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The case for Willie Cauley-Stein
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Hamo49
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5/21/2015  11:19 PM
nixluva wrote:
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Hamo49 wrote:Hi all, I'm new. What do people think is our biggest need? A potential all star defender or a potential all star PG??
I don't want to be using #4 to grab a talent who is projected to be picked later in the draft. But if we determine that the defender is who we want, then work out a trade with a team #6-10 and we get who we are willing to grab with #4 plus additional assets

Hamo--I think the NBA plays small. I don't think the Knicks should attempt to acquire BOTh Greg Monroe and WCS. That simply did NOT work in Detroit. It clogs the middle of the lane which creates problems for guards looking for driving lanes and various different types of offensive spacing. WCS is a poor passer he is not engaged at all times and buy this red flag--when you go into a title game and give a 2 point 5 rebound performance that was backed up by 4 other crp performances with extended minutes--buyer beware. Does he have good moments--yes. Does he sustain that play--no. As bad as WCS was against Wisconsin--he was abused worse by Pat Connaghtoun and the Irish. The better the opponent was this year--the worse WCS played. I really think he has a BUST factor even at 7-1. If the Knicks can slip down and find a pick for Jordan Mickey--I think he would be a much better choice--MUCH cheaper and can really guard 2-3-4 and even some 5. I think there are other cheaper options in the 2nd round that can give us better two way play.


Only thing i'll say in regards to this is that we don't run a system that has a problem with clogging the middle. By design it's a post offense. In fact the real name of the offense is the Triple Post Offense. Low Post Sideline Triangle. Pinch Post on the Weak side. Strong side 2 Man Game. Baseline V Cut. I can go on and on. It doesn't matter how other teams are playing. On this team we're running The Triangle. Since it's designed to work with Post players it's not about the lane being clogged. It's a constant motion offense! If you want to know how WCS would play in the offense I posted a video of Amundson who is a less talented player playing the role that WCS would play if he was on the team. There's no guess work involved.

Lou isn't a good player but you can see how it's possible for a player to stay active and keep moving, setting picks and screens and hustling on the boards. This is a motion offense and since players should be moving if they aren't posting there shouldn't be any issues with clogging. All of the movement is prescribed based on what the defense does. You have simple choices. Either you make an Inside Cut or an Outside Cut, Back Door Cut. Flash into the paint, set a screen, bounce out to the Elbow... The Point is you keep moving and passing and the timing and spacing on all of this becomes second nature over time.

Thanks guys.
So with all the bigs available in free agency & later in the draft.. wouldn't we be better off grabbing which ever PG falls to #4 eg.Mudiay and then use our cap room for big's???

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nixluva
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5/22/2015  12:03 AM
Hamo49 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:Hi all, I'm new. What do people think is our biggest need? A potential all star defender or a potential all star PG??
I don't want to be using #4 to grab a talent who is projected to be picked later in the draft. But if we determine that the defender is who we want, then work out a trade with a team #6-10 and we get who we are willing to grab with #4 plus additional assets

Hamo--I think the NBA plays small. I don't think the Knicks should attempt to acquire BOTh Greg Monroe and WCS. That simply did NOT work in Detroit. It clogs the middle of the lane which creates problems for guards looking for driving lanes and various different types of offensive spacing. WCS is a poor passer he is not engaged at all times and buy this red flag--when you go into a title game and give a 2 point 5 rebound performance that was backed up by 4 other crp performances with extended minutes--buyer beware. Does he have good moments--yes. Does he sustain that play--no. As bad as WCS was against Wisconsin--he was abused worse by Pat Connaghtoun and the Irish. The better the opponent was this year--the worse WCS played. I really think he has a BUST factor even at 7-1. If the Knicks can slip down and find a pick for Jordan Mickey--I think he would be a much better choice--MUCH cheaper and can really guard 2-3-4 and even some 5. I think there are other cheaper options in the 2nd round that can give us better two way play.


Only thing i'll say in regards to this is that we don't run a system that has a problem with clogging the middle. By design it's a post offense. In fact the real name of the offense is the Triple Post Offense. Low Post Sideline Triangle. Pinch Post on the Weak side. Strong side 2 Man Game. Baseline V Cut. I can go on and on. It doesn't matter how other teams are playing. On this team we're running The Triangle. Since it's designed to work with Post players it's not about the lane being clogged. It's a constant motion offense! If you want to know how WCS would play in the offense I posted a video of Amundson who is a less talented player playing the role that WCS would play if he was on the team. There's no guess work involved.

Lou isn't a good player but you can see how it's possible for a player to stay active and keep moving, setting picks and screens and hustling on the boards. This is a motion offense and since players should be moving if they aren't posting there shouldn't be any issues with clogging. All of the movement is prescribed based on what the defense does. You have simple choices. Either you make an Inside Cut or an Outside Cut, Back Door Cut. Flash into the paint, set a screen, bounce out to the Elbow... The Point is you keep moving and passing and the timing and spacing on all of this becomes second nature over time.

Thanks guys.
So with all the bigs available in free agency & later in the draft.. wouldn't we be better off grabbing which ever PG falls to #4 eg.Mudiay and then use our cap room for big's???


That's obviously an option. I think it all depends on how Phil looks at this pick. Is he trying to go for max upside or just a solid piece that can fix the defense? I can't read which way the Knicks are going. Stein at #4 is a big stretch so it would likely only happen if there was a trade. Mudiay and Russell are the clear 3-4 picks in this draft IMO.
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5/22/2015  12:35 AM
Stein is a special player folks
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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5/22/2015  1:39 PM
I like WCS....just not a 4.....This is a case where I would make a trade and get him later in the draft. But he has as much value as D.Jordan or Tyson Chandler.....And both centers can add value to a championship team. But you trade down for him.
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The case for Willie Cauley-Stein

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