mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

Was Davis the #2 rebounder and #4 scorer on his team in college? No he wasnt. He led his team in scoring, rebs and blocks. The only thing Towns leads his own team on his blocks and that # is about half what Anthony Davis put up.

Its really nice to say Towns like Anthony Davis. Only problem is Davis was able to showcase his level of talent.

Davis 14ppg 10rebs 4.7blocks .623FG%
Towns 9ppg 6rebs 2.4blocks .554FG%

Not even close... in any way shape or form.

I don't think that KT is AD but are you comparing the numbers based on the PER 40?

PPG:

Davis: 17.7
KAT: 18.7

RPG:

Davis: 13.0
KAT: 12.9

Assists:

Davis: 1.7
KAT: 1.9

Blocks:

Davis: 5.8!!
Towns: 4.5

TS:

Davis: 65.4
KAT: 61.5

WS48:

Davis: .314
KAT: .309

Obviously you would need to assume that there would not be diminished returns but this comparison is quite remarkable and surprising.

edited my post with comparison between AD and KAT

I still think OK4 will be something of a bust. Brook Lopez is unstoppable on offense at times, too, so was Yao Ming, heck so is Cousins,... their defense meant their teams were never really title contenders though.

I want to draft a two-way player. Towns and Russell fit that bill. I tend to think the Knicks will get the second or third pick, rather than the first, just based on odds. In my ideal world, we get the second pick, someone else takes OK4 and we get to choose between Towns and Russell.

crzymdups wrote:I'm torn between Karl Anthony Towns and Russell. I'd be thrilled with either.

I still think OK4 will be something of a bust. Brook Lopez is unstoppable on offense at times, too, so was Yao Ming, heck so is Cousins,... their defense meant their teams were never really title contenders though.

I want to draft a two-way player. Towns and Russell fit that bill. I tend to think the Knicks will get the second or third pick, rather than the first, just based on odds. In my ideal world, we get the second pick, someone else takes OK4 and we get to choose between Towns and Russell.

I like your Bropez comparison a lot.

Russell is not really a good defender.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm torn between Karl Anthony Towns and Russell. I'd be thrilled with either.

I still think OK4 will be something of a bust. Brook Lopez is unstoppable on offense at times, too, so was Yao Ming, heck so is Cousins,... their defense meant their teams were never really title contenders though.

I want to draft a two-way player. Towns and Russell fit that bill. I tend to think the Knicks will get the second or third pick, rather than the first, just based on odds. In my ideal world, we get the second pick, someone else takes OK4 and we get to choose between Towns and Russell.

I like your Bropez comparison a lot.

Russell is not really a good defender.

Mudiay has the quickness to be an excellent defender

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:You always have to draft the best talent instead of the best fit...OK4 looks a little slow to me and is methodical in nature...I think he needs to play with more energy...But I'll take OK4 all day..He is only a freshman...He has lots to learn..Duncan freshman year and senior year are two completely different players..

It's possible OK4 improves defensively but Towns is already there. He blocks shots. Maybe if Ok4 losses that baby fat he will move better defensively. Maybe he swells up like Eddy Curry. Who knows? At least you know Towns is in NBA shape and motivated to play both ends

I know from your posting that you really like Towns, but I've watched him playing at times, and wonder about his footwork in terms of movement.

I remember a few years ago that some were high on Thabeet, but whenever I saw him play I saw a guy who did not have the mobility to be a good player, and lacked fundamental skill and instincts. Was not posting around here at that time, but I expect that I would have had some arguments with folks about him.

I AM NOT comparing Towns to Thabeet, Towns clearly has more skills, other than to say that I have seen some games from Towns where he does not look as assertive as a help defender and rebounder, as his reputations says he should be.

You see him on the court matched with Stein, who is physically more mature, of course, and you can see the difference in how they each react and help out on D. You also wonder about Towns getting into foul trouble if he is the only big man on a team.

He is a guy who you really wish you could see play a full season 30+ MPG games without a Stein or Johnson to back him up. He would also have to control his game a bit to keep from fouling out, I would think.

Yea Towns has a lot more skills than Thabeet who was projected to be a more protypical old shook center. Towns is more a modern do it all center. More like Davis

why don't you just cut and paste my posts

My bad I meant to give credit but couldn't remeber who said it. I compared him to Davis before for those very reasons. That was a great point you made and probably will be why Phil picks Towns. Hopefully we are there to pick him

Was Davis the #2 rebounder and #4 scorer on his team in college? No he wasnt. He led his team in scoring, rebs and blocks. The only thing Towns leads his own team on his blocks and that # is about half what Anthony Davis put up.

Its really nice to say Towns like Anthony Davis. Only problem is Davis was able to showcase his level of talent.

Davis 14ppg 10rebs 4.7blocks .623FG%
Towns 9ppg 6rebs 2.4blocks .554FG%

Not even close... in any way shape or form.

I don't think that KT is AD but are you comparing the numbers based on the PER 40?

PPG:

Davis: 17.7
KAT: 18.7

RPG:

Davis: 13.0
KAT: 12.9

Assists:

Davis: 1.7
KAT: 1.9

Blocks:

Davis: 5.8!!
Towns: 4.5

TS:

Davis: 65.4
KAT: 61.5

WS48:

Davis: .314
KAT: .309

Obviously you would need to assume that there would not be diminished returns but this comparison is quite remarkable and surprising.

edited my post with comparison between AD and KAT

personal fouls?

per40... yuck. I wish I could show my employer how good I am for that hour right after I finish my 2nd cup of coffee in the morning and have them base the perception of my whole day on that

You need to look at the per40 to get a better idea. Just comparing their stats and ignoring minutes is beyond silly.

Of course its gonna be a risk no matter who we take.

And, looking at per 40 when a guy plays 5-10 minutes and to a guy who plays 20+ is very different. I actually think that the depth and the minutes restrictions on Kentucky is holding KAT back. And ... when he gets the ball on the left block, he is really really strong.

I to would love to see more so that I can get a better idea though it beats having him play in china.

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm torn between Karl Anthony Towns and Russell. I'd be thrilled with either.

I still think OK4 will be something of a bust. Brook Lopez is unstoppable on offense at times, too, so was Yao Ming, heck so is Cousins,... their defense meant their teams were never really title contenders though.

I want to draft a two-way player. Towns and Russell fit that bill. I tend to think the Knicks will get the second or third pick, rather than the first, just based on odds. In my ideal world, we get the second pick, someone else takes OK4 and we get to choose between Towns and Russell.

I like your Bropez comparison a lot.

Russell is not really a good defender.

Mudiay has the quickness to be an excellent defender

I've never seen Mudiay play an actual game. I've only seen grainy highlight films from China. He could be great... or not. Such a risk with a top three pick. If the Knicks fall down to 4th, I'd consider him, but honestly I'd prefer Willie Caulie Stein. I think that guy is going to be a VERY good defensive center in this league.

Didn't Marbs school Mudiay in one of his last games?

+1

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm torn between Karl Anthony Towns and Russell. I'd be thrilled with either.

I still think OK4 will be something of a bust. Brook Lopez is unstoppable on offense at times, too, so was Yao Ming, heck so is Cousins,... their defense meant their teams were never really title contenders though.

I want to draft a two-way player. Towns and Russell fit that bill. I tend to think the Knicks will get the second or third pick, rather than the first, just based on odds. In my ideal world, we get the second pick, someone else takes OK4 and we get to choose between Towns and Russell.

I like your Bropez comparison a lot.

Russell is not really a good defender.

Mudiay has the quickness to be an excellent defender

I've never seen Mudiay play an actual game. I've only seen grainy highlight films from China. He could be great... or not. Such a risk with a top three pick. If the Knicks fall down to 4th, I'd consider him, but honestly I'd prefer Willie Caulie Stein. I think that guy is going to be a VERY good defensive center in this league.

Didn't Marbs school Mudiay in one of his last games?

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm torn between Karl Anthony Towns and Russell. I'd be thrilled with either.

I still think OK4 will be something of a bust. Brook Lopez is unstoppable on offense at times, too, so was Yao Ming, heck so is Cousins,... their defense meant their teams were never really title contenders though.

I want to draft a two-way player. Towns and Russell fit that bill. I tend to think the Knicks will get the second or third pick, rather than the first, just based on odds. In my ideal world, we get the second pick, someone else takes OK4 and we get to choose between Towns and Russell.

this is the thought process... one Im 100% on board with. However the one thing that trumps this is overall talent and the ability to dominate your competition. If you watch OK4 he does that, and no big who has scored like OK has ever failed at that next level. How good will OK4 be?

crzy... Brook Lopez? He didnt even score at 50% in college.

We arent talking about a "good" scorer in the paint. The EFF% OK is scoring at is sick.

will you be happy if he turns into Al Jefferson?

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:towns has only played 25minutes or more 9 times this season (and less than 20minutes 16 times which is very alarming to me), so to project what he does in 20minutes into 40 is pretty fluky. who knows if he'd be able to hold up either?

Yea that is the unfortunate thing about this kentucky team. There is no way of knowing what Towns could do in the 30+ mins OK4 sees every game

dont get me wrong bro, if i have the #1 pick, im taking towns. i think it's close between the him and ok4. i just get the feeling you're not seeing any of the question marks about towns, because some of them are valid. i know how you get your hopes up lol.

I feel the same. I'd love to have either but I have bigger reservations for ok4 in the NBA than Towns. Last time i was as deadset on a knick prospect it was on Bynum & Bogut. We could've used both guys but we drafted crue over Bynum. Had no shot to draft Bogut.

We get to debate until then