nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Here's a list of a few guys that are gonna workout for the Knicks but someone will have to repost this link for me cause it won't work for me on here.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/The-Knicks-arent-working-out-just-lottery-guys-2-11481748

When I went to the link I got a blank page.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Willie-Cauley-Stein-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5045

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:WCS workout:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Willie-Cauley-Stein-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5045

This kid is mobile and can shoot. He's not KAT, but who is.

He's going to be very very good. The coach they interview says he's more athletic than Tyson Chandler and he's right. He also points out that with so much talent, Coach Cal must give guys very narrow roles. I think Stein will do things outside what people saw at KU. Same with Towns. They're both going to be great.

I don't know whether to take Stein or Winslow or even Mudiay at 4, but if I'm the Knicks those are the guys I'm looking hard at and learning every single thing I can about all three of those guys.

The pick should be Stein because he makes everyone else look good when he is on the floor. I would do Winslow as well, but since we don't have a big who can defend, and sine Stein is THAT gifted at 7' tall on defense,he is the pick

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

One thing with Winslow and Stein - those guys didn't just go to college, they went to elite NBA basketball institutions. Kentucky in particular is like NBA finishing school for top prospects these days. Coach K is heavily involved with Team USA, etc. I think that puts them ahead of Mudiay in terms of their first few years in the league - I think Mudiay set his development back going to play in China vs getting coached by Larry Brown.

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

One thing with Winslow and Stein - those guys didn't just go to college, they went to elite NBA basketball institutions. Kentucky in particular is like NBA finishing school for top prospects these days. Coach K is heavily involved with Team USA, etc. I think that puts them ahead of Mudiay in terms of their first few years in the league - I think Mudiay set his development back going to play in China vs getting coached by Larry Brown.

I think your still over valuing college basketball. Let's see Mudiay in his workouts that's the only way you can really determine what he can do and what he can't.

That's fair - though I'm not talking about the games, I'm talking about the practices and the culture. That has to have a positive effect. It's essentially like getting a kid who went to Harvard Law or something. It doesn't tell you everything and it's not a lock they'll be the most successful or anything... but it's also not meaningless.

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:WCS workout:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Willie-Cauley-Stein-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5045

This kid is mobile and can shoot. He's not KAT, but who is.

He's going to be very very good. The coach they interview says he's more athletic than Tyson Chandler and he's right. He also points out that with so much talent, Coach Cal must give guys very narrow roles. I think Stein will do things outside what people saw at KU. Same with Towns. They're both going to be great.

I don't know whether to take Stein or Winslow or even Mudiay at 4, but if I'm the Knicks those are the guys I'm looking hard at and learning every single thing I can about all three of those guys.

Before Bonn's Tyson radar goes off let me say that the trainer is wrong. Tyson workouts looked a lot like Towns when he was coming out of H.S. It was a long time ago so people forget and its the trainer job to hype his client.

Like some have said a lot of players can shoot in practice and training. D.Howard is a good Ft shooter in practice. I will say that his form on his release is very smooth but then again Tyson has a great form and so does Deandre Jordon on his Fts.

The question is with such great form and release mechanics why isn't he a better Ft shooter? To his credit he has improved but its still was 61% last year which is terrible for such a guy who can "shoot". If his FTs are not translating in a game will his jumper translate? WHo knows.

Stein saving grace for me(I'm not a big fan) is that hopefully, at least he can be a tall version of Draymond Green. Green is not a good 3pt shooter and struggles at the line too. He had better FT% at MSU though. So he is one blueprint for Stein. Another guy is Serge Ibaka, do people realize that Ibaka and Green are the same age, he is the rim protector/ floor spacer that teams dream of. I don't think anyone thought Ibaka could be a stretch player but now he is.

So maybe there is a chance for Stein

The Jumper is just an additional tool for WCS. He's still gonna be a bigger threat to attack the basket. I think it may start to settle into the minds of those who have been down on taking WCS that he's the right pick. No one else offers the key PnR defense and Rim Protection that he could offer this team. Its the biggest area of need that is the hardest thing to actually find.

We can get scoring elsewhere. We can get a perimeter defender, but an anchor to the team's defense is something hard to pick up in Free Agency. At least not for cheap. WCS looked a lot more fluid in that workout video and he looks more confident. I actually think he'll be ready to have a bigger role offensively. He won't be a big time offensive player but he should be able to score effectively enough to be a big plus for this team.

nixluva wrote:So we've got Mudiay coming in monday June 8th and WCS coming in June 16th for workouts. It's going to get interesting.

Jerry West liked what he saw, that right there is something to go on.

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:So we've got Mudiay coming in monday June 8th and WCS coming in June 16th for workouts. It's going to get interesting.

Jerry West liked what he saw, that right there is something to go on.

Mudiay is going to kill in workouts. We are going to see more chatter about him being in consideration for pick 1 and 2 all the way up to the draft. He has that tier 1 upside, same as the other 3. He's got franchise changing potential.

Works with the Lakers on Sat.

Ford said Mudiay worked on his body and came in with 9 lbs of added muscle

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https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/606885656636162048

Also showing distance with his Jumper. That shot ain't broken folks.

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https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/606915746707283968/video/1

Some eye-candy for people turned on by this kind of thing.

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https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/606902995368865792

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

Let me ask you a question

Kaminsky was 1/2 taller than Stein. His all around game is hundred of miles ahead of Stein.

Lets do this--lets put Stein on Wisconsin and Kaminsky on Kentucky--who wins?

I get that Stein is a C with nice athletic ability--hey his jumpshot looks improved. But what I saw in the games was a very inconsistent player. How does inconsistency over 3 years translate to the pros? Isnt that a major red flag? When you hear that Kaminsky busted his face went to the hospital and came back to play--what does that say to you? When Hornacek is describing him you could see that he was holding back admiration yet still calling his skills diverse and excellent. So if we cant teach size how about the best skill player in the draft also being the tallest?

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:I still have to see Mudiay and Winslow in their work outs.

I agree to an extent. But, Mudiay and Winslow wont impact the game on the same level as Stein can on defense (protecting the rim, guarding the PNR, etc). Stein is 7'1...cant teach size. If he shows the potential to have some type of offensive game, it will be very hard to pass Stein up....

Let me ask you a question

Kaminsky was 1/2 taller than Stein. His all around game is hundred of miles ahead of Stein.

Lets do this--lets put Stein on Wisconsin and Kaminsky on Kentucky--who wins?

I get that Stein is a C with nice athletic ability--hey his jumpshot looks improved. But what I saw in the games was a very inconsistent player. How does inconsistency over 3 years translate to the pros? Isnt that a major red flag? When you hear that Kaminsky busted his face went to the hospital and came back to play--what does that say to you? When Hornacek is describing him you could see that he was holding back admiration yet still calling his skills diverse and excellent. So if we cant teach size how about the best skill player in the draft also being the tallest?

Go back to the some threads in early April and you can see the initial reaction to how Kaminsky and Stein played in their game. I think a lot of folks wanted to see the KU/Duke matchup, and were very unhappy with the score and how some played. Some of the people who love Stein now felt differently back then, or at least didn't support him as he got ripped.

KU would have destroyed them if those 2 had switched sides. A Towns/Kaminsky inside outside game would have been unstoppable. Not sure Wisconsin would have made it to the semis.