Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

holfresh wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Dude!!!!!

The NBA s changing and we BETTER notice and change with it. Its the Spurs model that works. Monroe would nOT play for the Spurs--maybe Stein but not Monroe.

Monroe would eat Tiago Stiffer for lunch what are you babbling about. Splitter, Baynes, Ayers - no Monroe can't play with those studs.

Monroe's teams haven't won anything..Has been around 30 wins for 5 years..He looks like a guy who goes thru the motions..What's the appeal I'm missing??

Briggs said he couldn't play on the Spurs - I laugh at that comment.

Monroe would actually be a good fit for the spurs. He's a nice passing big man and can grow in a good environment. He's the type of player they would probably turn into a star.

They are great because they don't overpay players. They get the most out of every penny of cap space. They probably wouldn't spend more than like $8 or 9 mil per on a guy like Monroe. Otherwise, they pass and find a better deal with someone else.

They have never had to overpay. All their vets always agree to less. You don't think they will have to give Leonard the max this summer? Or will offer m gasol or Aldridge the max? And Monroe is well worth 16 mil. In 2 years that's a bargain contract

When was he injured last year? Would that account for his slowness at the end of the year?

I think he can do well in the Triangle, though, and we may get to see some of his underutilized passing ability.

BRIGGS wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:so you recommend drafting stein?

There are others avenues Id rather travel. One thing is for sure NOT Stein AND Monroe--wont work. Didnt work with Drummond who is WAY better than Stein.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

1st of all Monroe is not slow. He actually runs the floor at a high level and finishes on the break at a high level. He's just not a high jumper but he can move. He actually faces up and drives a lot.

2nd the Triangle is designed to work with more than one post player. It's also called the Triple Post offense.

3rd Phil won titles with the Triangle and was in the playoffs in 2011. Not that long ago at all. It's been successful in recent times. Many of today's players were in the league when he was still coaching.

4th the pairing of WCS and Monroe would make sense. There will be other bigs to give the team more versatility as well. There's clearly a way to build a team with enough flexibility to be able to match up with differen styles.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

A) Stein is faster and quicker than a PG. If you want to see what fast active bigs do for you, turn off your Frank Kaminsky highlight reel for a Minute and check out the NBA Finals where Mozgov and Thompson are playing insanely valuable roles.

B) Detroit never had Melo to spread the floor.

Excellent points. Team's will still have the problem of deciding who to double. The inside n outside action with WCS roaming for easy dunks will not be easy to deal with.

nixluva would you say LBJ is about 50 miles better than Carmelo? Monroe--if he scores 15-18 who cares. Somehwre if you dont play 5 who can score--you will not get to the number you need to OFFENSIVELY.

If defense wins games why didnt Clev smash GS tonight? They had the 3 BIGGEST guys on the floor!! GS did not even play well except the first quarter if they were humming it wouldve been a 35 point blowout. Cleveland can play the best D they can--and it wont matter.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

A) Stein is faster and quicker than a PG. If you want to see what fast active bigs do for you, turn off your Frank Kaminsky highlight reel for a Minute and check out the NBA Finals where Mozgov and Thompson are playing insanely valuable roles.

B) Detroit never had Melo to spread the floor.

Excellent points. Team's will still have the problem of deciding who to double. The inside n outside action with WCS roaming for easy dunks will not be easy to deal with.

nixluva would you say LBJ is about 50 miles better than Carmelo? Monroe--if he scores 15-18 who cares. Somehwre if you dont play 5 who can score--you will not get to the number you need to OFFENSIVELY.

If defense wins games why didnt Clev smash GS tonight? They had the 3 BIGGEST guys on the floor!! GS did not even play well except the first quarter if they were humming it wouldve been a 35 point blowout. Cleveland can play the best D they can--and it wont matter.

So, wait, are you still advocating Kaminsky? What are you advocating? Winslow?

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

A) Stein is faster and quicker than a PG. If you want to see what fast active bigs do for you, turn off your Frank Kaminsky highlight reel for a Minute and check out the NBA Finals where Mozgov and Thompson are playing insanely valuable roles.

B) Detroit never had Melo to spread the floor.

Excellent points. Team's will still have the problem of deciding who to double. The inside n outside action with WCS roaming for easy dunks will not be easy to deal with.

nixluva would you say LBJ is about 50 miles better than Carmelo? Monroe--if he scores 15-18 who cares. Somehwre if you dont play 5 who can score--you will not get to the number you need to OFFENSIVELY.

If defense wins games why didnt Clev smash GS tonight? They had the 3 BIGGEST guys on the floor!! GS did not even play well except the first quarter if they were humming it wouldve been a 35 point blowout. Cleveland can play the best D they can--and it wont matter.

GS was the best defensive team in the league so yes defense does win games.

They have quick perimeter based defense. Defense does not win championships anymore teams who play good offense and team defense like the spurs and the warriors do. Defense first won't work anymore with teams spreading the floor. Some people will see the trend some won't

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

A) Stein is faster and quicker than a PG. If you want to see what fast active bigs do for you, turn off your Frank Kaminsky highlight reel for a Minute and check out the NBA Finals where Mozgov and Thompson are playing insanely valuable roles.

B) Detroit never had Melo to spread the floor.

Excellent points. Team's will still have the problem of deciding who to double. The inside n outside action with WCS roaming for easy dunks will not be easy to deal with.

nixluva would you say LBJ is about 50 miles better than Carmelo? Monroe--if he scores 15-18 who cares. Somehwre if you dont play 5 who can score--you will not get to the number you need to OFFENSIVELY.

If defense wins games why didnt Clev smash GS tonight? They had the 3 BIGGEST guys on the floor!! GS did not even play well except the first quarter if they were humming it wouldve been a 35 point blowout. Cleveland can play the best D they can--and it wont matter.

So, wait, are you still advocating Kaminsky? What are you advocating? Winslow?

So far Briggs has advocated everyone but WCS so he has a very good chance of making a "i told you so" thread after the draft. LOL

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Best of luck watching the slow Monroe and the offensively challenged Stein get spread out and the Knicks can exploited like the Pistons did this year playing two bigs in.

You cant defend teams that have 5 guys who can shoot pass and drive. Were trying to go back to 1994 and it wont work.

1st of all Monroe is not slow. He actually runs the floor at a high level and finishes on the break at a high level. He's just not a high jumper but he can move. He actually faces up and drives a lot.

2nd the Triangle is designed to work with more than one post player. It's also called the Triple Post offense.

3rd Phil won titles with the Triangle and was in the playoffs in 2011. Not that long ago at all. It's been successful in recent times. Many of today's players were in the league when he was still coaching.

4th the pairing of WCS and Monroe would make sense. There will be other bigs to give the team more versatility as well. There's clearly a way to build a team with enough flexibility to be able to match up with differen styles.

Good points. I wish this board had a Like button to click on or something of the same so it could just be clicked instead of having to make a post to say i agree with what you said.

Thx. Phil was running in 2011 with Bynum n Gasol. The spacing in the Triangle is to overload one side of the floor and create space on the other side. The thing is that it all takes place closer to the basket because you have 2 post players on either side of the paint. This year we lacked talent that could finish the great looks they got but they were in prime scoring position.

Stein and Monroe are not close to Bynum and gasol

They don't have to be. There's a different dynamic on each of Phil's teams but the base principles are the same. The focus of the offense will be a little different but the overall function will be similar. We need a legit low post big who can pass and rebound. That is Monroe to a Tee. It appears WCS will be able to knock down a few open jumpers but his main purpose is to help us defend at a high level.

In terms of team building it would make sense. We need to build a team that can be flexible enough to play any kind of roster. Monroe n WCS won't be the only players we have. Phil will look for other players to bring different skills. He knows the pieces a team needs to be versatile.

newyorker4ever wrote:There's actually a center that might be a free agent if he opts out that i think would fit the triangle perfectly but he has the dreaded injury problems and that's B.Lopez. I would have him in the top of my free agent list if it wasn't for his injury problems and i still wouldn't hate it if we got him.

Here's a good plan if porzingis is available take him and let him develop. If okafor falls to 4 take him if none of these guys are there see if we can trade down for Kaminski and additional picks. Don't like Stein limited player who loses focus.3 years in school biggest game of his career and he doesn't show up