SIGN K.Love and Rondo / draft OK4

Shved is a better fit and he's not a consistent shooter but can at least hit from the FT line. We need a guard who has good PG skills and most importantly can defend and shoot from 3 at a high %.

It's good to look at the list of Free Agent PG's and SG's and imagine which would fit our needs.

Shane Larkin	        PG	22	NYK
Brandon Knight	        PG	23	PHX
Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS
Reggie Jackson	        PG	24	DET
Matt Dellavedova	PG	24	CLE
Darius Morris	        PG	24	BKN
Jeremy Lin	        PG	26	LAL
Alexey Shved	        PG	26	NYK
Norris Cole	        PG	26	NOP
Ishmael Smith	        PG	26	PHI
Rodney Stuckey	        PG	28	IND
Rajon Rondo	        PG	29	DAL
Gary Neal	        PG	30	MIN
C.J. Watson	        PG	30	IND
Jimmer Fredette	        PG	30	NOP
Aaron Brooks	        PG	30	CHI
Jose Barea	        PG	30	DAL
Ronnie Price	        PG	31	LAL
Mo Williams	        PG	32	CHA
John Lucas III	        PG	32	DET
Glen Robinson III	SG	21	PHI
Austin Rivers	        SG	24	LAC
Will Barton	        SG	24	DEN
John Jenkins	        SG	24	ATL
Ian Clark	        SG	24	UTH
Jeff Taylor	        SG	25	CHA
Kyle Singler	        SG	26	OKC
Nick Calathes	        SG	26	MEM
Marcus Thornton	        SG	27	PHX
Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS
Donald Sloan	        SG	27	IND
Wayne Ellington	        SG	27	LAL
Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR
Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS
Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	NOP
Alan Anderson	        SG	32	BKN
Leandro Barbosa	        SG	32	GSW
Willie Green	        SG	33	ORL

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

Phil's comments actually lean towards Willie Cauley Stein. He actually can guard wings, and rotate well enough to contest near the basket. Towns on the wing would get burned and certainly isnt quick enough to rotate back. He may pick Towns, but towns doesnt truly satisfy what he stated.

Yes he does. No one is saying he's got to be as freakishly fast as Stein. Towns has enough lateral quickness to guard away from the basket and he also has the ability to chase and still get the block. You have to go back and watch Towns when he's guarding a smaller player. He's a much better defender than you think.

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knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

Phil's comments actually lean towards Willie Cauley Stein. He actually can guard wings, and rotate well enough to contest near the basket. Towns on the wing would get burned and certainly isnt quick enough to rotate back. He may pick Towns, but towns doesnt truly satisfy what he stated.

Multiple skills/defender equals Towns in my opinion. I like Towns but Okafor seems like a definite franchise cornerstone for 10-12 years. Not sure if Towns is that. He could be more than Okafor but he might not be.

The Knicks have been very visible in the blue grass state. Perhaps no team watched Kentucky more in person this winter than the Knicks, who will likely select anywhere from one through five in June which would place them in a position to draft either Towns or his athletic 7-foot teammate, center Willie Cauley-Stein.

According to several sources close to the Kentucky program, the Knicks top scout Mark Warkentien has attended nearly a dozen Wildcats practices as the club prepares for the most important decision of the Jackson regime. Jackson visited Lexington last week after attending an Ohio State game to watch point guard D’Angelo Russell.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

Phil's comments actually lean towards Willie Cauley Stein. He actually can guard wings, and rotate well enough to contest near the basket. Towns on the wing would get burned and certainly isnt quick enough to rotate back. He may pick Towns, but towns doesnt truly satisfy what he stated.

Multiple skills/defender equals Towns in my opinion. I like Towns but Okafor seems like a definite franchise cornerstone for 10-12 years. Not sure if Towns is that. He could be more than Okafor but he might not be.

He may pick Towns, but just look at face value of what Phil actually said. His description of what his big man desire is fits WCS, but I dont think Phil drafts Stein with a top 1-4 pick. But I certainly do think if a team approaches Phil with another pick (a team who actually drafts WCS) and a solid player...he has to consider it. WCS can guard 1-5, Towns will have an adjustment not only on offense but also on defense. Towns imo will be the better pro, but no way to know what he'll do on the end that Phil specifically talked about.

Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills."

Stein doesn't have multiple skills. Towns does, so quite clearly he was really talking about Towns.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

Phil's comments actually lean towards Willie Cauley Stein. He actually can guard wings, and rotate well enough to contest near the basket. Towns on the wing would get burned and certainly isnt quick enough to rotate back. He may pick Towns, but towns doesnt truly satisfy what he stated.

Multiple skills/defender equals Towns in my opinion. I like Towns but Okafor seems like a definite franchise cornerstone for 10-12 years. Not sure if Towns is that. He could be more than Okafor but he might not be.

He may pick Towns, but just look at face value of what Phil actually said. His description of what his big man desire is fits WCS, but I dont think Phil drafts Stein with a top 1-4 pick. But I certainly do think if a team approaches Phil with another pick (a team who actually drafts WCS) and a solid player...he has to consider it. WCS can guard 1-5, Towns will have an adjustment not only on offense but also on defense. Towns imo will be the better pro, but no way to know what he'll do on the end that Phil specifically talked about.

Towns is a very good defender even against quicker players. Towns defends the PnR very well. He's not going to stop PG's all by himself, but he's quick enough and long enough to recover and stop guards. He even showed that in this game against Wisconsin. He's a lot better than you're giving him credit for in terms of his range on defense. Phil wasn't talking about Stein, even tho Stein is an excellent defender out in space. The question he was asked limited his options to which he'd prefer if he could only choose "a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend", but he doesn't have to choose just one aspect.

Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills."

Stein doesn't have multiple skills. Towns does, so quite clearly he was really talking about Towns.

The skills Phil elaborated on were all defensive, he mentioned the importance of defense way before that question was asked. When asked he clearly picked defense again. I've already posted he might pick Towns, but Towns overall defense is not even close to WCS. Nix, look, WCS is whom I think Phil is talking about, there's really no point of debating about it....neither of us KNOW who is referring to, but we KNOW he answered specific questions....so stick to that. Phil could have easily said, "i want a player who can do work on both sides of the court". He didnt. He said way before that question he'll be looking for defenders in the draft and free agency. To be honest he could draft Kaminsky.

Imo, Phil is gonna do something in this draft and free agency that alot of people are gonna be pissed about. Either way, i just want the team to win...my opinion doesnt eclipse that, and never will.

I want you to watch this video of Towns from High School last year and notice the jumpers he takes from different spots on the floor. You never see him doing this on Kentucky.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

Phil's comments actually lean towards Willie Cauley Stein. He actually can guard wings, and rotate well enough to contest near the basket. Towns on the wing would get burned and certainly isnt quick enough to rotate back. He may pick Towns, but towns doesnt truly satisfy what he stated.

Multiple skills/defender equals Towns in my opinion. I like Towns but Okafor seems like a definite franchise cornerstone for 10-12 years. Not sure if Towns is that. He could be more than Okafor but he might not be.

He may pick Towns, but just look at face value of what Phil actually said. His description of what his big man desire is fits WCS, but I dont think Phil drafts Stein with a top 1-4 pick. But I certainly do think if a team approaches Phil with another pick (a team who actually drafts WCS) and a solid player...he has to consider it. WCS can guard 1-5, Towns will have an adjustment not only on offense but also on defense. Towns imo will be the better pro, but no way to know what he'll do on the end that Phil specifically talked about.

Towns is a very good defender even against quicker players. Towns defends the PnR very well. He's not going to stop PG's all by himself, but he's quick enough and long enough to recover and stop guards. He even showed that in this game against Wisconsin. He's a lot better than you're giving him credit for in terms of his range on defense. Phil wasn't talking about Stein, even tho Stein is an excellent defender out in space. The question he was asked limited his options to which he'd prefer if he could only choose "a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend", but he doesn't have to choose just one aspect.

Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills."

Stein doesn't have multiple skills. Towns does, so quite clearly he was really talking about Towns.

The skills Phil elaborated on were all defensive, he mentioned the importance of defense way before that question was asked. When asked he clearly picked defense again. I've already posted he might pick Towns, but Towns overall defense is not even close to WCS. Nix, look, WCS is whom I think Phil is talking about, there's really no point of debating about it....neither of us KNOW who is referring to, but we KNOW he answered specific questions....so stick to that. Phil could have easily said, "i want a player who can do work on both sides of the court". He didnt. He said way before that question he'll be looking for defenders in the draft and free agency. To be honest he could draft Kaminsky.

Imo, Phil is gonna do something in this draft and free agency that alot of people are gonna be pissed about. Either way, i just want the team to win...my opinion doesnt eclipse that, and never will.

Only way I see Phil passing over Towns for Stein is if he made a deal to add another pick who he could also grab a kid like Winslow or Kaminsky etc. Then it would make more sense cuz you've added more quality depth than just one player. Other than that if he keeps the pick he's gonna go for Towns IMO. Dude isn't even showing all of his skills on Kentucky. He can shoot with range too.

I want you to watch this video of Towns from High School last year and notice the jumpers he takes from different spots on the floor. You never see him doing this on Kentucky.

I've actually seen Towns play live way before college, Cal imo only displayed 25% of what towns can actually do. Trust me, thinking Phil prefers WCS doesnt mean he wouldnt pick Towns. I've already said he may, I'm saying it again since apprently it's not understood for the third time. but for the team going forward...next year and beyond, I think he is leaning toward WCS.

But lets be honest....nobody knows, so thats that.

Phil has scouted Kentucky pretty darned hard. He's had his top scout Mark Warkentien practically living at their practices and he's a former GM. I think there's no way that they would take Stein unless they were to trade down and get more picks. Otherwise there's no scenario that would make sense to take Stein over Towns. KAT is only 19 and already showing so much potential and Stein seems to have far less upside at 21.

You draft between 1-4 you have to draft for max potential and KAT has vastly higher potential than Stein. I don't think he's even "leaning" towards Stein. It's not logical to see any talent evaluator thinking like that when you have the chance to take a franchise level talent. Stein can be a great role player but he's not a "franchise" level prospect on the level of OK4 or Towns. That's the reason i'm even arguing with you about this. I see absolutely no way Phil would take Stein if he had the choice of Towns or OK4. Not that high. Maybe at 3 or 4 but even that to me would seem like a massive mistake in terms of potential at the next level.

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knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think in terms of the draft i'd go after Towns. I think he would help to form a core that can defend the way we need and also be effective in the half court offensively. With Towns he may not be dominant offensively right out of the box, but I know he can defend at a high level right off the bat.

I'm back to my original position on the draft. No need to mess around if we get that #1 pick take Towns. After that OK4 etc. I just think it would set up the team in the right way defensively, which is a priority IMO and he still has enough skills on offense and it seems Phil also feels that way.

- Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills." He also mentioned "We have zero big men" under contract next year. Asked if he'd prefer a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend, he didn't even wait a millisecond: "Defender." This led to an elaboration on why he traded Tyson Chandler, namely Tyson's injuries last year and the fact that he's in his thirties. But he did cite Chandler as the type of big man he wants to add, citing that with "so many screen/rolls, so many threes" in the game now, you need a big man who can contend with all that.

Phil's comments actually lean towards Willie Cauley Stein. He actually can guard wings, and rotate well enough to contest near the basket. Towns on the wing would get burned and certainly isnt quick enough to rotate back. He may pick Towns, but towns doesnt truly satisfy what he stated.

Multiple skills/defender equals Towns in my opinion. I like Towns but Okafor seems like a definite franchise cornerstone for 10-12 years. Not sure if Towns is that. He could be more than Okafor but he might not be.

He may pick Towns, but just look at face value of what Phil actually said. His description of what his big man desire is fits WCS, but I dont think Phil drafts Stein with a top 1-4 pick. But I certainly do think if a team approaches Phil with another pick (a team who actually drafts WCS) and a solid player...he has to consider it. WCS can guard 1-5, Towns will have an adjustment not only on offense but also on defense. Towns imo will be the better pro, but no way to know what he'll do on the end that Phil specifically talked about.

Towns is a very good defender even against quicker players. Towns defends the PnR very well. He's not going to stop PG's all by himself, but he's quick enough and long enough to recover and stop guards. He even showed that in this game against Wisconsin. He's a lot better than you're giving him credit for in terms of his range on defense. Phil wasn't talking about Stein, even tho Stein is an excellent defender out in space. The question he was asked limited his options to which he'd prefer if he could only choose "a big man who can pass and score or one who can defend", but he doesn't have to choose just one aspect.

Phil said he "knows" whom he wants to draft. "We want a player that has multiple skills."

Stein doesn't have multiple skills. Towns does, so quite clearly he was really talking about Towns.

The skills Phil elaborated on were all defensive, he mentioned the importance of defense way before that question was asked. When asked he clearly picked defense again. I've already posted he might pick Towns, but Towns overall defense is not even close to WCS. Nix, look, WCS is whom I think Phil is talking about, there's really no point of debating about it....neither of us KNOW who is referring to, but we KNOW he answered specific questions....so stick to that. Phil could have easily said, "i want a player who can do work on both sides of the court". He didnt. He said way before that question he'll be looking for defenders in the draft and free agency. To be honest he could draft Kaminsky.

Imo, Phil is gonna do something in this draft and free agency that alot of people are gonna be pissed about. Either way, i just want the team to win...my opinion doesnt eclipse that, and never will.

knickscity--I am 100% with you on this. I believe that Phil was talking about WCS and somewhat arrogantly in the same senetence. Can I prove that--no--but if we take his words on basis--he was talking abouT WCS--additionally the confidence in his words was more like yes I know our player--meaning if we get pick 1-2-3-4 I know who we are getting and the only guy that would be there 4 times is WCS. Karl Towns will be gone by pick #2.

- Phil was specifically asked what he looks for in a big man and whether he prefers a big man that has a strong offensive game or is ahead of the curve defensively. Phil was adamant that he prefers bigs that play D first (most of the ticketholders, including me, took this to mean that he would take Towns over Okafor). At a separate point in the town hall, Phil again emphasized that he prefers defense to offense and said in team sports, defense is what ultimately helps win championships