WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

nixluva wrote:The thing about WCS is that you can't look at him exactly how you look at other players because he is

1. A rare elite athlete that is without question based on verifiable facts and the eye test. We've never seen a 7'er with his combination of speed, quickness, agility and hops.
2. An elite defensive big which is rare in the draft and in the NBA especially. He will make everyone else better on D.
3. An efficient scorer and doesn't need the ball in order to have an impact. His +/- is based on everything else he does and not his scoring which tells you how impactful he actually is.
4. He does have offensive ability that needs further development but it's there. Other defensive bigs in the NBA are even more limited and yet they can be All Stars.

Phil can get scoring from other positions in the draft and Free Agency. This is a chance to radically transform the way this team defends. Every metric they have suggests that WCS is a great defensive player and you can see his ability clearly in being able to defend anywhere on the floor. His help defense is elite and will make everyone better on D. You can build an elite defense around him. That's why you take WCS.

I would think that health issues take priority in who we will draft. If a player with conditioning problems confesses to chest pains and the sickle cell trait, we thank him for his participation and wish him well. Further, if he has a pin in his leg or the possibility of a stress fracture, it would make sense to look in another direction.

I worry about the pin in his foot. He reportedly has gained 20lbs. The stress put on the foot by a guy weighing 250 lbs is tremendous. I think the pick is Porzingis. If the Knicks trade the pick I think they may go with Johnson. Nurkic and Johnson would spice things up on d.

That interview with Katz was crazy telling. I don't know any player in the nba that would say the Knicks are the best run organization...especially a prospect before the draft. Only thing that makes sense to me is that there's already a promise there. And I LOVE that he wants to be a knick.

Because he's 19 and was super nervous and didn't know what else to say. That's how I read it.

martin wrote:

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

nixluva wrote:The thing about WCS is that you can't look at him exactly how you look at other players because he is

1. A rare elite athlete that is without question based on verifiable facts and the eye test. We've never seen a 7'er with his combination of speed, quickness, agility and hops.
2. An elite defensive big which is rare in the draft and in the NBA especially. He will make everyone else better on D.
3. An efficient scorer and doesn't need the ball in order to have an impact. His +/- is based on everything else he does and not his scoring which tells you how impactful he actually is.
4. He does have offensive ability that needs further development but it's there. Other defensive bigs in the NBA are even more limited and yet they can be All Stars.

Phil can get scoring from other positions in the draft and Free Agency. This is a chance to radically transform the way this team defends. Every metric they have suggests that WCS is a great defensive player and you can see his ability clearly in being able to defend anywhere on the floor. His help defense is elite and will make everyone better on D. You can build an elite defense around him. That's why you take WCS.

I would think that health issues take priority in who we will draft. If a player with conditioning problems confesses to chest pains and the sickle cell trait, we thank him for his participation and wish him well. Further, if he has a pin in his leg or the possibility of a stress fracture, it would make sense to look in another direction.

I worry about the pin in his foot. He reportedly has gained 20lbs. The stress put on the foot by a guy weighing 250 lbs is tremendous. I think the pick is Porzingis. If the Knicks trade the pick I think they may go with Johnson. Nurkic and Johnson would spice things up on d.

That interview with Katz was crazy telling. I don't know any player in the nba that would say the Knicks are the best run organization...especially a prospect before the draft. Only thing that makes sense to me is that there's already a promise there. And I LOVE that he wants to be a knick.

Because he's 19 and was super nervous and didn't know what else to say. That's how I read it.

Eh. Not really dude. Definitely looks like he's favoring the Knicks. Usually players just don't give out any hints, and are "happy" with whoever drafts them. Him saying that is extremely high praise for the organization, I'd bet he already views Phil as a mentor of sorts...and that connection is already budding. You don't just hear players say that about the Knicks every day.

Panos wrote:

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:

Panos wrote:

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:briggs, the ultimate Knicks local drunk lmao. How are you so sure that a guy slotted to be picked outside the top 10 will be the Knicks pick at 4, along with another guy out the top 10 in Kaminsky. You change your mind more than a girl in forever 22 brah. Take a Xanax and try not to start more than 10 threads between now and Thursday about your "final" mock draft. We're going Mudiay or Porzingis...unless somehow okafor or Russell fall in our lap. Mudiay will be a star for the Knicks, as long as Jackson somehow has the balls to fire Fisher...who is afraid to stand up to melo. And we NEED a coach willing to stand up to melo, for our coach to gain respect.

Yo, Johnny-come-lately with 23 posts, why don't you settle down and show a little respect for a poster that's been here for over a decade and knows basketball.
If you don't like BRIGGS' threads, go elsewhere.

I've been on these forums a lot longer than you think. I've got nothing personal against anyone here, when I see an idiotic statement, I'll call you out on it. Throwing up made up percentages, which no draft expert legitimizes in any way, by a guy who basically comes up with a new draft idea every 30 minutes does not impress me. Like I've said all along, we're taking Mudiay or Porzingis. Really starting to look like we're taking Porzingis though...

What you've said all along? In your 23 posts as of the time I called you out? Relax. BRIGGS has been here a long time, and has called a lot of things right. Even scouts change their minds coming up to the draft. Why should this bother you so much?

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:

martin wrote:

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

nixluva wrote:The thing about WCS is that you can't look at him exactly how you look at other players because he is

1. A rare elite athlete that is without question based on verifiable facts and the eye test. We've never seen a 7'er with his combination of speed, quickness, agility and hops.
2. An elite defensive big which is rare in the draft and in the NBA especially. He will make everyone else better on D.
3. An efficient scorer and doesn't need the ball in order to have an impact. His +/- is based on everything else he does and not his scoring which tells you how impactful he actually is.
4. He does have offensive ability that needs further development but it's there. Other defensive bigs in the NBA are even more limited and yet they can be All Stars.

Phil can get scoring from other positions in the draft and Free Agency. This is a chance to radically transform the way this team defends. Every metric they have suggests that WCS is a great defensive player and you can see his ability clearly in being able to defend anywhere on the floor. His help defense is elite and will make everyone better on D. You can build an elite defense around him. That's why you take WCS.

I would think that health issues take priority in who we will draft. If a player with conditioning problems confesses to chest pains and the sickle cell trait, we thank him for his participation and wish him well. Further, if he has a pin in his leg or the possibility of a stress fracture, it would make sense to look in another direction.

I worry about the pin in his foot. He reportedly has gained 20lbs. The stress put on the foot by a guy weighing 250 lbs is tremendous. I think the pick is Porzingis. If the Knicks trade the pick I think they may go with Johnson. Nurkic and Johnson would spice things up on d.

That interview with Katz was crazy telling. I don't know any player in the nba that would say the Knicks are the best run organization...especially a prospect before the draft. Only thing that makes sense to me is that there's already a promise there. And I LOVE that he wants to be a knick.

Because he's 19 and was super nervous and didn't know what else to say. That's how I read it.

Eh. Not really dude. Definitely looks like he's favoring the Knicks. Usually players just don't give out any hints, and are "happy" with whoever drafts them. Him saying that is extremely high praise for the organization, I'd bet he already views Phil as a mentor of sorts...and that connection is already budding. You don't just hear players say that about the Knicks every day.

Unless it's somebody with limited english words and really wants to be selected by the media capital.....And mostlikely doesn't want to go to Philly. Who does? NYC is the best place to live, especially as a millionaire. People around the world appreciates NYC more than NYC themselves.

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think there is a 90% chance that we draft WCS with a pick somewhere from 4-7 but probably 4.

Ill give a 7 % chance to Frank Kaminsky with a pick from 4-7

2% chance that its Porzingis

and 1% to Winslow

I dont think that Mudiay or Hezonga have any chance to be Knicks

The first 3 guys taken are the names that are out there with no change.

We will buy a pick in late 40's and take an obscure name or one of the Harrison's

oh sh1t!!!!!

10 thousand similar posts that are completely wrong. Great ... 7 out of 10k he makes a decent pick.

Ain't nothing wrong with accountability. You create a billion posts ... man up to them.

CrushAlot wrote:

Panos wrote:

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:

Panos wrote:

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:briggs, the ultimate Knicks local drunk lmao. How are you so sure that a guy slotted to be picked outside the top 10 will be the Knicks pick at 4, along with another guy out the top 10 in Kaminsky. You change your mind more than a girl in forever 22 brah. Take a Xanax and try not to start more than 10 threads between now and Thursday about your "final" mock draft. We're going Mudiay or Porzingis...unless somehow okafor or Russell fall in our lap. Mudiay will be a star for the Knicks, as long as Jackson somehow has the balls to fire Fisher...who is afraid to stand up to melo. And we NEED a coach willing to stand up to melo, for our coach to gain respect.

Yo, Johnny-come-lately with 23 posts, why don't you settle down and show a little respect for a poster that's been here for over a decade and knows basketball.
If you don't like BRIGGS' threads, go elsewhere.

I've been on these forums a lot longer than you think. I've got nothing personal against anyone here, when I see an idiotic statement, I'll call you out on it. Throwing up made up percentages, which no draft expert legitimizes in any way, by a guy who basically comes up with a new draft idea every 30 minutes does not impress me. Like I've said all along, we're taking Mudiay or Porzingis. Really starting to look like we're taking Porzingis though...

What you've said all along? In your 23 posts as of the time I called you out? Relax. BRIGGS has been here a long time, and has called a lot of things right. Even scouts change their minds coming up to the draft. Why should this bother you so much?

I think Wake up is Cosmic. He said he as been here for a long time.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think there is a 90% chance that we draft WCS with a pick somewhere from 4-7 but probably 4.

Ill give a 7 % chance to Frank Kaminsky with a pick from 4-7

2% chance that its Porzingis

and 1% to Winslow

I dont think that Mudiay or Hezonga have any chance to be Knicks

The first 3 guys taken are the names that are out there with no change.

We will buy a pick in late 40's and take an obscure name or one of the Harrison's

oh sh1t!!!!!

10 thousand similar posts that are completely wrong. Great ... 7 out of 10k he makes a decent pick.

Ain't nothing wrong with accountability. You create a billion posts ... man up to them.

dude, you're obsessed. briggs is a good poster.

that is your opinion. From what I see, he is wrong about almost everything he posts yet he will continue to ram it down our throats.

If you choose to post hard and often and be really strong in your conviction, then let it stand up to scrutiny and fact checking.

No need for some of you to just take everything as fact and assume that its all good.

I mean you have obsession with proving Briggs wrong, and you carry this belief that people just accept his musings as gospel. He is a good poster, but this just isnt the case.

He also comments more on players he has *seen* than any other poster. Many times he is right. Many others he is spot on. Its a message board, not government work

mreinman wrote:
I did not bump this thread.

But if you post 20 threads saying that Robin Lopez is not a good player, and people prove you wrong and just plain don't agree, and you post another 20 stating it again. That just really pisses me off.

KP should shoot only from spot x or spot x, repeat 1000 times, most argue and state how silly, 100 more threads ...

He's here to talk Knicks basketball and basketball in general. He makes a lot of observations - as Fish said - based on what he actually *SEES*, which is interesting. He has a certain POV - sometimes he's dead on, sometimes he's way off.

I can't claim to be 100% accurate and neither can you. We're just here to talk basketball. I think this place would lose a lot if it lost Briggs' posts - the right ones and the wrong ones.

crzymdups wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

tj23 wrote:I'm guessing Justise Winslow right now. Phil WAS talking about taking a big but now he has been talking about switching it up. I personally want Mudiay but I am predicting Winslow.

Id be very surprised. He talked about a mature game. Im not sure Winslow even knows what he is. He played 4 in college and is not a great shooter at 6-5. I think he is a good ballhandler but nothing special and well have to wait and see if he can take guys off the dribble. Hes not a polished player. We just traded away a guard who wasnt the best shooter at5 6-5 220 Iman Shumpert.

Out of curiosity, what aspect of WCS's game is mature that makes you think he the odds on favorite to be selected? I've personally never seen a player of his caliber have extended periods at the college level where he was unguarded, but couldn't take advantage.

That is a good question. Im going on Phill past statements of wanting a young Tyson Chandler.

Briggs you're obsessing over remarks Jackson made on April 3rd. Before the Final Four was even played. You think NOTHING he's seen since then has changed his mind? I sort of doubt that's true.

For the record, I think we're taking Porzingis. Phil's clumsy attempt to act like he got injured in a workout just stuck out like a sore thumb too much to me.

If it's Porzingis, I'll be very disappointed, but will try to keep an open mind.

But for the record - DAMN WAS I ON THE MONEY!

Yep....same here man. I said Mudiay would be the popular pick. But I knew out of all GM's, Phil has the balls to pick KP, eventhough the boos would follow, and his legacy would be impacted (slightly). But good call.....

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:
I did not bump this thread.

But if you post 20 threads saying that Robin Lopez is not a good player, and people prove you wrong and just plain don't agree, and you post another 20 stating it again. That just really pisses me off.

KP should shoot only from spot x or spot x, repeat 1000 times, most argue and state how silly, 100 more threads ...

He's here to talk Knicks basketball and basketball in general. He makes a lot of observations - as Fish said - based on what he actually *SEES*, which is interesting. He has a certain POV - sometimes he's dead on, sometimes he's way off.

I can't claim to be 100% accurate and neither can you. We're just here to talk basketball. I think this place would lose a lot if it lost Briggs' posts - the right ones and the wrong ones.

How do you know if he is dead on if he is so often way off? If I pushed 2500 players and I was dead on about 4, was I really dead on?

And, he is not just any poster, he is supposedly the UK draft guru (I am just any poster and I know that it all I am), so his prediction should be held up to the microscope just like we would for other supposed experts, no? He does not act like just another fan, he acts like he is giving a history/facts lecture.

And, my issue with his mainly is, if you say x and say it loudly and then x is disputed with data, you can't just ignore it and just move on to creating 10 more threads. He acts as if he does not need to defend his position because it is unimaginable that he is wrong and that he is above conversing with us peasants and IMHO, us peasants all look like we understand the game a lot better than he does. Maybe he understood the game back in the 70's. Not now from what I see.

If he respected other posters than he would deserve more respect. You and fish have an old soft spot for him from back in the day, but some of us just view him for what he is currently posting and to me, it aint a pretty picture.

Briggs has been posting here since 2002. I've been here since 2004 or so. I dunno man, I've certainly had my share of arguments with him - we went to war on Channing Frye vs Andrew Bynum in the 2005 draft... I respect his opinions, even though we often disagree on the way to draft or build basketball teams. He was right about Nate Robinson and David Lee back in those days. It's just one man's opinions. I'd say Briggs is probably more accurate in the draft than Chad Ford. And really, who cares? We're just talking about bball. Don't take it personally. There's no scoreboard on here.