NardDogNation wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

You're making the assumption that all that money goes toward something that furthers learning opportunities for each student. A sizable amount of that spending, however, probably goes to security apparati like metal detectors, scanners, guards, etc and patch work on dilapidated buildings that are energy inefficient and should be torn down. But thank you for caring so much about this situation to make this just your 33rd post since you joined in 2011.

*citation needed*

also, Baltimore got 1.8 BILLION dollars from the stimulus. That included 467.1 Million for education. Yea, time to stop repeating the BS that this is amount money. This is about culture.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/

I didn't know that primarily lurking wasn't allowed around here. My apologies, I'll do my best to let you continue freely spreading false information.

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

actofgod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

What the hll is a situation where a kid does not want to learn? School isnt for everyone later on but in 1-2-3-4 etc.. EVERY kid needs to learn fundamentals of education and I see NO reason why they wouldnt want to or arent encouraged by their parents. If the parents cant be responsible for simple parenting--they should give up their rights as a parent.

Some neighborhoods, cultures, etc. simply don't value education. Parents may not be around, concerned with other things, or just generally ****ty. The children see the people around them not give a ****, and they learn to not give a **** (applies to the area where they live as well). Other groups of people put an extremely high value on it, and the results show the difference. Either way, a child will absolutely fail if he or she doesn't have support at home. That's why simply reverting to some oft-repeated talking point about throwing more money at a problem is silly.

Education is part of the solution, obviously, but there needs to be a family, culture and mindset change for any of this to actually work. You can't buy your way out of this problem.

Baltimore and other cities have their own problems with their own excuses and at the end of the day it just poor character issues. They like to lay blame elsewhere because its convenient but no--it's their own problem lazy with poor values. .

actofgod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

What the hll is a situation where a kid does not want to learn? School isnt for everyone later on but in 1-2-3-4 etc.. EVERY kid needs to learn fundamentals of education and I see NO reason why they wouldnt want to or arent encouraged by their parents. If the parents cant be responsible for simple parenting--they should give up their rights as a parent.

Some neighborhoods, cultures, etc. simply don't value education. Parents may not be around, concerned with other things, or just generally ****ty. The children see the people around them not give a ****, and they learn to not give a **** (applies to the area where they live as well). Other groups of people put an extremely high value on it, and the results show the difference. Either way, a child will absolutely fail if he or she doesn't have support at home. That's why simply reverting to some oft-repeated talking point about throwing more money at a problem is silly.

Education is part of the solution, obviously, but there needs to be a family, culture and mindset change for any of this to actually work. You can't buy your way out of this problem.

I agree, there needs to be way more attention, focus, and energy on parenting. That's where leadership and money should be targeted. Its extremely hard to raise a child especially in some of the situations and circumstances that will be presented to them. Not all parents are up to the task in these tougher environments. If a child wasn't educated or properly trained by there parents on how to be a parent though. They will one day have kids and the cycle will probably continue. You can't really blame a parent when they weren't equipped to do so by there parents. So how do you break that cycle? Whats in place to break this cycle? While people finding a way to succeed or fail on there own is the American way. Its not the best system for high success rates.

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

actofgod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

What the hll is a situation where a kid does not want to learn? School isnt for everyone later on but in 1-2-3-4 etc.. EVERY kid needs to learn fundamentals of education and I see NO reason why they wouldnt want to or arent encouraged by their parents. If the parents cant be responsible for simple parenting--they should give up their rights as a parent.

Some neighborhoods, cultures, etc. simply don't value education. Parents may not be around, concerned with other things, or just generally ****ty. The children see the people around them not give a ****, and they learn to not give a **** (applies to the area where they live as well). Other groups of people put an extremely high value on it, and the results show the difference. Either way, a child will absolutely fail if he or she doesn't have support at home. That's why simply reverting to some oft-repeated talking point about throwing more money at a problem is silly.

Education is part of the solution, obviously, but there needs to be a family, culture and mindset change for any of this to actually work. You can't buy your way out of this problem.

Baltimore and other cities have their own problems with their own excuses and at the end of the day it just poor character issues. They like to lay blame elsewhere because its convenient but no--it's their own problem lazy with poor values. .

Your sweeping generalizations are more ignorant than these so called poor people you know nothing about.

I didnt say a word about anyone being poor financially? I said ANYONE who makes excuses about why they cant help their kids get an education or why their kids feel like they cant learn has "poor character". A 6 year old goes to kindergarten--each day their parent lays down a set of rules that start the homework cycle from that age. You can play this long--you can watch TV this long you need to eat this and you go to bed at this time and you give the child a book a half hour before they go to sleep. Really not hard--is it work and responsibility --yes but thats what being a parent is about.

Uptown wrote:

actofgod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

You're making the assumption that all that money goes toward something that furthers learning opportunities for each student. A sizable amount of that spending, however, probably goes to security apparati like metal detectors, scanners, guards, etc and patch work on dilapidated buildings that are energy inefficient and should be torn down. But thank you for caring so much about this situation to make this just your 33rd post since you joined in 2011.

*citation needed*

also, Baltimore got 1.8 BILLION dollars from the stimulus. That included 467.1 Million for education. Yea, time to stop repeating the BS that this is amount money. This is about culture.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/

I didn't know that primarily lurking wasn't allowed around here. My apologies, I'll do my best to let you continue freely spreading false information.

First off, I am a public school teacher and perhaps I can shed some light here.

I agree that the parents interest or lack there can have a negative effect on their children's education. Absentee parents, single parent, working two jobs, multiple kids, family hardships, apathy and disinterest) is putting more pressure, unfairly on teachers and the school system. Society also plays a role in the child's education. No denying that.

However, let's address the money being pumped into the education system. First off, I can guarantee, none of that money is going into the pockets of teachers. I'm a public school teacher in Atlanta, and I haven't gotten a raise in 7 years, yet my work-load and stress increases every year. Administration is putting extreme pressure on the teachers to increase test scores from pre to mid to post tests, make sure kids aren't failing classes at the end of each semester, and tend to each individual needs of the kids (differentiation) eventhough I got 33 kids in each classroom. If a kids is failing, I have to stay after school for an hour/hour and a half or come early before school for tutoring. Then, I have to give each and every one of my 113 students multiple opportunities to pass by allowing them to do assignments over 3,4, 5 or however long it takes for them to master the strand. This means when I officially clock out at 4:30, I'm still working at home grading assessments, creating new activities which takes away time from my own kids. I am not saying this to complain, but its a strain and raises the stress level of many teachers, making them disgruntled, especially when most of us are living check to check. So, the billion dollars you are talking about are not going to people who are doing the grunt work.

So where does it go? I'll tell you. The money goes to these so called education innovators who either never stepped foot in a classroom or are dozens of years removed and are out of touch with the times. These innovators are paid loads of money to conduct staff developments which we teachers are forced to go to and learn about new, innovative ways to teach or to use new programs. The problem with this is, in theory some of the ideas seem good, but in reality, it doesn't work in a classroom full of 30 kids, some with extreme behavior problems, etc. The other problem with these new programs are, they seem to turn them over every 3 years or so. By the time teachers have mastered one innovation, the powers that be change it up.

Most of the money is going into testing. Here in Atlanta, we just got rid of the CRCT exam and are now giving the Milestone or GMAT. I can tell you, this has cost the state of Ga millions of dollars. To be frank, the test is sh@t. Yes, its better than the previous, but all the kids do is test, test and test some more. From Milestone, to Interims, to CoGat, Iowa exams, State Pre and Post each semester, SPG's, EOG's, these students are testing way too much. And it forcing us teachers to teach to the test because if their scores are low, we feel the wrath of administration. And all of these test cost hundreds of thousands and in the case of Milestones, millions.

The money also goes to useless technology, gadgets and literature books. I have three technology gadgets sitting in my room collecting dusts because two aren't necessary and the other look useful, but we never had a staff development on how to properly use it and integrate it into the classroom. I have 3 dozens of lit books that was purchased with billions of dollars you speak of and I've read maybe two of them. The others, I either don't have the time or by the time I pick it up and start reading, I'm handed 3 more lit books.

In the end, the money is not going to people who really need it....Most of the money is wasted and the people who know what to do with the money, don't have a say....

God bless you!!!

Uptown wrote:

actofgod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

You're making the assumption that all that money goes toward something that furthers learning opportunities for each student. A sizable amount of that spending, however, probably goes to security apparati like metal detectors, scanners, guards, etc and patch work on dilapidated buildings that are energy inefficient and should be torn down. But thank you for caring so much about this situation to make this just your 33rd post since you joined in 2011.

*citation needed*

also, Baltimore got 1.8 BILLION dollars from the stimulus. That included 467.1 Million for education. Yea, time to stop repeating the BS that this is amount money. This is about culture.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/

I didn't know that primarily lurking wasn't allowed around here. My apologies, I'll do my best to let you continue freely spreading false information.

First off, I am a public school teacher and perhaps I can shed some light here.

I agree that the parents interest or lack there can have a negative effect on their children's education. Absentee parents, single parent, working two jobs, multiple kids, family hardships, apathy and disinterest) is putting more pressure, unfairly on teachers and the school system. Society also plays a role in the child's education. No denying that.

However, let's address the money being pumped into the education system. First off, I can guarantee, none of that money is going into the pockets of teachers. I'm a public school teacher in Atlanta, and I haven't gotten a raise in 7 years, yet my work-load and stress increases every year. Administration is putting extreme pressure on the teachers to increase test scores from pre to mid to post tests, make sure kids aren't failing classes at the end of each semester, and tend to each individual needs of the kids (differentiation) eventhough I got 33 kids in each classroom. If a kids is failing, I have to stay after school for an hour/hour and a half or come early before school for tutoring. Then, I have to give each and every one of my 113 students multiple opportunities to pass by allowing them to do assignments over 3,4, 5 or however long it takes for them to master the strand. This means when I officially clock out at 4:30, I'm still working at home grading assessments, creating new activities which takes away time from my own kids. I am not saying this to complain, but its a strain and raises the stress level of many teachers, making them disgruntled, especially when most of us are living check to check. So, the billion dollars you are talking about are not going to people who are doing the grunt work.

So where does it go? I'll tell you. The money goes to these so called education innovators who either never stepped foot in a classroom or are dozens of years removed and are out of touch with the times. These innovators are paid loads of money to conduct staff developments which we teachers are forced to go to and learn about new, innovative ways to teach or to use new programs. The problem with this is, in theory some of the ideas seem good, but in reality, it doesn't work in a classroom full of 30 kids, some with extreme behavior problems, etc. The other problem with these new programs are, they seem to turn them over every 3 years or so. By the time teachers have mastered one innovation, the powers that be change it up.

Most of the money is going into testing. Here in Atlanta, we just got rid of the CRCT exam and are now giving the Milestone or GMAT. I can tell you, this has cost the state of Ga millions of dollars. To be frank, the test is sh@t. Yes, its better than the previous, but all the kids do is test, test and test some more. From Milestone, to Interims, to CoGat, Iowa exams, State Pre and Post each semester, SPG's, EOG's, these students are testing way too much. And it forcing us teachers to teach to the test because if their scores are low, we feel the wrath of administration. And all of these test cost hundreds of thousands and in the case of Milestones, millions.

The money also goes to useless technology, gadgets and literature books. I have three technology gadgets sitting in my room collecting dusts because two aren't necessary and the other look useful, but we never had a staff development on how to properly use it and integrate it into the classroom. I have 3 dozens of lit books that was purchased with billions of dollars you speak of and I've read maybe two of them. The others, I either don't have the time or by the time I pick it up and start reading, I'm handed 3 more lit books.

In the end, the money is not going to people who really need it....Most of the money is wasted and the people who know what to do with the money, don't have a say....

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

actofgod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

You're making the assumption that all that money goes toward something that furthers learning opportunities for each student. A sizable amount of that spending, however, probably goes to security apparati like metal detectors, scanners, guards, etc and patch work on dilapidated buildings that are energy inefficient and should be torn down. But thank you for caring so much about this situation to make this just your 33rd post since you joined in 2011.

*citation needed*

also, Baltimore got 1.8 BILLION dollars from the stimulus. That included 467.1 Million for education. Yea, time to stop repeating the BS that this is amount money. This is about culture.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/

I didn't know that primarily lurking wasn't allowed around here. My apologies, I'll do my best to let you continue freely spreading false information.

First off, I am a public school teacher and perhaps I can shed some light here.

I agree that the parents interest or lack there can have a negative effect on their children's education. Absentee parents, single parent, working two jobs, multiple kids, family hardships, apathy and disinterest) is putting more pressure, unfairly on teachers and the school system. Society also plays a role in the child's education. No denying that.

However, let's address the money being pumped into the education system. First off, I can guarantee, none of that money is going into the pockets of teachers. I'm a public school teacher in Atlanta, and I haven't gotten a raise in 7 years, yet my work-load and stress increases every year. Administration is putting extreme pressure on the teachers to increase test scores from pre to mid to post tests, make sure kids aren't failing classes at the end of each semester, and tend to each individual needs of the kids (differentiation) eventhough I got 33 kids in each classroom. If a kids is failing, I have to stay after school for an hour/hour and a half or come early before school for tutoring. Then, I have to give each and every one of my 113 students multiple opportunities to pass by allowing them to do assignments over 3,4, 5 or however long it takes for them to master the strand. This means when I officially clock out at 4:30, I'm still working at home grading assessments, creating new activities which takes away time from my own kids. I am not saying this to complain, but its a strain and raises the stress level of many teachers, making them disgruntled, especially when most of us are living check to check. So, the billion dollars you are talking about are not going to people who are doing the grunt work.

So where does it go? I'll tell you. The money goes to these so called education innovators who either never stepped foot in a classroom or are dozens of years removed and are out of touch with the times. These innovators are paid loads of money to conduct staff developments which we teachers are forced to go to and learn about new, innovative ways to teach or to use new programs. The problem with this is, in theory some of the ideas seem good, but in reality, it doesn't work in a classroom full of 30 kids, some with extreme behavior problems, etc. The other problem with these new programs are, they seem to turn them over every 3 years or so. By the time teachers have mastered one innovation, the powers that be change it up.

Most of the money is going into testing. Here in Atlanta, we just got rid of the CRCT exam and are now giving the Milestone or GMAT. I can tell you, this has cost the state of Ga millions of dollars. To be frank, the test is sh@t. Yes, its better than the previous, but all the kids do is test, test and test some more. From Milestone, to Interims, to CoGat, Iowa exams, State Pre and Post each semester, SPG's, EOG's, these students are testing way too much. And it forcing us teachers to teach to the test because if their scores are low, we feel the wrath of administration. And all of these test cost hundreds of thousands and in the case of Milestones, millions.

The money also goes to useless technology, gadgets and literature books. I have three technology gadgets sitting in my room collecting dusts because two aren't necessary and the other look useful, but we never had a staff development on how to properly use it and integrate it into the classroom. I have 3 dozens of lit books that was purchased with billions of dollars you speak of and I've read maybe two of them. The others, I either don't have the time or by the time I pick it up and start reading, I'm handed 3 more lit books.

In the end, the money is not going to people who really need it....Most of the money is wasted and the people who know what to do with the money, don't have a say....

God bless you!!!

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

actofgod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

actofgod wrote:Have to point it out, since there was a decent amount of discussion as to education. Baltimore spends a fortune per pupil in schools.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts

You can have the best schools, an ipad on every desk and the best teachers money can buy. It won't make a lick of a difference if the kid doesn't want to learn, his family doesn't care about his education and his local culture doesn't value education.

Start there.

You're making the assumption that all that money goes toward something that furthers learning opportunities for each student. A sizable amount of that spending, however, probably goes to security apparati like metal detectors, scanners, guards, etc and patch work on dilapidated buildings that are energy inefficient and should be torn down. But thank you for caring so much about this situation to make this just your 33rd post since you joined in 2011.

*citation needed*

also, Baltimore got 1.8 BILLION dollars from the stimulus. That included 467.1 Million for education. Yea, time to stop repeating the BS that this is amount money. This is about culture.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/baltimore-received-1-8-billion-from-obamas-stimulus-law/

I didn't know that primarily lurking wasn't allowed around here. My apologies, I'll do my best to let you continue freely spreading false information.

First off, I am a public school teacher and perhaps I can shed some light here.

I agree that the parents interest or lack there can have a negative effect on their children's education. Absentee parents, single parent, working two jobs, multiple kids, family hardships, apathy and disinterest) is putting more pressure, unfairly on teachers and the school system. Society also plays a role in the child's education. No denying that.

However, let's address the money being pumped into the education system. First off, I can guarantee, none of that money is going into the pockets of teachers. I'm a public school teacher in Atlanta, and I haven't gotten a raise in 7 years, yet my work-load and stress increases every year. Administration is putting extreme pressure on the teachers to increase test scores from pre to mid to post tests, make sure kids aren't failing classes at the end of each semester, and tend to each individual needs of the kids (differentiation) eventhough I got 33 kids in each classroom. If a kids is failing, I have to stay after school for an hour/hour and a half or come early before school for tutoring. Then, I have to give each and every one of my 113 students multiple opportunities to pass by allowing them to do assignments over 3,4, 5 or however long it takes for them to master the strand. This means when I officially clock out at 4:30, I'm still working at home grading assessments, creating new activities which takes away time from my own kids. I am not saying this to complain, but its a strain and raises the stress level of many teachers, making them disgruntled, especially when most of us are living check to check. So, the billion dollars you are talking about are not going to people who are doing the grunt work.

So where does it go? I'll tell you. The money goes to these so called education innovators who either never stepped foot in a classroom or are dozens of years removed and are out of touch with the times. These innovators are paid loads of money to conduct staff developments which we teachers are forced to go to and learn about new, innovative ways to teach or to use new programs. The problem with this is, in theory some of the ideas seem good, but in reality, it doesn't work in a classroom full of 30 kids, some with extreme behavior problems, etc. The other problem with these new programs are, they seem to turn them over every 3 years or so. By the time teachers have mastered one innovation, the powers that be change it up.

Most of the money is going into testing. Here in Atlanta, we just got rid of the CRCT exam and are now giving the Milestone or GMAT. I can tell you, this has cost the state of Ga millions of dollars. To be frank, the test is sh@t. Yes, its better than the previous, but all the kids do is test, test and test some more. From Milestone, to Interims, to CoGat, Iowa exams, State Pre and Post each semester, SPG's, EOG's, these students are testing way too much. And it forcing us teachers to teach to the test because if their scores are low, we feel the wrath of administration. And all of these test cost hundreds of thousands and in the case of Milestones, millions.

The money also goes to useless technology, gadgets and literature books. I have three technology gadgets sitting in my room collecting dusts because two aren't necessary and the other look useful, but we never had a staff development on how to properly use it and integrate it into the classroom. I have 3 dozens of lit books that was purchased with billions of dollars you speak of and I've read maybe two of them. The others, I either don't have the time or by the time I pick it up and start reading, I'm handed 3 more lit books.

In the end, the money is not going to people who really need it....Most of the money is wasted and the people who know what to do with the money, don't have a say....

God bless you!!!

Thanks man...

Word, major props to you Uptown. Like Nard said, teachers get nuff respect from me too. It's easy to talk about what needs to be done, thank you for what you do for the youth!

Thanks Doc. Appreciate it.