mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:But he is 24/25. He can't continue to fine tune his game?

He can get better or get worse. How about we assume that this is who he is (for now)?

Again, why would he get worse ? What makes a 24 year old get worse ? Do you assume an injury or lack of focus? These comment make little sense. He is more likely to get better than worse, so not sure why you bring that up like there's equal chance of both happening.

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:
There are a small group of guys that are on my list which has been stated over and over again on this forum. It all depends on which guy we draft. As long as you realize that we need to improve the talent on this roster with some legit starting caliber players. I only suggest players that will have a positive impact on the team. There's no question that Monroe would be an improvement over what we have and there are only a few bigs that we have a chance to get who are better and they'd be more expensive. There's that saying "Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good". We need so much talent that you can't turn your nose up to every player who isn't perfect. It still comes back to the draft and who we can get and that will dictate who we should go after in Free Agency.

You don't give someone who "isn't perfect" a max or near max deal just because you need talent. that is an express lane to the tenth seed.

That's actually what Dumars in Detroit has done for YEARS and it has killed them. He gave insane contracts to players like Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villenueva and it made them just good enough to not get top 5 picks and just bad enough to not make the playoffs.

That's a no man's land.

Greg Monroe is not a playoffs caliber big man unless he is your fifth best starter. Tell me which West playoffs team he'd start on. There isn't one.

His max is not the same as Gasol's max. You're talking about a 24 yr old big who is still improving at his max which is $16.5 Mil. I think perhaps you're including him in a group of players that is unfair to his actual talent. He'd be one piece of the puzzle and you still have your draft pick and another possible Free Agent starter to add to the mix. I"m not saying that we're definitely getting Monroe, since as I said who we draft will play the biggest part in the targets in Free Agency. I'm saying that he's not a bad investment as some are trying to make him out to be.

mreinman wrote:I have stated often both who I like and don't want.

Who don't you want? You don't state anybody you don't like, therefore whoever we get is just pretty perfect, no?

No one can ever accuse me of not taking a stand, tho this seems to be something that crops up with certain posters. I've made entire threads stating who my targets would be. It's really a moving target since we don't know who we're drafting and that could change the circumstances.

You exaggerate the value of every player you decide to pump. Sorry, but you're always saying every player you get behind has tons of upside when the truth that is rarely borne out. Making statements about five year vets significantly improving their game AFTER they land a fat contract is just wishful thinking. Overpaying a guy like this can also be the opposite and once they are paid they could either not improve or be complacent and regress. As Rein says, take them for what they are now without projecting them to be something they are not yet. Talking about upside when giving out near max contracts is just nuts.

Once again. We're talking about a 24 yr old. You do realize that it's very rare to be able to get a kid like this as an Unrestricted Free Agent? Perhaps you guys just don't realize that it's possible for a 24 year old to get better and be coached up to fully maximize his potential. Like it or not Monroe will rightfully be one of the players worth targeting this summer. I'm not saying that we should move heaven and earth to get him no matter who we draft. It will very much matter who we draft.

Yeah I just don't get it. Guys like this aren't available often. He would be a steal.

honestly, were you pro the amare signing? how about the bargs trade?

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:But he is 24/25. He can't continue to fine tune his game?

He can get better or get worse. How about we assume that this is who he is (for now)?

Again, why would he get worse ? What makes a 24 year old get worse ? Do you assume an injury or lack of focus? These comment make little sense. He is more likely to get better than worse, so not sure why you bring that up like there's equal chance of both happening.

you do know that his first 2 years where much better than year 3 and 4 right?

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:But he is 24/25. He can't continue to fine tune his game?

He can get better or get worse. How about we assume that this is who he is (for now)?

Again, why would he get worse ? What makes a 24 year old get worse ? Do you assume an injury or lack of focus? These comment make little sense. He is more likely to get better than worse, so not sure why you bring that up like there's equal chance of both happening.

you do know that his first 2 years where much better than year 3 and 4 right?

He has been very consistent throughout his entire career. While he hasn't improved in Detroit he hasnt regressed either. Not sure how you can conclusively say that.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:But he is 24/25. He can't continue to fine tune his game?

He can get better or get worse. How about we assume that this is who he is (for now)?

Again, why would he get worse ? What makes a 24 year old get worse ? Do you assume an injury or lack of focus? These comment make little sense. He is more likely to get better than worse, so not sure why you bring that up like there's equal chance of both happening.

you do know that his first 2 years where much better than year 3 and 4 right?

He has been very consistent throughout his entire career. While he hasn't improved in Detroit he hasnt regressed either. Not sure how you can conclusively say that.

No ... his first 2 years were good.

His second 2 years were not good.

this year he has been good.

that is not that consistent.

I only care about what he has done this year for the most part. Not what he did as a 19-20yr old although I like him back then as a project big. He is 24 and about to entire his prime years now. Hence why he is putting up 16 & 10. He will put up 20 & 10 as a Knick if Melo is not such a douche

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:But he is 24/25. He can't continue to fine tune his game?

He can get better or get worse. How about we assume that this is who he is (for now)?

Again, why would he get worse ? What makes a 24 year old get worse ? Do you assume an injury or lack of focus? These comment make little sense. He is more likely to get better than worse, so not sure why you bring that up like there's equal chance of both happening.

you do know that his first 2 years where much better than year 3 and 4 right?

He has been very consistent throughout his entire career. While he hasn't improved in Detroit he hasnt regressed either. Not sure how you can conclusively say that.

No ... his first 2 years were good.

His second 2 years were not good.

this year he has been good.

that is not that consistent.

He was a 15/10 50% shooter give or take in each of those seasons. If you are digging so deep that you need to pull some advanced stats to show the difference, then there isn't a huge difference. His TS% dipped but his assist numbers went up. You are really reaching here.

gunsnewing wrote:I don't want all my bigs standing On the perimeter and shooting from 18ft away. One stays inside, one goes outside for the most part.

The thing is Towns post offense is looking real good. Ideally you need to put him next to w player who also can play inside and out so they can alternate and get out of each other's way like Gasol & BYNUM did. So MONROE would have to develop a jumper. I think he can if his team makes him look work on it. If he does then Watch out

gunsnewing wrote:Yea you are not going to find a more productive young bigman in FA. Assuming He does leave Detroit.

Guys like Lopez, Ajinca are nice if you want to just get in the playoffs. A TOWNS/MONROE frontcourt can be championship caliber and completely dominant

let me ask you a question though. if monroe is such a good young productive big man, why is detroit letting him go? don't give me drummond as the excuse either, nobody lets a good quality big man walk for nothing.