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smackeddog
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3/26/2015  5:16 PM
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
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FistOfOakley wrote:well having tyson could've meant 18-54 or better/worse... in any case... we're in exactly the position that we need to be in right now...

this is like the guy who gets into a car accident for driving drunk and while getting an MRI they discover early stage of a brain tumor.

Lucky guy? He sure was.

And then instead of looking on the positive, that they caught it, instead he complains that his car is ruined

I love that we sucked and we may keep our top 4 pick.

It does not take away from the fact that we have a horrible looking coach and a president that is doing a questionable job at best.

I'm keeping the faith, because his big test for me was always this offseason- if he pulls a series of stinkers then I'll despair.
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3/26/2015  5:18 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:well having tyson could've meant 18-54 or better/worse... in any case... we're in exactly the position that we need to be in right now...

this is like the guy who gets into a car accident for driving drunk and while getting an MRI they discover early stage of a brain tumor.

Lucky guy? He sure was.

And then instead of looking on the positive, that they caught it, instead he complains that his car is ruined

I love that we sucked and we may keep our top 4 pick.

It does not take away from the fact that we have a horrible looking coach and a president that is doing a questionable job at best.


Exactly. The pick is nice but the rest of Phil's decisions are going to have to be a million times better than his decisions last off-season.

Well, I guess the hope would be that Phil decisions were hampered by lack of cap space and bad contracts. Since those are gone now for the most part there should be no excuses made. get the job done.

This is exactly how we should look at it. There's no longer any mitigating factors. The roster can be revamped with the right players. It's all about putting together a top 6-7 rotation that can get it done.
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3/26/2015  5:18 PM
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:well having tyson could've meant 18-54 or better/worse... in any case... we're in exactly the position that we need to be in right now...

this is like the guy who gets into a car accident for driving drunk and while getting an MRI they discover early stage of a brain tumor.

Lucky guy? He sure was.

And then instead of looking on the positive, that they caught it, instead he complains that his car is ruined

I love that we sucked and we may keep our top 4 pick.

It does not take away from the fact that we have a horrible looking coach and a president that is doing a questionable job at best.

I'm keeping the faith, because his big test for me was always this offseason- if he pulls a series of stinkers then I'll despair.

me too. I always keep the faith.

look ... we are all still here after one of the worse 15 year runs in NBA history ... we are die hards and we are not going anywhere.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/26/2015  8:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:well having tyson could've meant 18-54 or better/worse... in any case... we're in exactly the position that we need to be in right now...

this is like the guy who gets into a car accident for driving drunk and while getting an MRI they discover early stage of a brain tumor.

Lucky guy? He sure was.

And then instead of looking on the positive, that they caught it, instead he complains that his car is ruined

I love that we sucked and we may keep our top 4 pick.

It does not take away from the fact that we have a horrible looking coach and a president that is doing a questionable job at best.

I'm keeping the faith, because his big test for me was always this offseason- if he pulls a series of stinkers then I'll despair.

me too. I always keep the faith.

look ... we are all still here after one of the worse 15 year runs in NBA history ... we are die hards and we are not going anywhere.


ESPN also says we have the best NBA front office in NY state. How's that for staying positive?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12555148/2015-front-office-rankings-top-executives
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3/26/2015  8:46 PM
All of these so called ratings could look a whole like different next season. Phil has a few aces in his hand to play this summer. Just looking at some of the options in Free Agency is exciting.

Makes me wonder tho just what would it take contractually for the Bucks to say no to matching a contract on Khris Middelton? Is it even possible for the Knicks to fashion a contract that they wouldn't want to touch?
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3/30/2015  6:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2015  7:03 PM
I reordered the list of Free Agents by position just to make it a bit easier for us to go down the list and make different lineup selections for possible Knick signings. I think some of the players are listed in the wrong position but this is how Basketball Reference had them listed for where they play on their current teams.


Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117

It's clear that Phil will have a pretty good group of possible FA's to consider.
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3/30/2015  6:57 PM
Did you put every free agent starting NBA C except Tyson? LOL
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3/30/2015  6:59 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Did you put every free agent starting NBA C except Tyson? LOL

asked and answered

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/30/2015  7:00 PM
Well i'm pretty sure Tyson won't be getting a call.
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3/30/2015  7:01 PM
I think Brandan Wright won't cost much and would be a nice bench player
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3/30/2015  7:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2015  7:03 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I think Brandan Wright won't cost much and would be a nice bench player

agreed but we already have 9 bench players

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/30/2015  7:08 PM
I wonder what it would take to snatch Khris Middleton from the Bucks?
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3/30/2015  7:26 PM
Ayo Nix, great post, an chance you can put the RFA's as well?
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3/30/2015  7:28 PM
Someone should also tell Phill not to go for Morrow, one of the worst defenders in the NBA, he is worse than Timmy.
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3/30/2015  7:44 PM
TPercy wrote:Ayo Nix, great post, an chance you can put the RFA's as well?


Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117

I've highlighted the ones I know can be RFA next season.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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3/30/2015  7:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2015  10:03 PM
TPercy wrote:Ayo Nix, great post, an chance you can put the RFA's as well?

The RFA's are on there but remember this list is just the top WS/48 guys. Players who are above the league avg. WS/48 which is .100. Some of these guys don't really have enough minutes played to take seriously but still this is how the list worked out. I don't think I forgot anyone but it's possible. I've bolded the RFA's.


Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117
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nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:Ayo Nix, great post, an chance you can put the RFA's as well?

The RFA's are on there but remember this list is just the top WS/48 guys. Players who are above the league avg. WS/48 which is .100. Some of these guys don't really have enough minutes played to take seriously but still this is how the list worked out. I don't think I forgot anyone but it's possible. I've bolded the RFA's.


Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117

Your list isn't right. Jerome Jordan, Koufos, and Wright definitely aren't RFA. Cory Joseph and Brandon Knight will be RFA (assuming their teams extend a QO to them).

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3/30/2015  7:52 PM
Ha! I didn't know you were going to edit the list. Well between the both of us maybe we got all the RFA's.
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nixluva wrote:I wonder what it would take to snatch Khris Middleton from the Bucks?

I'd imagine the Bucks know what they have (player poised to take a potential Harden-like leap--and no I don't mean to say he's as good as Harden I just mean he's a bench player who can put up starting caliber numbers of given the minutes).

He's a terror on D as well. Very long limbed and tall SG who can defend both wing positions. With the cap exploding the year after next you'd think the Bucks are gonna match any offer. Would they balk at a poison pill max offer if a team takes the gamble on Middletons numbers extrapolating out of given starting minutes and the green light? I think if I were a GM I would take the gamble. I like the kid a lot and think he's a potential top 10 SG.
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H1AND1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:I wonder what it would take to snatch Khris Middleton from the Bucks?

I'd imagine the Bucks know what they have (player poised to take a potential Harden-like leap--and no I don't mean to say he's as good as Harden I just mean he's a bench player who can put up starting caliber numbers of given the minutes).

He's a terror on D as well. Very long limbed and tall SG who can defend both wing positions. With the cap exploding the year after next you'd think the Bucks are gonna match any offer. Would they balk at a poison pill max offer if a team takes the gamble on Middletons numbers extrapolating out of given starting minutes and the green light? I think if I were a GM I would take the gamble. I like the kid a lot and think he's a potential top 10 SG.

I would imagine we would have to start at $10M/year for Milwaukee to consider not matching.

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