holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:MVP candidate Harden is trailing but tonight:

44 points on only 21 SHOTS!!!

4 rebounds

7 assists

It's not 21 shots..Its really 32 shots attempts..They didn't count 11 of them because of fouls..

Are you sure none were 3 point plays or technical fouls?
Regardless, your point is well-taken but Harden still comes out at about 1.4 points per possession using your #s (44 and 32), which is outstanding. No team in the league averages even 1.1 points per possession.

Well using my methodology which is much more informative in my humble opinion...He is taking 23 shots to score 27 points per games..shooting 44% from two point land and 37% from three..Also, shooting a fantastic 87% from the free throw line...I'm gathering we are making a prolific free throw artist into an all world player...

Yeah, the 1.4 points per possession was from yesterday's game. Your calculation for the season puts him at close to 1.2, which is still outstanding. It's probably better than any team's scoring in the league's history (and better than Melo has ever had in a season).
You're also almost admitting that traditional box scores stats like points and FGA are not sufficient and more sophisticated (dare I say more advanced?) metrics are needed. All you need to do now is look at the #s on basketball reference - they're doing the work you're trying to do when you combine FTAs and FGAs but they're incorporating other elements of the game too like assists and turnovers.

On the contrary..I know exactly how he gets his points while you don't...Melo had shot 45% from the two and 40% from the three over 77 games which Harden has never done...U see, a few head jerks in the lane and a couple of flops can go a long way into skewing your stats...

the difference between harden and melo is wide in terms of drawing fouls. harden can draw fouls at will, and in the playoffs drawing fouls is the mark of a savvy player who likely spells the difference in playoff games decided by 5 or fewer points. besides, they have tightened up the head-jerk flopping rule, haven't they? perhaps they should call fouls on players who bellow like wounded cows. the list is pretty long.

you may not like that the refs call fouls in harden's favor but the fact of the matter is that harden draws fouls the right way while melo does not.

all that said, the only player that can stop harden is... harden.

Well Harden flops and Melo doesn't...He jerks his head in the lane if there is a sense of contact every time...Enough to get you to the line 2 or 3 more times.If it works hey..But your theory that it works in the playoffs hasn't bore true for Harden, has it??

Melo is the only NBA player who doesn't flop, act, or exaggerate contact. His purity is unmatched!

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:MVP candidate Harden is trailing but tonight:

44 points on only 21 SHOTS!!!

4 rebounds

7 assists

It's not 21 shots..Its really 32 shots attempts..They didn't count 11 of them because of fouls..

Are you sure none were 3 point plays or technical fouls?
Regardless, your point is well-taken but Harden still comes out at about 1.4 points per possession using your #s (44 and 32), which is outstanding. No team in the league averages even 1.1 points per possession.

Well using my methodology which is much more informative in my humble opinion...He is taking 23 shots to score 27 points per games..shooting 44% from two point land and 37% from three..Also, shooting a fantastic 87% from the free throw line...I'm gathering we are making a prolific free throw artist into an all world player...

Yeah, the 1.4 points per possession was from yesterday's game. Your calculation for the season puts him at close to 1.2, which is still outstanding. It's probably better than any team's scoring in the league's history (and better than Melo has ever had in a season).
You're also almost admitting that traditional box scores stats like points and FGA are not sufficient and more sophisticated (dare I say more advanced?) metrics are needed. All you need to do now is look at the #s on basketball reference - they're doing the work you're trying to do when you combine FTAs and FGAs but they're incorporating other elements of the game too like assists and turnovers.

On the contrary..I know exactly how he gets his points while you don't...Melo had shot 45% from the two and 40% from the three over 77 games which Harden has never done...U see, a few head jerks in the lane and a couple of flops can go a long way into skewing your stats...

the difference between harden and melo is wide in terms of drawing fouls. harden can draw fouls at will, and in the playoffs drawing fouls is the mark of a savvy player who likely spells the difference in playoff games decided by 5 or fewer points. besides, they have tightened up the head-jerk flopping rule, haven't they? perhaps they should call fouls on players who bellow like wounded cows. the list is pretty long.

you may not like that the refs call fouls in harden's favor but the fact of the matter is that harden draws fouls the right way while melo does not.

all that said, the only player that can stop harden is... harden.

Well Harden flops and Melo doesn't...He jerks his head in the lane if there is a sense of contact every time...Enough to get you to the line 2 or 3 more times.If it works hey..But your theory that it works in the playoffs hasn't bore true for Harden, has it??

Melo is the only NBA player who doesn't flop, act, or exaggerate contact. His purity is unmatched!

I agree..

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:MVP candidate Harden is trailing but tonight:

44 points on only 21 SHOTS!!!

4 rebounds

7 assists

It's not 21 shots..Its really 32 shots attempts..They didn't count 11 of them because of fouls..

Are you sure none were 3 point plays or technical fouls?
Regardless, your point is well-taken but Harden still comes out at about 1.4 points per possession using your #s (44 and 32), which is outstanding. No team in the league averages even 1.1 points per possession.

Well using my methodology which is much more informative in my humble opinion...He is taking 23 shots to score 27 points per games..shooting 44% from two point land and 37% from three..Also, shooting a fantastic 87% from the free throw line...I'm gathering we are making a prolific free throw artist into an all world player...

Yeah, the 1.4 points per possession was from yesterday's game. Your calculation for the season puts him at close to 1.2, which is still outstanding. It's probably better than any team's scoring in the league's history (and better than Melo has ever had in a season).
You're also almost admitting that traditional box scores stats like points and FGA are not sufficient and more sophisticated (dare I say more advanced?) metrics are needed. All you need to do now is look at the #s on basketball reference - they're doing the work you're trying to do when you combine FTAs and FGAs but they're incorporating other elements of the game too like assists and turnovers.

On the contrary..I know exactly how he gets his points while you don't...Melo had shot 45% from the two and 40% from the three over 77 games which Harden has never done...U see, a few head jerks in the lane and a couple of flops can go a long way into skewing your stats...

the difference between harden and melo is wide in terms of drawing fouls. harden can draw fouls at will, and in the playoffs drawing fouls is the mark of a savvy player who likely spells the difference in playoff games decided by 5 or fewer points. besides, they have tightened up the head-jerk flopping rule, haven't they? perhaps they should call fouls on players who bellow like wounded cows. the list is pretty long.

you may not like that the refs call fouls in harden's favor but the fact of the matter is that harden draws fouls the right way while melo does not.

all that said, the only player that can stop harden is... harden.

Well Harden flops and Melo doesn't...He jerks his head in the lane if there is a sense of contact every time...Enough to get you to the line 2 or 3 more times.If it works hey..But your theory that it works in the playoffs hasn't bore true for Harden, has it??

Melo is the only NBA player who doesn't flop, act, or exaggerate contact. His purity is unmatched!

I agree..

Rumor is that he's even going to return his salary for this year!

really?

source?

yellowboy90 wrote:I don't mind the calls for Harden but I do find it funny the quotes on why Harden gets calls and why Melo doesn't get as many calls. They say Harden does a good job initiating contact and that's why he gets calls. For Melo they say the reason why he doesn't get calls is because he initiate contact. I just find that funny. Melo can get his head band knocked off or his shoulder pulled(West) but no harm no foul.

Harden should get all the credit in the world though. He is just doing what the refs allow.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:MVP candidate Harden is trailing but tonight:

44 points on only 21 SHOTS!!!

4 rebounds

7 assists

It's not 21 shots..Its really 32 shots attempts..They didn't count 11 of them because of fouls..

Are you sure none were 3 point plays or technical fouls?
Regardless, your point is well-taken but Harden still comes out at about 1.4 points per possession using your #s (44 and 32), which is outstanding. No team in the league averages even 1.1 points per possession.

Well using my methodology which is much more informative in my humble opinion...He is taking 23 shots to score 27 points per games..shooting 44% from two point land and 37% from three..Also, shooting a fantastic 87% from the free throw line...I'm gathering we are making a prolific free throw artist into an all world player...

Yeah, the 1.4 points per possession was from yesterday's game. Your calculation for the season puts him at close to 1.2, which is still outstanding. It's probably better than any team's scoring in the league's history (and better than Melo has ever had in a season).
You're also almost admitting that traditional box scores stats like points and FGA are not sufficient and more sophisticated (dare I say more advanced?) metrics are needed. All you need to do now is look at the #s on basketball reference - they're doing the work you're trying to do when you combine FTAs and FGAs but they're incorporating other elements of the game too like assists and turnovers.

On the contrary..I know exactly how he gets his points while you don't...Melo had shot 45% from the two and 40% from the three over 77 games which Harden has never done...U see, a few head jerks in the lane and a couple of flops can go a long way into skewing your stats...

the difference between harden and melo is wide in terms of drawing fouls. harden can draw fouls at will, and in the playoffs drawing fouls is the mark of a savvy player who likely spells the difference in playoff games decided by 5 or fewer points. besides, they have tightened up the head-jerk flopping rule, haven't they? perhaps they should call fouls on players who bellow like wounded cows. the list is pretty long.

you may not like that the refs call fouls in harden's favor but the fact of the matter is that harden draws fouls the right way while melo does not.

all that said, the only player that can stop harden is... harden.

Well Harden flops and Melo doesn't...He jerks his head in the lane if there is a sense of contact every time...Enough to get you to the line 2 or 3 more times.If it works hey..But your theory that it works in the playoffs hasn't bore true for Harden, has it??

Melo is the only NBA player who doesn't flop, act, or exaggerate contact. His purity is unmatched!

I agree..

Rumor is that he's even going to return his salary for this year!

Whether or not he does has no bearing on my bank account or my cable bill..

Of course not. Neither does anything else we've been discussing

yellowboy90 wrote:I don't mind the calls for Harden but I do find it funny the quotes on why Harden gets calls and why Melo doesn't get as many calls. They say Harden does a good job initiating contact and that's why he gets calls. For Melo they say the reason why he doesn't get calls is because he initiate contact. I just find that funny. Melo can get his head band knocked off or his shoulder pulled(West) but no harm no foul.

Harden should get all the credit in the world though. He is just doing what the refs allow.

melo plays bully ball so he is not going to get every call because his form of initiating contact is almost always a 50-50 call which results in a lot of whining about his never getting the superstar calls, especially in the playoffs.

meanwhile harden does not play bully ball, so the contact he draws is a result of players knocking into him because they are trying to recover after getting juked, usually with the good old hack across both arms.

and of course the fact the these pro players never seem to remember that harden is a leftie.

mreinman wrote:Melo also rarely head fakes since its just not cool. If he did, he would get fouled more and be less predictable.

sure he would.

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mreinman wrote:Melo also rarely head fakes since its just not cool. If he did, he would get fouled more and be less predictable.

cause it's not cool? come on man

This coming from a poster who also implied I was stupid in a thread tonight.