blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I'm a big believer in perimeter defenders if you're main guards can defend it can compensate for a lot

Its much easier to build around a rim protector than to find 4 wings that defend. The goal is to get to the rim.....With Stein back there it takes pressure off your wing defenders.

Yup! Your wings can play up on their man and force the drive where WCS is waiting. Once you have your defensive anchor it just makes everyone else better on D.

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I'm a big believer in perimeter defenders if you're main guards can defend it can compensate for a lot

Its much easier to build around a rim protector than to find 4 wings that defend. The goal is to get to the rim.....With Stein back there it takes pressure off your wing defenders.

Yup! Your wings can play up on their man and force the drive where WCS is waiting. Once you have your defensive anchor it just makes everyone else better on D.

I still don't know why BRIGGS continues to look down on Stein for other cats like Kaminsky. Yes Kaminsky has a nice game, but Stein is one of those once in a lifetime athletes. With the 4th pick, if Knicks truly want to win, they MUST select Stein.

Agile
Filine Quickness
Big (a true 7 feet tall player)
Defends all 5 positions
Blocks shots
Rebounds the ball
And steals the ball as well

Just envision an excellent defender like Larkins chasing the Pg with Stein also in pursuit of the ball. Both are quick and both have good defensive principles. That is Knicks basketball.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I'm a big believer in perimeter defenders if you're main guards can defend it can compensate for a lot

Its much easier to build around a rim protector than to find 4 wings that defend. The goal is to get to the rim.....With Stein back there it takes pressure off your wing defenders.

Yup! Your wings can play up on their man and force the drive where WCS is waiting. Once you have your defensive anchor it just makes everyone else better on D.

I still don't know why BRIGGS continues to look down on Stein for other cats like Kaminsky. Yes Kaminsky has a nice game, but Stein is one of those once in a lifetime athletes. With the 4th pick, if Knicks truly want to win, they MUST select Stein.

Agile
Filine Quickness
Big (a true 7 feet tall player)
Defends all 5 positions
Blocks shots
Rebounds the ball
And steals the ball as well

Just envision an excellent defender like Larkins chasing the Pg with Stein also in pursuit of the ball. Both are quick and both have good defensive principles. That is Knicks basketball.

I guess your just playing with posters now.

Why would I want to play with my posters? Doesn't it bother you to see how terrible the Knicks have been the last twenty years? Our roster has been one of the worst in the league. We are either too short or too slow; too many one trick ponies, etc. We have one chance to finally draft an anchor who could be around long term, and you are telling me I am playing; dude please!

Bonn1997 wrote:If you replaced your definitive statements about WCS with "My hope is WCS will...", no one would be disagreeing. But it's odd to be so definitive about the improvements a player will make in the NBA and it's even stranger to be definitive about those improvements with a guy who's been stuck for 3 years.

Exactamente. You could fill a stadium with prospects that have elite potential who never amounted to anything or who never fulfilled even an inkling of their potential.

H1AND1 wrote:WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

Yup...a THREE year college career in a great program which spits out talented bigs who can score. On offense he's played Robin to 3 Batman's...and never showed enough improvement in his offensive game to earn a greater role from Calipari.

Knicks1969 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I'm a big believer in perimeter defenders if you're main guards can defend it can compensate for a lot

Its much easier to build around a rim protector than to find 4 wings that defend. The goal is to get to the rim.....With Stein back there it takes pressure off your wing defenders.

Yup! Your wings can play up on their man and force the drive where WCS is waiting. Once you have your defensive anchor it just makes everyone else better on D.

I still don't know why BRIGGS continues to look down on Stein for other cats like Kaminsky. Yes Kaminsky has a nice game, but Stein is one of those once in a lifetime athletes. With the 4th pick, if Knicks truly want to win, they MUST select Stein.

Agile
Filine Quickness
Big (a true 7 feet tall player)
Defends all 5 positions
Blocks shots
Rebounds the ball
And steals the ball as well

Just envision an excellent defender like Larkins chasing the Pg with Stein also in pursuit of the ball. Both are quick and both have good defensive principles. That is Knicks basketball.

I guess your just playing with posters now.

Why would I want to play with my posters? Doesn't it bother you to see how terrible the Knicks have been the last twenty years? Our roster has been one of the worst in the league. We are either too short or too slow; too many one trick ponies, etc. We have one chance to finally draft an anchor who could be around long term, and you are telling me I am playing; dude please!

WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

I believe he is already a star. When teams have to gameplan around your talent you are special. I just happen to think that this dude will add offense to his already great talent to transform him into a superstar. Would you say that Rodman was a superstar?

Rodman's "stardom" was an extension of his off-the-court personality. He was clearly an insanely good rebounder and hard nosed defender who surely moved the needle for his teams in terms of contributing to winning. However, as i said above his "stardom" was more due to his antics off the court and his ready made for TMZ personality (before TMZ, but whatever i think you get my point).

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

Yup...a THREE year college career in a great program which spits out talented bigs who can score. On offense he's played Robin to 3 Batman's...and never showed enough improvement in his offensive game to earn a greater role from Calipari.

we would need him to be a robin not a batman. we already have a super super batman

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

Yup...a THREE year college career in a great program which spits out talented bigs who can score. On offense he's played Robin to 3 Batman's...and never showed enough improvement in his offensive game to earn a greater role from Calipari.

You would make a HORRIBLE scout. You think the Knicks scouted UK practices because they saw all they needed from the games? They know that there is more to all the players on Kentucky's team. They went to see more of the players skills which they might not use in the games. WCS has a lot of raw talent that he needs to develop. IMO WCS mostly just needs work on technique rather than him lacking the raw talent to actually become a better offensive player.

WCS is agile and coordinated enough to execute moves. He has a soft touch on his shots which he may not have always exhibited in games yet, but with work he should be able to get more comfortable executing properly in games. Just watch his workout video again and pay attention to the little things in his shooting and how he moves now with the ball. The sharpness of his movements is much improved. He's already getting better.

who the hell are you to tell someone they would make a HORRIBLE scout? you sit at a computer posting ****ing youtube videos. don't pretend you know more than anyone else on this forum because you don't. just because you ****ing like WCS, doesn't make you right - your over-indulged opinion of yourself is pathetic. take that **** somewhere else.

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

Yup...a THREE year college career in a great program which spits out talented bigs who can score. On offense he's played Robin to 3 Batman's...and never showed enough improvement in his offensive game to earn a greater role from Calipari.

You would make a HORRIBLE scout. You think the Knicks scouted UK practices because they saw all they needed from the games? They know that there is more to all the players on Kentucky's team. They went to see more of the players skills which they might not use in the games. WCS has a lot of raw talent that he needs to develop. IMO WCS mostly just needs work on technique rather than him lacking the raw talent to actually become a better offensive player.

WCS is agile and coordinated enough to execute moves. He has a soft touch on his shots which he may not have always exhibited in games yet, but with work he should be able to get more comfortable executing properly in games. Just watch his workout video again and pay attention to the little things in his shooting and how he moves now with the ball. The sharpness of his movements is much improved. He's already getting better.

who the hell are you to tell someone they would make a HORRIBLE scout? you sit at a computer posting ****ing youtube videos. don't pretend you know more than anyone else on this forum because you don't. just because you ****ing like WCS, doesn't make you right - your over-indulged opinion of yourself is pathetic. take that **** somewhere else.

Hey your opinion of me means next to nothing. I clearly stated why I said what I did. There is more to evaluating a player than what he did in games at the college level. That's why they have interviews, do thins like go to watch practice and conduct workouts and scrimmages. You think i'm off base the clearly you don't know enough about the process either. I'm not saying anything that is untrue. Towns has way more game than he was able to show at Kentucky. This happens all the time. That's why I said what I did. You can disagree with my statement all you like but i'm not wrong about this.

oh right, "you're not wrong about this" ...your self-inflated view of both yourself and your opinion is disgusting. once again you've missed the point and your attack on waltlongmire for simply disagreeing with you shows just how lost you are.

nixluva wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

Yup...a THREE year college career in a great program which spits out talented bigs who can score. On offense he's played Robin to 3 Batman's...and never showed enough improvement in his offensive game to earn a greater role from Calipari.

You would make a HORRIBLE scout. You think the Knicks scouted UK practices because they saw all they needed from the games? They know that there is more to all the players on Kentucky's team. They went to see more of the players skills which they might not use in the games. WCS has a lot of raw talent that he needs to develop. IMO WCS mostly just needs work on technique rather than him lacking the raw talent to actually become a better offensive player.

WCS is agile and coordinated enough to execute moves. He has a soft touch on his shots which he may not have always exhibited in games yet, but with work he should be able to get more comfortable executing properly in games. Just watch his workout video again and pay attention to the little things in his shooting and how he moves now with the ball. The sharpness of his movements is much improved. He's already getting better.

Just like Yi Jianlan looked like a superstar against the chair in his "workout" video. These workout videos are probably the _worst_ way to judge a prospects talent. Getting boned up over a easy peasy workout video doesn't bode well for ones scouting abilities either. Just saying.

1st of all you can see how amazing WCS was on defense in college. The guy is clearly an elite defensive player. 2nd he wasn't a complete zero offensively. He did show some raw offensive ability. Looking shaky is not the same as looking awful or incapable. You can see the ability to physically execute offensive moves, but he needed more refinement and to correct poor technique. With lots of work he can correct poor technique and gain confidence in his offense in live game action.

Once again it wasn't that WCS COULDN'T make moves offensively. He wasn't as advanced as he could be but he could actually make a post move and shoot a jumper with good form. It's a lie that people are perpetuating that he couldn't actually ever do these things in games. He was inconsistent in executing proper technique. This he can work on and improve. I believe he's already making improvement and he looks way more sharp and decisive in his movements. I'm telling you that people shouldn't make up their mind that WCS won't be able to become an effective enough offensive player.

First of all what would be the benefit of Kentucky not showcasing WCS' offensive game if it was indeed such an enticing part of this game. Why didn't it improve over 3 years? Secondly, you are saying he was "inconsistent". Nice moving of the goalposts. So his offense was simply inconsistent, not underdeveloped, or mostly non-existent. I see. Makes sense...

These are valid concerns, Nixluva, no matter how many times you say this stuff the fact remains that they dont bode well for his future development. There is simply no guarantee WCS' offensive game is going to all of a sudden flourish in the NBA. Im pretty sure he'll be a helluva defender and if that's why yuo advocate taking him at 4 then that's your perogative. But to continue to state that WCS is some kind of offensive dynamo waiting to emerge the minute he is drafted by the Knicks is a flat out opinion that is very, very, very far from a sure thing.

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:WCS has been a one trick pony his entire college career. You expect all of a sudden for him to morph into a star in the NBA?

Yup...a THREE year college career in a great program which spits out talented bigs who can score. On offense he's played Robin to 3 Batman's...and never showed enough improvement in his offensive game to earn a greater role from Calipari.

You would make a HORRIBLE scout. You think the Knicks scouted UK practices because they saw all they needed from the games? They know that there is more to all the players on Kentucky's team. They went to see more of the players skills which they might not use in the games. WCS has a lot of raw talent that he needs to develop. IMO WCS mostly just needs work on technique rather than him lacking the raw talent to actually become a better offensive player.

WCS is agile and coordinated enough to execute moves. He has a soft touch on his shots which he may not have always exhibited in games yet, but with work he should be able to get more comfortable executing properly in games. Just watch his workout video again and pay attention to the little things in his shooting and how he moves now with the ball. The sharpness of his movements is much improved. He's already getting better.

who the hell are you to tell someone they would make a HORRIBLE scout? you sit at a computer posting ****ing youtube videos. don't pretend you know more than anyone else on this forum because you don't. just because you ****ing like WCS, doesn't make you right - your over-indulged opinion of yourself is pathetic. take that **** somewhere else.

Hey your opinion of me means next to nothing. I clearly stated why I said what I did. There is more to evaluating a player than what he did in games at the college level. That's why they have interviews, do thins like go to watch practice and conduct workouts and scrimmages. You think i'm off base the clearly you don't know enough about the process either. I'm not saying anything that is untrue. Towns has way more game than he was able to show at Kentucky. This happens all the time. That's why I said what I did. You can disagree with my statement all you like but i'm not wrong about this.

oh right, "you're not wrong about this" ...your self-inflated view of both yourself and your opinion is disgusting. once again you've missed the point and your attack on waltlongmire for simply disagreeing with you shows just how lost you are.

You haven't said anything that refutes what I said about how a player should be evaluated. You simply don't like my posting style. The language I use may not be to your liking but that doesn't invalidate the points I was making. If you have a different view and can back up that view with sound reasoning then go ahead and do that. Otherwise I don't see a point to your posts cursing me and attacking me. My saying I thought he'd make a horrible scout and then explaining why I felt that, is not the most vicious personal attack that you seem to think it was.

there have been plenty of posters (myself included) throughout the years that have provided "sound reasoning" refuting your points but all you've ever done is attack them over it, pretending that you know something that no else does. waltlongmire (who hasn't been here long) has provided plenty of "sound reasoning" in this thread and you have the nerve to tell him things like "you'd make a HORRIBLE scout." ive been here long enough to tell you that i think that's ****ed up.