knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are not trading any draft picks for Monroe. The downside is a lot less in this case. It's kinda like who would you prefer 5yrs of David Lee putting up 18&10 or 5yrs of Amare or Eddy curry injured in an expensive suit on the end of the bench?

I wouldnt want neither, thats the point.

Then what do you want. Putting a sustainable winner together is easier said than done

gunsnewing wrote:

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We are not trading any draft picks for Monroe. The downside is a lot less in this case. It's kinda like who would you prefer 5yrs of David Lee putting up 18&10 or 5yrs of Amare or Eddy curry injured in an expensive suit on the end of the bench?

I wouldnt want neither, thats the point.

Then what do you want. Putting a sustainable winner together is easier said than done

It about impact and wise spending, players put up numbers all the time.

gunsnewing wrote:Nix Monrke gets his points in the box because he is a big boy. Throwback PF/C. Not flashy but gets the job done. I like that he is not a guy who will demand to get the ball in the post while 4 teammates stand around. Perimeter players can't always get open by moving and cutting. Because of this Towns, Monroe & Melo will not get in each other's way inside. You can have Monroe in the middle and Towns and Melo on the outside of Monroe & Melo inside. Spacing is key. Night and day compared to Tyson, Amare & Melo. Hopefully Phil feels the same. He wants pieces that fit and aren't "Clumsy"

gunsnewing wrote:It's a much more Dynamic team than a team that plays 4 on 5 with guys like Amundson or even worse the Samuel Dalembert types. This system is based on passing the ball from all 5 positions and player movement. Now we just need the players to build a legit year in year out contender. Amundson/Smith/Lance is cute but will only get you so far

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/1/30/7913159/pistons-news-roundup-greg-monroe-defense-trade-rumors

per The Detroit News' Vincent Goodwill:

"I think Greg's actually pretty good defensively," Van Gundy said. "I've thought that all year. He's a very good low post defender, in my opinion. And he's a smart defender. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes [...] His mental approach and ability makes him a solid defender."

Although he is somewhat slow-footed, Monroe, like the Moose, is a solid and wide player, who doesn't often get beat on the low block - due mostly to his positioning. Whilst he doesn't block many shots (0.6 BPG for his career), he has quick hands and looks to strip opponents when they drive to the basket, evident in his 1.6 steals per game. Defensive basketball IQ and positioning are hard statistics to quantify, Monroe has often been relied on to guard opposing centers when Andre is unable to. The 24 year-old Georgetown product knows he lacks the athleticism to soar above the rim and swat shots, but relies on his positioning, size and his knowledge of his opponents to keep players away from their favorite scoring areas.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-all-star-team-eastern-western-conference/

Greg Monroe — Detroit Pistons

Monroe is playing the best all-around ball of his career and deserves stronger All-Star consideration than he appears to have received. He has outplayed Drummond for the balance of the season, and he’s working harder than ever on defense — at both big-man positions. When Detroit took off without Josh Smith, we all (justifiably) focused on the power of positioning three shooters around a pick-and-roll — something Stan Van Gundy can do only when he sits one of the Drummond-Monroe combination.

Detroit A.S. (After Smoove) has actually been at its best with both Drummond and Monroe on the floor, per NBA.com. Monroe is beasting in the post, dishing snappy interior passes, and making smart reads on defense. He’ll never be a rim protector, but opposing ball handlers are shooting just 38.5 percent on pick-and-rolls in which Monroe’s man is the screener — a strong number, per Synergy.

The roster weirdness that undid the Smith-era Pistons hurts Monroe’s All-Star case just enough to open up a spot for someone else.

BRIGGS wrote:If this is true wed get a good young post player--that as much as we can ask for. Ive thought this was the case since that Town Hall meeting Monroe and Stein.

I would be hardpressed to pass on Towns, but if the consolation prize will be for Russell and Stein, I would say move that pick in a hurry. A lineup of Galloway, Russell or Russell, Shved, Carmelo, Monroe and Stein could prove to be formidable for years to come.

gunsnewing wrote:It's a much more Dynamic team than a team that plays 4 on 5 with guys like Amundson or even worse the Samuel Dalembert types. This system is based on passing the ball from all 5 positions and player movement. Now we just need the players to build a legit year in year out contender. Amundson/Smith/Lance is cute but will only get you so far

Yeah and once you start adding perhaps a SG like Danny Green or W. Matthews it starts to form a really potent core. We have to be realistic. We can't just act like this is a fantasy team. There are only a certain group of players we can actually get. Who are we supposed to be passing up on Monroe to get? This is why I keep posting lists of actual free agents and their stats. To be able to put things in perspective and also to get away from the imaginary better player. Once you get past the M. Gasol's and L. Aldridge level payers then you get Monroe.

The reason for the list I post is to look at all of the options worth going after from an impact stand point. It's up to Phil to make the right choices, but he has some good options. Some are not realistic because of their cost and the fact that they can make more money and win staying with their current team.

Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109

http://bballbreakdown.com/2015/03/31/is-greg-monroe-a-good-long-term-fit-with-the-detroit-pistons/

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Holfresh we can always bring JR Smith and his inconsistencies back as the token 2nd scorer.

Give me Monroe and give me Butler or Lance Stephenson at the 2 or someone similar.

You need a balance of scoring and defense. Rim protection, perimeter defense, rebounding, scoring & ball and player movement...

Towns
Monroe
Melo
Butler of Stephenson
Svhed
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Galloway

Then you fill out the roster with role players. Maybe a young shot blocking project. Maybe keep Cole, Smith, Lance or Amundson etc. You need pros at the end of the bench. Guys who rarely play but when called upon know the system and are capable of having big games. Guys who push their teammates and make practice competitive. Leadership.

Monroe is not nearly as bad defensively as you guys are making him out to be. He is not Kanter bad.

Basketball is a team game. It requires synergy not allstars at every position. Every player picks up he slack and do whatever it takes to win. Put those pieces in place and Fisher will look a lot smarter.

Knicks being interested in Monroe is a lot more exciting than starting Lou Amundson at PF neXt year. That's something Layden would do.

That's the entire problem..Everyone wants JR to be the 2nd option when he isn't a second option..You are blaming him for not stepping into the role and replacing Amare...He is a 4th option, gets paid like a 4th option and is happily playing that role in Cleveland...It's ok for a 4th option to be inconsistent..

I only brought up JR to give an example that the notion that adding cheap players is what we need. JR was designed because " he was going to take the pressure off of Melo to carry the scoring load"

We need legitimate 2nd, 3rd & 4th options to compete with the best