Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Bargs has looked worse due to injuries. After the injuries he comes back off his game and trying to get healthy. When healthy he can be productive. It's annoying for some to talk like you can just write him off without considering our limited talent and the fact we'll need players to fill out the roster. This is the 1st time in Years that Bargs has had a chance to play when he's fully healthy.

You find it annoying?

How annoying was your parade of nonsense about Calderon being a top PG who just needed to get healthy to show his abilities.

Yeah, every player you decide to pump up into a fake hero always has an excuse for their lame performance. According to you, we need to wait, wait, wait until ...........

they get healthy

have the right system to function in

have the right mix of teammates to play with

You have an excuse for everything. And you want to tell people to calm down, be patient, stop being ridiculous and to GTFOH! because you know better.

You know nothing.

YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Hector wrote:I think Bargnani is gonna **** with us & play well enough the rest of the year to get a few years & some dough.

Then he'll shut it down for another 2 years.

At least he's showing a slight pulse now.

That is why you say NO to guys like this. They will suddenly play well right when the possibility of banishment from the league arises. And suckers will lap it up as proof he has finally turned a corner. We have some suckers here. If Phil signs Bargs I'll know he is useless as a GM.

If Bargs ever gave a damn about competing then he would have cared a long time ago. The guy doesn't care about basketball, he has no love for the game and his mind wanders easily.

He flew through the air and missed the rest of the season. Did he take care of his body and get ready for this season? I doubt it. He was lame by training camp and it took him another half a season to even get on the floor.

He's a bum.

Suckers loves bums.

Bargnani is the gold standard among bum suckers.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Bargs has looked worse due to injuries. After the injuries he comes back off his game and trying to get healthy. When healthy he can be productive. It's annoying for some to talk like you can just write him off without considering our limited talent and the fact we'll need players to fill out the roster. This is the 1st time in Years that Bargs has had a chance to play when he's fully healthy.

You find it annoying?

How annoying was your parade of nonsense about Calderon being a top PG who just needed to get healthy to show his abilities.

Yeah, every player you decide to pump up into a fake hero always has an excuse for their lame performance. According to you, we need to wait, wait, wait until ...........

they get healthy

have the right system to function in

have the right mix of teammates to play with

You have an excuse for everything. And you want to tell people to calm down, be patient, stop being ridiculous and to GTFOH! because you know better.

You know nothing.

YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING.

I probably would have been more polite but I think everything you said is right.

It was my dream to be right about the Knicks organization turning over a new leaf, for Phil Jackson to come in and actually do a full rebuild and some how, some way for a winning culture to take root despite the toxic reign of James Dolan.

Yet if one tells the truth and is right about how wrong everything has gone, then so be it.

But how can one poster get everything wrong, literally everything? And have the balls to constantly tell people to GTFOH! ????

It seems they get a pass for a supposedly sunny disposition. Someone actually was cuckoo enough to say they were an esteemed member of the community. What is sunny and warm and cuddly about a deranged person pounding out exclamation points and telling everyone to get lost? I don't get it.

I think that kind of stuff is the worst posting of all. I can put the other crazies on ignore, but Nix is literally out of their mind. I find it hard to resist responding to their relentless spew of idiotic assertions. Sorry, it just pushes my buttons in a massive way. I cannot abide by corporate tools like Nix. I may be rough and not others cup of tea. I get it, but his Dolanist world view is utterly toxic to me.

Splat wrote:Knowing this franchise, you guys will probably get what you wish for. Wanting Bargs back is like wanting to resign Amare. I feel you'll regret it.

Saying that judging him based on his injury history is overstated is precisely the kind of willful disregard for history I find puzzling from otherwise intelligent fans.

How can you say his history of being injured is not a major concern? Who cares what his contract costs? The opportunity cost of players who never suit up for a full or even a half season is not something to shrug off.

Bargs has the courage of a church mouse. He will disappoint all of you, because that is what he does. Talent has nothing to do with it when their character and durability is so abysmal.

And clean slates do matter. Bargs is a failure. Keeping him is not good juju, but that's just how my voodoo dolls and I roll.

Splat what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? It's the same contract afforded Smith. Bargain is no saviour but does his play right now deserve to be 're examined on a 1 year deal if he plays the string out like this? Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? Our 2016 draft is gone because of him now he's playing the way we want he's already played himself out of a big money extension so we aren't buying low because???

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Knowing this franchise, you guys will probably get what you wish for. Wanting Bargs back is like wanting to resign Amare. I feel you'll regret it.

Saying that judging him based on his injury history is overstated is precisely the kind of willful disregard for history I find puzzling from otherwise intelligent fans.

How can you say his history of being injured is not a major concern? Who cares what his contract costs? The opportunity cost of players who never suit up for a full or even a half season is not something to shrug off.

Bargs has the courage of a church mouse. He will disappoint all of you, because that is what he does. Talent has nothing to do with it when their character and durability is so abysmal.

And clean slates do matter. Bargs is a failure. Keeping him is not good juju, but that's just how my voodoo dolls and I roll.

Splat what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? It's the same contract afforded Smith. Bargain is no saviour but does his play right now deserve to be 're examined on a 1 year deal if he plays the string out like this? Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? Our 2016 draft is gone because of him now he's playing the way we want he's already played himself out of a big money extension so we aren't buying low because???

Phil traded Tyson for cents on the dollar because he believed that the team needed culture change.

Bargs screams failure at every level. We need to never see his face again. Even MR mid range Phil isnt this stupid.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Knowing this franchise, you guys will probably get what you wish for. Wanting Bargs back is like wanting to resign Amare. I feel you'll regret it.

Saying that judging him based on his injury history is overstated is precisely the kind of willful disregard for history I find puzzling from otherwise intelligent fans.

How can you say his history of being injured is not a major concern? Who cares what his contract costs? The opportunity cost of players who never suit up for a full or even a half season is not something to shrug off.

Bargs has the courage of a church mouse. He will disappoint all of you, because that is what he does. Talent has nothing to do with it when their character and durability is so abysmal.

And clean slates do matter. Bargs is a failure. Keeping him is not good juju, but that's just how my voodoo dolls and I roll.

Splat what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? It's the same contract afforded Smith. Bargain is no saviour but does his play right now deserve to be 're examined on a 1 year deal if he plays the string out like this? Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? Our 2016 draft is gone because of him now he's playing the way we want he's already played himself out of a big money extension so we aren't buying low because???

Phil traded Tyson for cents on the dollar because he believed that the team needed culture change.

Bargs screams failure at every level. We need to never see his face again. Even MR mid range Phil isnt this stupid.

So far Phil has been pretty stupid.

agreed.

BRIGGS wrote:

Splat wrote:Knowing this franchise, you guys will probably get what you wish for. Wanting Bargs back is like wanting to resign Amare. I feel you'll regret it.

Saying that judging him based on his injury history is overstated is precisely the kind of willful disregard for history I find puzzling from otherwise intelligent fans.

How can you say his history of being injured is not a major concern? Who cares what his contract costs? The opportunity cost of players who never suit up for a full or even a half season is not something to shrug off.

Bargs has the courage of a church mouse. He will disappoint all of you, because that is what he does. Talent has nothing to do with it when their character and durability is so abysmal.

And clean slates do matter. Bargs is a failure. Keeping him is not good juju, but that's just how my voodoo dolls and I roll.

Splat what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? It's the same contract afforded Smith. Bargain is no saviour but does his play right now deserve to be 're examined on a 1 year deal if he plays the string out like this? Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? Our 2016 draft is gone because of him now he's playing the way we want he's already played himself out of a big money extension so we aren't buying low because???

Even with all considerations of a player's past being taken into account, invoking Smith neglects one basic thing. He actually has suited up during his season as a Knick. Bargs has been an ambulance case. So as far as earning their bread as Knicks, one gets a passing grade, the other gets an F. It is poor management to reward failures with renewed contracts. Don't let your mental calculations fool you into thinking otherwise. You simply do not bring back people who continually fail under your watch no matter what you think their potential is or should be. That is Management 101.

Your mind is playing tricks on you. Believing Bargs is going to be different than what he already is justifies nothing. It wouldn't matter if the cup was overflowing or that the cupboards are presently bare. It should never affect your judgment like it has yours.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:... what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? ... Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? ....

Briggs, you and a few others seem to g a pretty key basketball point here.

The role Bargs is playing now is not the role he will be tasked if the Knicks resign him. It's easy to get "yours" when you are the only real veteran on the floor and the rest of the team is actually playing some semblance of team ball and the roster doesn't have STAT, JR Smith or Shump on it. Also Melo is on the shelf. And Calderon is sort of limping in and out of the lineup.

Plenty of fringe NBA players can fill up the stat sheet if you give them the green light, make them the primary offensive option and keep feeding them. The reason why lots of these guys don't stay in the league is many CANNOT FILL A MORE LIMITED ROLE WITH ACTUAL EFFICIENCY.

It's one thing to pour in 20 points when you are burning at 35 minutes a game.

However, it's another story to get 10-12 minutes a game and give you 10 points.

Bargs

1) Is not a starter you can win with in any fashion. He isn't dominant in any one area, he is a defensive liability, he can't create his own shot

2) Is not a reserve who can operate in limited minutes efficiently ( This is where nixluva's "Well he just need to get more shots to get his rhythm going" crap should get thrown in his face)

3) He is injury prone. The caveat "Well if he's healthy" is asking a player to be something that his recent record has shown he's not. Which is reliable and healthy.

4) He has no long term future for the team. But an UDFA or a 2nd rounder ( if the Knicks buy one) might.

5) He's a poor fit with the projected carryover roster. Melo is a lousy defender. Calderon is a lousy defender. Do you want to add yet another lousy defender into that mix? Briggs talks about winning games, but Briggs never talks about defense. Well except to sell the board on some shot in the dark rookie draft prospect. Bargs is also a PF, which is Melo's position. Crazy idea. Spend money at the wing and pivot instead of keep spending at point guard and PF ( which Briggs seems to want to do) You can find cheaper/low cost help at PG and PF in the league, finding that at the pivot and wing is extremely difficult.

The Bargs you see now will not be the Bargs you see next year with 10 minutes a game. You can't just look at a player when he's the first or 2nd offensive option, you have to see how he'd project as the 4th and how he'd adjust to that role. I think another issue is Bargs isn't creating mismatches, the other teams just don't care. Take as many long twos as you like, there you go, have at it, we will take away something else that we deem more critical.

Or did none of us here see opposing NFL teams over stuff the run on the Jets and dare Mark Sanchez to beat them through the air?

The defense, by practicality, has to give you something. It can't be everywhere. Sometimes the defense picks it's own poison, giving you something inefficient so it can take other things away from you.

Langston Galloway will make like 845K next year. He would never have had the chance if the prevailing theory is Shump or JR Smith is the best we can get and the best we can do period. If them, then nothing.

I'm not saying some rookie big will have the Galloway impact, but you will never know unless you give them that chance.

I would not bring Bargs back as a 10 minute player and what kind of NBA impact do you think Langston Galloway has had? He's a frnge NBA d league player he's had no NBA impact other than he might stick as a back up. I know bargs can get me 20 points. Why am I debating this? Bargs at 4 mmis a good deal. If Langston Galloway is not on this roster there are 50 guys who can do what he does. There are barely any people on this earth who can score 20 points in the NBA post on a regular basis

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:... what is a one year nominal contract with a team option for 2 do? ... Does he have some kind of plague that you're not disclosing? ....

Briggs, you and a few others seem to g a pretty key basketball point here.

The role Bargs is playing now is not the role he will be tasked if the Knicks resign him. It's easy to get "yours" when you are the only real veteran on the floor and the rest of the team is actually playing some semblance of team ball and the roster doesn't have STAT, JR Smith or Shump on it. Also Melo is on the shelf. And Calderon is sort of limping in and out of the lineup.

Plenty of fringe NBA players can fill up the stat sheet if you give them the green light, make them the primary offensive option and keep feeding them. The reason why lots of these guys don't stay in the league is many CANNOT FILL A MORE LIMITED ROLE WITH ACTUAL EFFICIENCY.

It's one thing to pour in 20 points when you are burning at 35 minutes a game.

However, it's another story to get 10-12 minutes a game and give you 10 points.

Bargs

1) Is not a starter you can win with in any fashion. He isn't dominant in any one area, he is a defensive liability, he can't create his own shot

2) Is not a reserve who can operate in limited minutes efficiently ( This is where nixluva's "Well he just need to get more shots to get his rhythm going" crap should get thrown in his face)

3) He is injury prone. The caveat "Well if he's healthy" is asking a player to be something that his recent record has shown he's not. Which is reliable and healthy.

4) He has no long term future for the team. But an UDFA or a 2nd rounder ( if the Knicks buy one) might.

5) He's a poor fit with the projected carryover roster. Melo is a lousy defender. Calderon is a lousy defender. Do you want to add yet another lousy defender into that mix? Briggs talks about winning games, but Briggs never talks about defense. Well except to sell the board on some shot in the dark rookie draft prospect. Bargs is also a PF, which is Melo's position. Crazy idea. Spend money at the wing and pivot instead of keep spending at point guard and PF ( which Briggs seems to want to do) You can find cheaper/low cost help at PG and PF in the league, finding that at the pivot and wing is extremely difficult.

The Bargs you see now will not be the Bargs you see next year with 10 minutes a game. You can't just look at a player when he's the first or 2nd offensive option, you have to see how he'd project as the 4th and how he'd adjust to that role. I think another issue is Bargs isn't creating mismatches, the other teams just don't care. Take as many long twos as you like, there you go, have at it, we will take away something else that we deem more critical.

Or did none of us here see opposing NFL teams over stuff the run on the Jets and dare Mark Sanchez to beat them through the air?

The defense, by practicality, has to give you something. It can't be everywhere. Sometimes the defense picks it's own poison, giving you something inefficient so it can take other things away from you.

Langston Galloway will make like 845K next year. He would never have had the chance if the prevailing theory is Shump or JR Smith is the best we can get and the best we can do period. If them, then nothing.

I'm not saying some rookie big will have the Galloway impact, but you will never know unless you give them that chance.

I would not bring Bargs back as a 10 minute player and what kind of NBA impact do you think Langston Galloway has had? He's a frnge NBA d league player he's had no NBA impact other than he might stick as a back up. I know bargs can get me 20 points. Why am I debating stupidity? Bargs at 4 mmis a good deal. If Langston Galloway is not on this roster there are 50 guys who can do what he does. There are barely any people on this earth who can score 20 points in the NBA post on a regular basis

Calling Triple's points stupidity makes you look silly. He laid out a compelling case for why Bargs would not be in a situation that supports him being a 20 PPG player when Melo is back, not to mention the poor roster mix with a continued porous defense. And you called him stupid. Lame

When someone is telling me that Langston Galloway is an NBA impact player I just shouldn't reply. I'll just say that I hope Phil has an open mind but I will not be surprised when bargs is on the spurs and we sign Steve novak