last year. Any fool could see that the model that was built prior to Jackson was both fragile and a house of cards. If it was mostly blown up and he is now starting to bring in young useful future pieces like Zinger and Grant and Galloway would realize that it is not spinning out of control.

I'm not that insecure that I need to continually call out the coach and GM for their sickness to make myself feel better. Their body of work is incomplete in my opinion. Unlike Mr need for instant gratification, I need to see how this unfolds.

What have I been wrong about so far???

You constantly ask for for proof with regards to my comments regarding Phil and his performance...17 wins and an inept coach later you are asking for more...What is it that makes you so confident that you can help a fellow Knick fan along the way...I need to prove to you that picks won't work..Can you prove to me that a guy that looks like Shawn Bradley can work..A guy who Phil said will struggle defensively on air...What have you seen in your travels that these type of picks work out..You want proof from me but you also feel you don't have to provide anything near proof...

pretty much everything.

Trading THJ for Jerian is an AWESOME move. We wanted to see if Phil could swing THJ into a 1st rd pick and he did. Taken as a whole this was a great draft IMO. This is a great start to the summer rebuild. Gotta see what else he can get done.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The pick makes sense if you are rebuilding, well not really..But that would be the argument..We don't have a pick next year...We are adding FA to help compete beginning next year..This kid isn't going to be ready for a few years if he even gets to that level...Is there a plan and what is it??

yes that is the message phil jackson is sending the knicks: he is drafting for life beyond carmelo anthony. melo does his job of making obscene money and building his stupid brand, while jackson goes about his job of building a winner slowly and patiently. i think it is possible that melo asks out of new york within the next two seasons....

that's a good plan.

We were missing the Melo angle in these discussions..Thanks for your input..

you're the one who strongly implied it in your post-- operative word in your post is "rebuilding" as in "not trying in earnest to win with melo."

please don't start in with the clowning... what's done is done and the message has been sent. you can root for melo wherever he ends up after he demands a trade.

You remind me of Don King...Every appearance he solds an Amreican flag saying he lives in a great country...His every comment is that he lives in a great country..Qduestion you should ask yourself is what will you talk about if Melo gets traded...

i will be talking about how much better the knicks are when the chump asks to be dumped....

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The pick makes sense if you are rebuilding, well not really..But that would be the argument..We don't have a pick next year...We are adding FA to help compete beginning next year..This kid isn't going to be ready for a few years if he even gets to that level...Is there a plan and what is it??

yes that is the message phil jackson is sending the knicks: he is drafting for life beyond carmelo anthony. melo does his job of making obscene money and building his stupid brand, while jackson goes about his job of building a winner slowly and patiently. i think it is possible that melo asks out of new york within the next two seasons....

that's a good plan.

We were missing the Melo angle in these discussions..Thanks for your input..

you're the one who strongly implied it in your post-- operative word in your post is "rebuilding" as in "not trying in earnest to win with melo."

please don't start in with the clowning... what's done is done and the message has been sent. you can root for melo wherever he ends up after he demands a trade.

You remind me of Don King...Every appearance he solds an Amreican flag saying he lives in a great country...His every comment is that he lives in a great country..Qduestion you should ask yourself is what will you talk about if Melo gets traded...

i will be talking about how much better the knicks are when the chump asks to be dumped....

Keep running the Melo commentary..There is something to be said about consistency..I'm just not sure what it is..

holfresh wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Holfresh, I think you are missing the point. I am not looking for proof from you. You have already made your decisions on condemning Phil and Fisher. I am looking for proof based on how this roster comes together and progresses prior to being judgemental. As I said, I don't feel the need to constantly judge when I don't think the the house has been wholly built yet.

Listen..From day one, I have stated..Phil is doing this for the wrong reasons...Phil is here to tell the world that the triangle was responsible for his 11 rings and not the players..He wants to prove that it works despite it's many failures...I'm a Knick fan first and foremost...I could give two shets about Phil "Action" Jackson legacy..It kills me that he has the nerve to use Dolan's weaknesses and this organization ineptness to promote his personal agenda...He has changed course about three times in one year...You can ignore it and hope for the best..I'm more the type that analyses as it comes...

One of the most important things I think in the NBA is the relationship between a coach and his players..It's an important bond that cannot be compromised if you want success...Not letting Fisher dictate how he wants the team to play has compromised that bond for Phil's own agenda...It's not a coincidence that NBA players are saying they don't want to play for Fisher..Phil has compromised him...Kerr was smart enough to know that Knicks were a dead end if they didn't achieve success...Look, I call it as I see it..Phil is doing Phil on a whim..Phil changes with the wind...U are guessing the outcome...U hope for the best as you watch the team crumble...

Say what you want..Our pick can't play defense in this league...Phil admitted as much in the draft interview..

You simply just don't understand what makes Phil tick and what he's all about. Phil is a winner and that's all he knows. He wants to do this the right way. He's not taking a typical approach. He's doing things according to what he knows a winning team should be built on. You can talk trash about this man but he's about as pure a basketball man as we could hope to get and he's not fooling around. You'll see eventually and then you'll just look stupid for talking such nonsense. You should have more respect for a man that has seen as much winning as Phil has and seen the process up close for decades. WTF do you really know about building a winner in comparison to Phil?

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:jeez what the fvck is the plan phil.....

isnt it obvious or are you just blind?

What's the plan?

oh look, you finally responded to a post.

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:jeez what the fvck is the plan phil.....

isnt it obvious or are you just blind?

What's the plan?

oh look, you finally responded to a post.

Not sure what that means but ok...I asked because it was to make the playoffs..then tank, resign Melo and build around FA..Now long term rebuild, I think??

certainly seems to me like phil is building for the long-term success of this team. if he thinks he can do both that and win some games in the meantime, that's fine. i think obviously our future depends on porzingis, let's all hope he'll be ready to contribute sooner rather than later. summer league games should be really fun to watch.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The pick makes sense if you are rebuilding, well not really..But that would be the argument..We don't have a pick next year...We are adding FA to help compete beginning next year..This kid isn't going to be ready for a few years if he even gets to that level...Is there a plan and what is it??

yes that is the message phil jackson is sending the knicks: he is drafting for life beyond carmelo anthony. melo does his job of making obscene money and building his stupid brand, while jackson goes about his job of building a winner slowly and patiently. i think it is possible that melo asks out of new york within the next two seasons....

that's a good plan.

We were missing the Melo angle in these discussions..Thanks for your input..

you're the one who strongly implied it in your post-- operative word in your post is "rebuilding" as in "not trying in earnest to win with melo."

please don't start in with the clowning... what's done is done and the message has been sent. you can root for melo wherever he ends up after he demands a trade.

You remind me of Don King...Every appearance he solds an Amreican flag saying he lives in a great country...His every comment is that he lives in a great country..Qduestion you should ask yourself is what will you talk about if Melo gets traded...

i will be talking about how much better the knicks are when the chump asks to be dumped....

Keep running the Melo commentary..There is something to be said about consistency..I'm just not sure what it is..

what will YOU talk about once melo is gone?