mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him

You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...

The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post

The original post is about melo AND cp3 which is the reason you requested to forget about him the post I quoted. Melo was the reason it was posted but the discussion is more so about Paul.

Where you been? People are constantly $hitting on Paul, Harden, George & Blake in a desperate attempt to pump up Melo. Do I have to find the threads from the past 3yrs?

I've been here. Guys from both the pro and anti melo camp bring up those players and they've both done it either initially or in response to the other camp. Its not always about propping melo up. You've bashed him enough to know it goes both ways.

it certainly goes both ways.

Both sides have some really silly extremists.

I can only think of 1 or 2 anti-Melo extremists and one is no longer with us. I've seen far more $hit on other more successful players to try to pump up Melo

well of course being that the pro melo side has gotten obliterated over the last couple of years.

many of the extreme melo apologists have started to distance themselves from him (and rightfully so, he has not helped them at all).

No they haven't gone anywhere as evident by this thread. They rather go down with the ship. I root for the uniform more than I root for any particular player. I'm certainly not going to root for a primadonna like Melo over the Knicks

I am a Melo fan, but am a knicks fan first and foremost. If Melo left tomorrow, i would not be concerned one bit. I don't defend his lack of playoff success, or his struggles as a passer and defender. He's a great scorer, one of the best. He's also a star in this league. That being said, as a Knick, he is actually more criticized than most other stars, Paul included. I think people focus way too much on pro-Melo or anti-Melo. It's either one extreme or the other, never in between. I would consider myself pro-Melo because i think he's a great player and we benefit from him, however i am not blind to the criticism that is warranted, which plenty of it is. I know you weren't referring to me, but obviously as the thread creator, i have to take some responsibility knowing this thread would bait people into a Melo conversation.

fair take ... and I am sure you understand why he gets a beating by many. There is logic to it.

I was mostly pro melo and held out hope until he signed this contract and to top that off, he played like sh1t this season and refused to pass.

Then that Joke with the all star game? C'mon ... any other player would get absolutely crushed for all this crap.

He is not held to a higher standard, he is held to a much lower standard by fans who are desperate for a savior.

I absolutely do, and the criticism is all warranted. What i disagree with is a few folks severely underrating him to make a point. Saying he belongs as a 6th man or whatever is just an insult to basketball minds. He is what he is, a flawed star. Hopefully we can find the right combination of players to play alongside him and get this team competitive again.

yeah ... thats also a joke.

some people hate him and can't see past that.

I don't hate him at all. I hate certain attributes of his game.

If he could just pass more and shoot less/smarter, he would be a great offensive player.

Choosing to chuck instead of pass is all on him. No excuses! Look at Houston, they are enabling crappy players and they are coming through. If Melo was on that team and taking 35 shots a game, his apologist would be asking

"well who should he pass to, they all stink"

Well .... they partly all stink because you won't pass them the ball.

Look at all these players who are shining away from the knicks.

gunsnewing wrote:The triangle is suppose to make it easier for star players to score. Instead of working hard to isolate. Unfortunately Melo is not in that league. He doesn't have the IQ and is not a 2-way player by he is paid like one. This is why Melo had such a hard time sticking with he triangle and downright stop trying and wound up doing his own thing again.

don't try to put any blame on him.

Before you know it, someone will post some articles about how great Melo plays in the playoffs when all evidence says otherwise.

gunsnewing wrote:The triangle is suppose to make it easier for star players to score. Instead of working hard to isolate. Unfortunately Melo is not in that league. He doesn't have the IQ and is not a 2-way player by he is paid like one. This is why Melo had such a hard time sticking with he triangle and downright stop trying and wound up doing his own thing again.

How did the triangle do with just Kobe???? Or when has the triangle worked without PJax in the NBA Or When has the triangle worked without a defensive stud on the front line and two all stars...

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The triangle is suppose to make it easier for star players to score. Instead of working hard to isolate. Unfortunately Melo is not in that league. He doesn't have the IQ and is not a 2-way player by he is paid like one. This is why Melo had such a hard time sticking with he triangle and downright stop trying and wound up doing his own thing again.

How did the triangle do with just Kobe????

Fine because Kobe played defense and like Michael understood the value of trusting teammates in crunch time

Wrong his team slumped below .500..They won 37 games...Look it up...

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasolchampionship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasolchampionship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

Right..Smush Parker, Odom, Bynum...Melo hurt and playing half year with d leaguers..Yeah same thing...

I like Paul's game, I don't like some of his on court antics, and the only problem I have is him letting Jason Terry guard him in the 4th ate of game 6. That's pretty much it.

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I was referring to the Gasol championship team but to answer your question. Kobe won 37 games playing alongside Smush Fuckin Parker. 37 wins! We won 17 this year and Melo's ex-teammates are succeeding for their teams in playoffs . That is the difference right there between Volume Scorer Melo and 2-way Kobe

Come on man, they won 34 games and had Odom and Butler, both all-star caliber players far better than anyone on the knicks. Kobe has always played with talent, but never won without a superstar big man alongside him.

whats the point of all this?

Are we trying to compare Melo to Kobe? Kobe is obviously the much better player but he has his own flaws and was also a super chucker.

When Kobe doesn't have talent he turns into arguably the most selfish player in the game.

Shaq is likely one of the 10 greatest players ever to play the game. Can someone please tell me when Melo played next to someone that was averaging 27pts 12rbs 3ass 2blks every year?

The guy had Odom, Gasol and Bynum.

You took MJ off the Bulls they almost went to the coference finals. Pippen was a top 30 player all-time.

Let's see what happens when we give the guy one All-Star player before trashing him.