Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:The only thing that really matters is how Phil manages to put a team together with the assets he does have. Sure he made some questionable moves, but if you review any GM you will find the same thing. He still has added picks and young prospects in addition to keeping enough cap space to be a major buyer this summer. This should be enough to revamp this rosters top 6 rotation players, which is the most important work he will have to do this summer. That's where teams win in this league. The Hawks managed to bring in 4 of their top 6 rotation players inside of 2 years.

On July 16, 2012, Korver was traded to the Atlanta Hawks for Kirk Hinrich and cash considerations.
On July 10, 2013, Paul Millsap signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks.
On August 3, 2013, Carroll signed with the Atlanta Hawks.
On June 27, 2013, Schröder was selected with the 17th overall pick in the 2013 NBA draft by the Atlanta Hawks.

It is therefore not a very difficult leap to think that Phil can bring in talent thru the draft and in free agency this summer to revamp this teams top 6 players. IMO we already have Melo, Shved and Galloway as possible rotation players. If you add our draft pick and 2-3 quality Free Agents, this team could have a very competitive top 6-7 man rotation next year. Nothing he's done prevents Phil from getting that done this summer.

And if he fails to put together a decent team, you'll do the same song and dance saying you can't judge Phil yet a year from now. You'll do that until he leaves "due to health considerations" or he has a parting of the ways with his master Dolan.

Everything is in the future. The past is meaningless. So Zen.

ISN'T THERE A "I HATE" / "I LOVE" PHIL THREAD SOMEWHERE? IF NOT, THERE SHOULD BE.

There's no need to infect every thread with the same information. Yawn!

blkexec wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:The only thing that really matters is how Phil manages to put a team together with the assets he does have. Sure he made some questionable moves, but if you review any GM you will find the same thing. He still has added picks and young prospects in addition to keeping enough cap space to be a major buyer this summer. This should be enough to revamp this rosters top 6 rotation players, which is the most important work he will have to do this summer. That's where teams win in this league. The Hawks managed to bring in 4 of their top 6 rotation players inside of 2 years.

On July 16, 2012, Korver was traded to the Atlanta Hawks for Kirk Hinrich and cash considerations.
On July 10, 2013, Paul Millsap signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks.
On August 3, 2013, Carroll signed with the Atlanta Hawks.
On June 27, 2013, Schröder was selected with the 17th overall pick in the 2013 NBA draft by the Atlanta Hawks.

It is therefore not a very difficult leap to think that Phil can bring in talent thru the draft and in free agency this summer to revamp this teams top 6 players. IMO we already have Melo, Shved and Galloway as possible rotation players. If you add our draft pick and 2-3 quality Free Agents, this team could have a very competitive top 6-7 man rotation next year. Nothing he's done prevents Phil from getting that done this summer.

And if he fails to put together a decent team, you'll do the same song and dance saying you can't judge Phil yet a year from now. You'll do that until he leaves "due to health considerations" or he has a parting of the ways with his master Dolan.

Everything is in the future. The past is meaningless. So Zen.

ISN'T THERE A I HATE PHIL THREAD SOMEWHERE? IF NOT, THERE SHOULD BE.

There's no need to infect every thread with the same information. Yawn!

You could say the same about injecting irrational optimism into every thread. That makes me yawn. Perhaps you can make the distinction that I'm attacking Phil, not other people on the board with that degree of ferocity. If I think Phil is a hustler and a sell-out and that makes me singularly pessimistic and caustic as a result, then that's my sword and it cuts and people don't like it because it is harsh.

Guess what the reaction was when I said signing Melo was a travesty, particularly because he would be a gimp early in his contract. I said it was Amare II. I got flamed for that. I was right. My opinions being unpopular are fine with me. I see an unending stream of BS oozing out of MSG and Phil is the front man for an organization that is more incompetent and disingenuous than ever.

You've been swindled. I call it as I see it.

blkexec wrote:

Splat wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:The only thing that really matters is how Phil manages to put a team together with the assets he does have. Sure he made some questionable moves, but if you review any GM you will find the same thing. He still has added picks and young prospects in addition to keeping enough cap space to be a major buyer this summer. This should be enough to revamp this rosters top 6 rotation players, which is the most important work he will have to do this summer. That's where teams win in this league. The Hawks managed to bring in 4 of their top 6 rotation players inside of 2 years.

On July 16, 2012, Korver was traded to the Atlanta Hawks for Kirk Hinrich and cash considerations.
On July 10, 2013, Paul Millsap signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks.
On August 3, 2013, Carroll signed with the Atlanta Hawks.
On June 27, 2013, Schröder was selected with the 17th overall pick in the 2013 NBA draft by the Atlanta Hawks.

It is therefore not a very difficult leap to think that Phil can bring in talent thru the draft and in free agency this summer to revamp this teams top 6 players. IMO we already have Melo, Shved and Galloway as possible rotation players. If you add our draft pick and 2-3 quality Free Agents, this team could have a very competitive top 6-7 man rotation next year. Nothing he's done prevents Phil from getting that done this summer.

And if he fails to put together a decent team, you'll do the same song and dance saying you can't judge Phil yet a year from now. You'll do that until he leaves "due to health considerations" or he has a parting of the ways with his master Dolan.

Everything is in the future. The past is meaningless. So Zen.

ISN'T THERE A I HATE PHIL THREAD SOMEWHERE? IF NOT, THERE SHOULD BE.

There's no need to infect every thread with the same information. Yawn!

You could say the same about injecting irrational optimism into every thread. That makes me yawn. Perhaps you can make the distinction that I'm attacking Phil, not other people on the board with that degree of ferocity. If I think Phil is a hustler and a sell-out and that makes me singularly pessimistic and caustic as a result, then that's my sword and it cuts and people don't like it because it is harsh.

Guess what the reaction was when I said signing Melo was a travesty, particularly because he would be a gimp early in his contract. I said it was Amare II. I got flamed for that. I was right. My opinions being unpopular are fine with me. I see an unending stream of BS oozing out of MSG and Phil is the front man for an organization that is more incompetent and disingenuous than ever.

You've been swindled. I call it as I see it.

Before I read your response....please respond to the updated post.

ISN'T THERE A "I HATE" / "I LOVE" PHIL THREAD SOMEWHERE? IF NOT, THERE SHOULD BE

Theres always two sides to everything! I say you guys handle it like West Side Story! Any response to that, and you are really telling your age!

You've repeatedly gone buck wild while saying you don't read posts and when you do you make it like you're bestowing a favor.

You've got some major issues with confrontation.

Don't confront me and tell me you won't read my posts and then issue conditions.

Look into it please and spare me whatever neurosis this indicates.

blkexec wrote:

Splat wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Splat wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:The only thing that really matters is how Phil manages to put a team together with the assets he does have. Sure he made some questionable moves, but if you review any GM you will find the same thing. He still has added picks and young prospects in addition to keeping enough cap space to be a major buyer this summer. This should be enough to revamp this rosters top 6 rotation players, which is the most important work he will have to do this summer. That's where teams win in this league. The Hawks managed to bring in 4 of their top 6 rotation players inside of 2 years.

On July 16, 2012, Korver was traded to the Atlanta Hawks for Kirk Hinrich and cash considerations.
On July 10, 2013, Paul Millsap signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks.
On August 3, 2013, Carroll signed with the Atlanta Hawks.
On June 27, 2013, Schröder was selected with the 17th overall pick in the 2013 NBA draft by the Atlanta Hawks.

It is therefore not a very difficult leap to think that Phil can bring in talent thru the draft and in free agency this summer to revamp this teams top 6 players. IMO we already have Melo, Shved and Galloway as possible rotation players. If you add our draft pick and 2-3 quality Free Agents, this team could have a very competitive top 6-7 man rotation next year. Nothing he's done prevents Phil from getting that done this summer.

And if he fails to put together a decent team, you'll do the same song and dance saying you can't judge Phil yet a year from now. You'll do that until he leaves "due to health considerations" or he has a parting of the ways with his master Dolan.

Everything is in the future. The past is meaningless. So Zen.

ISN'T THERE A I HATE PHIL THREAD SOMEWHERE? IF NOT, THERE SHOULD BE.

There's no need to infect every thread with the same information. Yawn!

You could say the same about injecting irrational optimism into every thread. That makes me yawn. Perhaps you can make the distinction that I'm attacking Phil, not other people on the board with that degree of ferocity. If I think Phil is a hustler and a sell-out and that makes me singularly pessimistic and caustic as a result, then that's my sword and it cuts and people don't like it because it is harsh.

Guess what the reaction was when I said signing Melo was a travesty, particularly because he would be a gimp early in his contract. I said it was Amare II. I got flamed for that. I was right. My opinions being unpopular are fine with me. I see an unending stream of BS oozing out of MSG and Phil is the front man for an organization that is more incompetent and disingenuous than ever.

You've been swindled. I call it as I see it.

Before I read your response....please respond to the updated post.

ISN'T THERE A "I HATE" / "I LOVE" PHIL THREAD SOMEWHERE? IF NOT, THERE SHOULD BE

Theres always two sides to everything! I say you guys handle it like West Side Story! Any response to that, and you are really telling your age!

You've repeatedly gone buck wild while saying you don't read posts and when you do you make it like you're bestowing a favor.

You've got some major issues with confrontation.

Don't confront me and tell me you won't read my posts and then issue conditions.

Look into it please and spare me whatever neurosis this indicates.

I can't see you getting flamed for any negative comments on Melo. It's the personal attacks to other people’s comments that cross the line. It's not the basketball related views! It's the same issues you have with Nix.....It's almost like you and Nix are the same person, trying to pretend like its two people. Both have strong views on opposite ends of the table. Me run from confrontation? You don't mean that. It's ok to go back and delete. I wish I ran from confrontation. It would save me much valuable time, and add years to my life.

Sorry, didn't read it.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The only thing that really matters is how Phil manages to put a team together with the assets he does have. Sure he made some questionable moves, but if you review any GM you will find the same thing. He still has added picks and young prospects in addition to keeping enough cap space to be a major buyer this summer. This should be enough to revamp this rosters top 6 rotation players, which is the most important work he will have to do this summer. That's where teams win in this league. The Hawks managed to bring in 4 of their top 6 rotation players inside of 2 years.

On July 16, 2012, Korver was traded to the Atlanta Hawks for Kirk Hinrich and cash considerations.
On July 10, 2013, Paul Millsap signed a two-year deal with the Atlanta Hawks.
On August 3, 2013, Carroll signed with the Atlanta Hawks.
On June 27, 2013, Schröder was selected with the 17th overall pick in the 2013 NBA draft by the Atlanta Hawks.

It is therefore not a very difficult leap to think that Phil can bring in talent thru the draft and in free agency this summer to revamp this teams top 6 players. IMO we already have Melo, Shved and Galloway as possible rotation players. If you add our draft pick and 2-3 quality Free Agents, this team could have a very competitive top 6-7 man rotation next year. Nothing he's done prevents Phil from getting that done this summer.

But his body of work screams clueless.

You know what phil is real good at, getting guys with BIG EGOS to learn how to play a little unselfish and to come together as a team, outside of that, he's clueless and he knows it. He's not this great basketball mind that some portray him to be. We wanted layden gone the minute he brought of Eisley, and shannnon and all these soft ass high character players. we still manage to be some what competitive.

When you put a team together, and a coaching staff that could only win 5 of their first 40 games, that primarily had the same roster that won 54 games...then hire a head coach who never even thought about coaching in his life until he picked up the paper one morning to read he is a candidate for the knicks head coaching job, you gotta know something is terribly wrong. Your asking a guy who hasn't even coach 10 yr olds at the boys club, to teach a difficult team ball system to a bunch of iso players..holy shhh, smh

None of that means that Phil will fail to use his assets this summer to build a competitive team. It's really going to come down to some pretty clear decisions in the Draft and in Free Agency. It's really simple. Draft a stud between pick 1-4. Sign the best 2-3 Free Agents you can that will have the greatest positive impact on the roster. Most of us can pretty much figure out some decent rosters and we're not long time NBA professionals. Phil isn't doing this buy himself. He's got a group of long time and capable basketball men working for him on this as well.

It's mistake to assume that Phil and his stage won't make sound basketball decisions this summer. From his statements it's crystal clear that he knows what it takes to win and what kind of players this team needs.

Phil Jackson: "The way the Spurs played in the Finals was a beautiful demonstration of team basketball. That's how the game should be played."

"Establishing how you want to play basketball is important," Jackson said last week. "There are only a few teams that you can see in this league that say, 'OK, this is our definitive way we play.' We want to be one of those teams."

“You do need great players to win the championship, but having to always chase the best talent in free agency eventually becomes a mind-set of, well, the best talent wins as opposed to who plays the best team basketball — which is what San Antonio showed last season,” Jackson said. “Their play was special, a team that really values passing, a system where they’re not just standing around, spacing out shooters. That’s also what Atlanta and a couple of other teams are showing this year.’’

“We’re not going to punch all the right buttons in the process of doing this,’’ Jackson said. “But we’re looking for multiple talents, drive, intelligence, guys that will play defense. We hope to develop a team, and there are a lot of agents out there looking to find a good spot for their players.”

We have a system in place which makes roles clear and we have options to bring in the needed talent.

knickscity wrote:I honestly dont see how anyone can truly trust Phil when he has clearly proven not only does he not know talent he also dont know how to evaluate coaching, and that's pretty sad because he was one.

The mere fact this season was NOT by design leaves a black mark on Phil. God forbid if this season repeats itself without a draft pick.

Phil organized the staff based on his personal comfort level with them as people, not based on their credentials. Secondarily, he hired the coaching staff on the premise of instituting the triangle and for that he decided he had to have someone who had played under him. That was his dumbazz criteria for choosing Fish. Says loads about Phil's lack of insight and his insularity. He built a cocoon for himself where the real world doesn't intrude on his philosophical musings.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:I honestly dont see how anyone can truly trust Phil when he has clearly proven not only does he not know talent he also dont know how to evaluate coaching, and that's pretty sad because he was one.

The mere fact this season was NOT by design leaves a black mark on Phil. God forbid if this season repeats itself without a draft pick.

Phil organized the staff based on his personal comfort level with them as people, not based on their credentials. Secondarily, he hired the coaching staff on the premise of instituting the triangle and for that he decided he had to have someone who had played under him. That was his dumbazz criteria for choosing Fish. Says loads about Phil's lack of insight and his insularity. He built a cocoon for himself where the real world doesn't intrude on his philosophical musings.

knickscity wrote:

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:I honestly dont see how anyone can truly trust Phil when he has clearly proven not only does he not know talent he also dont know how to evaluate coaching, and that's pretty sad because he was one.

The mere fact this season was NOT by design leaves a black mark on Phil. God forbid if this season repeats itself without a draft pick.

Phil organized the staff based on his personal comfort level with them as people, not based on their credentials. Secondarily, he hired the coaching staff on the premise of instituting the triangle and for that he decided he had to have someone who had played under him. That was his dumbazz criteria for choosing Fish. Says loads about Phil's lack of insight and his insularity. He built a cocoon for himself where the real world doesn't intrude on his philosophical musings.

This is where I'm going with it as far as the DRAFT goes...Phil has made it clear how he views the kids coming into the league. i think he'll draft a ready to go player, and I think fans will be disappointed because it wont be Okafor. but that might be a mistake.

If Phil has a chance to take Okafor from whatever position whether 1 -2-3 and misses or whatever the reason--it will get uglier than what Isiah Thomas had.

blkexec wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What the hell is this crap. This was a good draft thread

It's been hijacked by the same bandits. They are currently on the loose, since Phil was hired. They are known for terrorizing innocent Knick fans….while spreading evil judgmental slurs and slander.

i was about to post the same thing, but saw you posted this before i did. it's no surprise. every thread that these guys are involved in gets jacked the same way. it's annoying to have to sift between all the garbage.