It's obvious the guy has skills but just on one workout one simply cannot determine that he's a sure fire all star for years to come. I'd still take Okafor, Russell, and even Winslow over him. Sorry maybe I'm an old curmudgeon.

H1AND1 wrote:It's a workout. We could take a trip through memory lane of all the amazing workout videos of guys like Bargs, Yi Jianlan, Darko etc.

It's obvious the guy has skills but just on one workout one simply cannot determine that he's a sure fire all star for years to come. I'd still take Okafor, Russell, and even Winslow over him. Sorry maybe I'm an old curmudgeon.

Can't be sure of ANYONE in the draft, IMO, but some guys are talking like Porzingis was playing volleyball until last year, and this workout is the only time he has shown his stuff! Boggles the mind, to be honest.

Its a win/win for all of us that he made an impression. We get him, great. He bumps one of the big three to us, great.

H1AND1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:It's a workout. We could take a trip through memory lane of all the amazing workout videos of guys like Bargs, Yi Jianlan, Darko etc.

It's obvious the guy has skills but just on one workout one simply cannot determine that he's a sure fire all star for years to come. I'd still take Okafor, Russell, and even Winslow over him. Sorry maybe I'm an old curmudgeon.

Has been playing 2.5 years in Europe against men in one of the better leagues in the world. He has MUCH more experience against top competition than any of the guys coming out this year. Basketball is the family sport, even his bloody mom was a player.

Can't be sure of ANYONE in the draft, IMO, but some guys are talking like Porzingis was playing volleyball until last year, and this workout is the only time he has shown his stuff! Boggles the mind, to be honest.

Its a win/win for all of us that he made an impression. We get him, great. He bumps one of the big three to us, great.

Hey, it's just my opinion. Most of the Euro players who get drafted were previously playing against "men" since there isn't a college system of ball across the pond. Bargs was killing it over in Italh before it was drafted. My only point is I personally believe it's easier to get a handle on the American college players AND that 1 vs None workouts are deceptively skewed towards making the player look fantastic.

Don't get me wrong I'm ecstatic Porzingis is making GMs drool as you said because it increases the chances that one of the top prospects will fall to us.

They have a lot of leagues in Europe there are under 18 leagues there. I personally wouldn't pick any Euro player high up in the draft to me they are middle of the pack and lower.

That said, having watched video of at least a few of his games from last season, I don't think he is as NBA ready as some of the other top guys are right now. I know BRIGGS said he sees him as a 5 and I completely agree that will be his ideal position in today's NBA. Offensively, he is a very good shooter and it's incredible to see a 7'1 player shoot a 3 pointer as effortlessly as he does in a live game.

Defensively is where I think he will need to get much stronger and better. He can get pushed around pretty easily and gets boxed out by guys 5-6 inches shorter than him. Additionally, he often gives up good position in the paint to guys smaller than him and you can't help but wonder what will happen in the NBA when he battles with players that are quicker and stronger on average.

Don't want to take anything away from him, I think he has played very good competition and can be a scoring threat right off the bat if used properly. I would be thrilled to have him as a Knick but I would go into it knowing he is going to need time to develop. Blue chip prospect but curious to see if Phil is willing to develop someone like this when the city/media/fanbase is as impatient as it is right now.

If I had to guess and Towns/Okafor/Russell are off the board, I still think he goes with someone like Winslow....a player that is physically more ready to play right now and still has a high ceiling at 19 years old. Regardless of what happens, I think we all csn see that there will be someone really good available at #4....question is, will we draft that player?

H1AND1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:It's a workout. We could take a trip through memory lane of all the amazing workout videos of guys like Bargs, Yi Jianlan, Darko etc.

It's obvious the guy has skills but just on one workout one simply cannot determine that he's a sure fire all star for years to come. I'd still take Okafor, Russell, and even Winslow over him. Sorry maybe I'm an old curmudgeon.

Has been playing 2.5 years in Europe against men in one of the better leagues in the world. He has MUCH more experience against top competition than any of the guys coming out this year. Basketball is the family sport, even his bloody mom was a player.

Can't be sure of ANYONE in the draft, IMO, but some guys are talking like Porzingis was playing volleyball until last year, and this workout is the only time he has shown his stuff! Boggles the mind, to be honest.

Its a win/win for all of us that he made an impression. We get him, great. He bumps one of the big three to us, great.

Hey, it's just my opinion. Most of the Euro players who get drafted were previously playing against "men" since there isn't a college system of ball across the pond. Bargs was killing it over in Italh before it was drafted. My only point is I personally believe it's easier to get a handle on the American college players AND that 1 vs None workouts are deceptively skewed towards making the player look fantastic.

Don't get me wrong I'm ecstatic Porzingis is making GMs drool as you said because it increases the chances that one of the top prospects will fall to us.

American players are easier for us to deal with because we are watching them more often and there are more stories about them- agree on that- but the two top Euros in this draft, Porzingis and Hezonja, might end up being special players in the NBA if they play up to their ability, and if either of them had played here, we would look at them a lot differently.

Have to say, though, that some players looked at in this draft seem to be held to different standards, and criticisms used against one are not used against the other.

I think Bargs is the better cautionary tale when looking at Porzingis than Darko, whose name has been brought up by some people.

Yet Bargs would not be looked at the same way if he had been pick #4 in that draft, and he actually had some promising years in Toronto.
He seems to be incapable of being a consistent off the ball defender, and has some of the worst instinct as a rebounder I've ever seen, but he flashed some contract year skills last year when he finally came back from injury...another problem he always seems to have.

You might also look at the drafts from the last 10 years to see all the terrible picks- both domestic and foreign- made by teams.
Beasley, Thabeet, Williams, Bennet, Floyd, Biyombo, Vesley, that skinny Gonzaga dude...the list goes on.

I really do believe that he will be picked before we draft, but whatever happens, I think we are in a situation where we can't lose, which is pretty amazing after the shock of the lottery drawing.

BRIGGS wrote:Im saying it right now Porzingis is David Robinson. People wont even remember D Robinson was 6-8 220 at 19. Porzingis is 7-1 230.

...or he can be the next Anthony Randolph...

Knicksfan wrote:I hope this guy makes one of the original top three available. Thats all I care for him to do.

His videos look great but how many times have we seen this? Really? The team that drafted Danillo Gallinari and Maciej Lampe before?

Nah! Gimme a Russell or an Okafor every day of the week. This is a very important pick and we need to deliver with it. The draft may be a crapshot, but this lottery really has top talent available. Please, no project. Get the best player abailable.

Yes, but the problem is we don't have a shot at those two- so really you're left with the choice of gambling on a high risk, high reward, or taking a safer option. I go back and forth between the two.

FistOfOakley wrote:the reason i think why euro's are notoriously disappointing has exactly to do with the style of play over there... they are notoriously not very physical at all and it's something that american players get exposed to very quickly here... every tall person there wants to be the next KG or Dirk but ignore the physicality down low because no one plays that way in europe... dirk had a culture shock here and was very bad his rookie year but he immediately toughened up the very next season and worked on his jumper and post game every year to make it unstoppable.. and he only found success because he could bang a little bit and developed that killer shot...

there are a lot of things that big men need to be able to do and navigating tight spaces in the paint on both ends is probably the most important.. if you're not used to it you're going to make errant passes, turn the ball over and not score as well inside because it becomes infinitely harder in the nba due to the size and speed of everyone... just shooting 3pers is ok but no coach is going to give heavy minutes to a PF or C who doesn't grab a rebound or defend that well..

and that's the reason why i'm so down on porzingis... he doesn't rebound and the ball handling is a concern to the point that he's going to be afraid to put the ball on the floor.. the passing is a problem also... and all of a sudden you have a guy who's restricted to doing one thing... he doesn't protect the rim well enough to be reliable in that aspect either...

It seems like you forgotten this season already, I don't blame you, but the Knicks have minutes to Bargs and.Bargs jr two PFs/'s that didn't play D or rebound. Lol

Also, I'm not sure about the physicality disparity being as large a gap now that the big man has been marginalized.

FistOfOakley wrote:guys... it's a workout... it's spot up shots... don't get too carried away...

the guy didn't do anything outside of what he was known to be good at it... all the questions about him are when other players are on the floor with him.. rebounding, handling the ball, passing...

he will be 20 before the start of the season... he's the same age as most college sophs coming out..

It's a workout in front of the entire nba and he should've been sitting his pants and he went out and probably had the best individual workout any one has seen this pre draft. All of that pressure and kid aces it you think he is going 1-4 against Wisconsin? Or more like 17 points 8 rebounds 6 blocks.