93BUICK wrote:I've sat next to Eny and rooted for Larry Hughes - the man is legit-
On a personal note- this balanced optic viewpoint in the midst of pure Knicks dogdoo is a sign that Eny's family life is very rich healthy and wholesome, Eny- glad to see you are obviously saner and calmer than the average man.
That being said, as an average man- I'm panicking and starting to Phil like all those other times.....

I'm so glad Eny started this rap session so that we can all express our Knicks feelings. I would like to answer the question in terms of the Kübler-Ross model, which discusses the seven stages of grief. The most important of which, for our discussion, is the second stage:

Anger

When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, it becomes frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would God let this happen?".

Many Knick fans can't seem to get past this stage. Personally I feel I'm at the Acceptance stage. I accept that this franchise sucks and will things will never get much better. And, just in case it does, by that time no one will care any more.

EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

You know what the average team's record is the year after getting the #1 draft pick? I looked it up a while ago. It's somewhere in the mid .300s. The pick could be great eventually but we don't have a lot of time left if any in Melo's prime. The cap room helps too but this team is so far from just being mediocre. We only have one player right now who clearly belongs in an NBA rotation.

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

You know what the average team's record is the year after getting the #1 draft pick? I looked it up a while ago. It's somewhere in the mid .300s. The pick could be great eventually but we don't have a lot of time left if any in Melo's prime. The cap room helps too but this team is so far from just being mediocre. We only have one player right now who clearly belongs in an NBA rotation.

But we still have a top pick and cap space. There's still an outside chance we can get some good players here and make a huge turn around. We get Melo back, a top pick that contributes right away and two nice free agents were back in business. Even if we can't sign 2 nice free agents we still have the money in the stash to use when we have a chance. It's a healthy and happy situation

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

You know what the average team's record is the year after getting the #1 draft pick? I looked it up a while ago. It's somewhere in the mid .300s. The pick could be great eventually but we don't have a lot of time left if any in Melo's prime. The cap room helps too but this team is so far from just being mediocre. We only have one player right now who clearly belongs in an NBA rotation.

But we still have a top pick and cap space. There's still an outside chance we can get some good players here and make a huge turn around. We get Melo back, a top pick that contributes right away and two nice free agents were back in business. Even if we can't sign 2 nice free agents we still have the money in the stash to use when we have a chance. It's a healthy and happy situation

I agree that we are in a less bad situation than the average top lottery team but we're still extremely far from being a mediocre team. If Melo was 5 years younger and taking up half the cap room and we weren't missing so many of our upcoming picks, it would be a nice situation.

Saying were less bad than the average lottery team in the context of your argument is not healthy. I only care about our situation. My mind is all over the place trying to see how we can improve, but sweet baby Jesus, why do we have to keep crying about dumb stuff? It's stealing the joy of being a fan. Yeah we've been horrible for 15 years but the Knicks are my team.

We have a top 4 pick and cap space..... it's all good

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

You know what the average team's record is the year after getting the #1 draft pick? I looked it up a while ago. It's somewhere in the mid .300s. The pick could be great eventually but we don't have a lot of time left if any in Melo's prime. The cap room helps too but this team is so far from just being mediocre. We only have one player right now who clearly belongs in an NBA rotation.

But we still have a top pick and cap space. There's still an outside chance we can get some good players here and make a huge turn around. We get Melo back, a top pick that contributes right away and two nice free agents were back in business. Even if we can't sign 2 nice free agents we still have the money in the stash to use when we have a chance. It's a healthy and happy situation

I agree that we are in a less bad situation than the average top lottery team but we're still extremely far from being a mediocre team. If Melo was 5 years younger and taking up half the cap room and we weren't missing so many of our upcoming picks, it would be a nice situation.

Saying were less bad than the average lottery team in the context of your argument is not healthy. I only care about our situation. My mind is all over the place trying to see how we can improve, but sweet baby Jesus, why do we have to keep crying about dumb stuff? It's stealing the joy of being a fan. Yeah we've been horrible for 15 years but the Knicks are my team.

We have a top 4 pick and cap space..... it's all good

Being a Knicks fan is not healthy. This is probably taking years off all our lives.

It might be but it still should be fun to follow. I don't see the fun in complaining that your team that's been bad for 15 has no chance to change for another 10 years. That's not fun to talk about all day everyday. That to me is pathetic. I love my knicks win or lose. If you have a team you just roll with everything. You can get pissed as I often do but there is a culture of crybaby stuff going on in 2015 that's different than any time i been following sports.

TripleThreat wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Why so hostile and angry?

Is this really coming from a guy who actually started a post in the offseason about his personal problems, splattered them ( do you like the irony of that Splat, to use 'splattered') on the main board, about your anger management issues?

Also from a guy who uses his signature to disparage six other UK members?

The same guy in the offseason who went on and on about how he'd be so happy when I was eventually banned forever from UK because I disagreed with him on his assertion that Amare Stoudamire could play 30 minutes a night when nothing in STAT's recent game/injury history gave any kind of indication that such usage was likely or possible.

The same guy who seemingly just starts posts haphazardly when he feels like it?

Any rebuilding professional sports team will naturally polarize it's established fan base. People will have different viewpoints on how to rebuild and what is the best methodology. And esp in the NBA, since it has so many fewer mechanisms for change compared to the NFL, MLB and the NHL, each decision becomes so much more critical because the talent gaps between tiers of players is huge, the talent pipeline is narrow and the nature of the contract structure is patently unforgiving.

Mostly I think your original post is a way to vent and just say that you like the direction that the Knicks are in and anyone who disagrees with you can go screw off and are wrong.

You've got your right to your opinion EnySpree, I just don't think you actually respect anyone else's right to theirs about the Knicks when it is in conflict with yours.

PS I doubt nixluva is paid by James Dolan to shill for the Knicks, but if he did, it would be amusing to see Dolan screw up yet another personnel decision.

I can hear Mick Jagger singer "Splattered" in my head right now.

As far as Envy is concerned, the simplest metaphor is they've bought their ticket for next season already and they don't care about any other comments. That's fine.

As far as Nix is concerned, if they are not getting paid, then they damn well should be for all the work they put in to advance the corporation. It would be really sad if they are working for free. They are a shill either way. I can shrug off the curmudgeons and hater haterz (a HH is now an actual term and defined role), but the unrelenting servitude to Dolan makes me want to wretch.

Every single thing Dolan does Nix is there dutifully propping it up as a positive until it falls to pieces like everything this organization touches. This is not optimism. It a relentless screed by a shrill shill who shouts down others with caps and exclamation points. Nix has the least regard for difference of opinion of anyone here.

Somehow his simplistic diatribes have succeeded in duping others that his outlook is perpetual optimism when in actuality his complete disconnect from reality and willingness to pimp for the company is the most cynical posture here.

Nix is not entirely dumb. They at least have some grasp of group psychology and has gotten away with this "optimist" pose for so long. But its fake and rancid. I got fed up at his revolting corporate ball-licking and spoke up.

Besides, Dolan does have minions who arrange to plant people and try to influence public opinion. Who would you recruit? Nix.

Regardless, he's a whore for Dolan no matter what his level of engagement with those union-busting creeps is. Nix is a corporate tool.

The fans have been sold down the river. I'm no longer a Knicks fan. Dolan destroyed my love of whatever once constituted being a Knicks fan finally. I have good memories, but I have no loyalty to Dolan.

And anyone who says I shouldn't voice my opinion then can go stick it. That would be like saying you shouldn't have an opinion about a past government because it lost the last election. We as fans have been raped and fire bombed by Dolan. He is not a Knicks man. He hates real fans with minds of their own. The only fan Dolan likes is the one who pays his ridiculous prices and keeps their mouth shut.

OK, Triple, vent over.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Whatever you guys are saying it still doesn't escape the fact the Knicks will have a top 4 pick and 30 million in cap space....

there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Everything you guys ate talking about is a bunch of bull**** drama.

You know what the average team's record is the year after getting the #1 draft pick? I looked it up a while ago. It's somewhere in the mid .300s. The pick could be great eventually but we don't have a lot of time left if any in Melo's prime. The cap room helps too but this team is so far from just being mediocre. We only have one player right now who clearly belongs in an NBA rotation.

But we still have a top pick and cap space. There's still an outside chance we can get some good players here and make a huge turn around. We get Melo back, a top pick that contributes right away and two nice free agents were back in business. Even if we can't sign 2 nice free agents we still have the money in the stash to use when we have a chance. It's a healthy and happy situation

I agree that we are in a less bad situation than the average top lottery team but we're still extremely far from being a mediocre team. If Melo was 5 years younger and taking up half the cap room and we weren't missing so many of our upcoming picks, it would be a nice situation.

Saying were less bad than the average lottery team in the context of your argument is not healthy. I only care about our situation. My mind is all over the place trying to see how we can improve, but sweet baby Jesus, why do we have to keep crying about dumb stuff? It's stealing the joy of being a fan. Yeah we've been horrible for 15 years but the Knicks are my team.

We have a top 4 pick and cap space..... it's all good

Being a Knicks fan is not healthy. This is probably taking years off all our lives.

It might be but it still should be fun to follow. I don't see the fun in complaining that your team that's been bad for 15 has no chance to change for another 10 years. That's not fun to talk about all day everyday. That to me is pathetic. I love my knicks win or lose. If you have a team you just roll with everything. You can get pissed as I often do but there is a culture of crybaby stuff going on in 2015 that's different than any time i been following sports.

A) You have to grow numb to the team's actual success. Winning would be great but losing doesn't hurt. This took me at least a decade.
B) You have to enjoy the process of evaluation.

I am numb to everything we been through. That's why I'm still enjoying the fact we have a top 4 pick and almost 30 million in cap space.

I'm also enjoying this new process. I can see the potential.

I don't know if I said it before but we're going to have a top 4 lottery pick and 30 million in cap space

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Splat wrote:
No, you are consistently wrong about EVERYTHING.

You have not gotten a single thing right.

I thought you might be mentally ill or just a really dumb super fan.

But I realized there could not be the real explanation for someone being completely wrong about EVERYTHING and still spouting off like you do.

You probably were a super fan, but now you're just a whore.

I know Dolan has people who arrange for plants on message boards. They have been here and on other Knicks boards. Don't even tell me I'm crazy. I already expect you or some other numb nuts to shout me down and say I can't possibly know this. Sorry pal. I know this.

I know how Dolan's psychotic and controlling attitude doesn't stop at abuse of employees and attacking union policies. It extends into the paranoid and ham-fisted attempts at tampering with public opinion. They have PR people who use at least 4-6 degrees of separation to find and locate posters to post on message boards.

You are the one I'd recruit to keep the Dolan agenda going. You're perfect, because now you're going to have a dozen suckers rush to your defense as a true optimist. You are so phoney, but the world is full of suckers. I don't believe your eternal sunshine of the mentally defective mind act any longer. You've gone so far past the point of credibility I'm sure you are driving an agenda to support this company far more than the team. You're completely full of it.

You're a hustler and a liar.

I'll just say that i'm totally comfortable with my place on this forum. What do you bring to the table? I can't think of much. It's really not about me but feel free to keep making meaningless posts and proving you aren't adding squat to the conversation and never do.

Nothing you posted changes the facts of the matter. We have a culture and system installed on both the D League and NBA level. We have one clear voice and vision and everyone is in sync for the 1st time in a long time. We have cleaned out a lot of the players that didn't fit and now we will likely have a top 4 pick and enough cap space to put together a quality team next year. I fail to see how anything that we're saying can be refuted when we're stating the facts of what's ahead for this team. Of course there are no guarantees of success but we haven't had this set of circumstances going into an off season in a long time.

Spoken like the the hustling gloss artist you are.

The bold exemplifies your brand of corporate horsecrap you keep shoveling like a boring drone. There is no one clear voice. Phil's voice has dwindled into a pathetic mumble.

You've been co-opted by Dolan and now you're working overtime for one of the worst owner in professional sports history. I'd say you should be ashamed, but I know that is not in your nature. You'll peddle garbage forever. That's what you do.

The franchise is the worst in the NBA. A # 1 pick and spending money and Langston Galloway does not make it any less so. I thought you were the ultimate fantasy jock who couldn't deal with reality, but now I'm sure you're pushing the corporate agenda. You were a Knicks fan once I'm sure of that, but now you're just a corporate whore.

You were a more interesting read with just the pure negativity Melohate rah rah, all the gifs and without the playa2 conspiracy mindset. Please consider reverting back to your former personality.