dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:somehere TKF, splat & dk are saying I told you so

Dk always said it would be his 'troublesome shoulders'.

no i said that he was breaking down because of bully ball and that it could be his shoulders, his knees, his back. that's what bully ball does, especially to an athlete with chronic conditioning issues, hauling around an extra 20 pounds.

and to be clear there's no "told you so" from me. rather, it's time for some of you ingrates to sack up and admit that re-signing him was a huge mistake. even when healthy carmelo anthony's maximum value to the knicks and their specific situation was 15-million dollars, a fair price for a one-way player who was destined for a sixth man role.

if i was the gm with full autonomy that is what i would have offered him. jackson either did not ever have the autonomy we have been led to believe or he is an absolute imbecile.

so lets agree to have no more of this fishmikian "what the market will bear" pandering foolishness please. that's not how you build a winning team.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:somehere TKF, splat & dk are saying I told you so

Dk always said it would be his 'troublesome shoulders'.

no i said that he was breaking down because of bully ball and that it could be his shoulders, his knees, his back. that's what bully ball does, especially to an athlete with chronic conditioning issues, hauling around an extra 20 pounds.

and to be clear there's no "told you so" from me. rather, it's time for some of you ingrates to sack up and admit that re-signing him was a huge mistake. even when healthy carmelo anthony's maximum value to the knicks and their specific situation was 15-million dollars, a fair price for a one-way player who was destined for a sixth man role.

if i was the gm with full autonomy that is what i would have offered him. jackson either did not ever have the autonomy we have been led to believe or he is an absolute imbecile.

so lets agree to have no more of this fishmikian "what the market will bear" pandering foolishness please. that's not how you build a winning team.

All of this is premature. We have to wait to see how he comes back after the surgery. The normal prognosis suggests that he can play at a high level for years after the surgery as Amar'e did. It's hard to know the size of the lesion they have to repair and how his body will respond. It could be great or bad we just don't know. Once the new Cartilage takes hold he should be fine for a few years before it would break down again. Amar'e played a good 5-6 years on his before it wore down.

CrushAlot wrote:

Mray20 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:somehere TKF, splat & dk are saying I told you so

Dk always said it would be his 'troublesome shoulders'.

no i said that he was breaking down because of bully ball and that it could be his shoulders, his knees, his back. that's what bully ball does, especially to an athlete with chronic conditioning issues, hauling around an extra 20 pounds.

and to be clear there's no "told you so" from me. rather, it's time for some of you ingrates to sack up and admit that re-signing him was a huge mistake. even when healthy carmelo anthony's maximum value to the knicks and their specific situation was 15-million dollars, a fair price for a one-way player who was destined for a sixth man role.

if i was the gm with full autonomy that is what i would have offered him. jackson either did not ever have the autonomy we have been led to believe or he is an absolute imbecile.

so lets agree to have no more of this fishmikian "what the market will bear" pandering foolishness please. that's not how you build a winning team.

All of this is premature. We have to wait to see how he comes back after the surgery. The normal prognosis suggests that he can play at a high level for years after the surgery as Amar'e did. It's hard to know the size of the lesion they have to repair and how his body will respond. It could be great or bad we just don't know. Once the new Cartilage takes hold he should be fine for a few years before it would break down again. Amar'e played a good 5-6 years on his before it wore down.

Amare was only 22 when he had surgery though and only played 3 seasons, Melo will be 31 playing 12 seasons, big difference

Amare had micro fracture surgery then. He had debridement surgery during the 54 win season.

Well we see how that turned out, I'm trying to be optimistic but given the history of the Knicks medical staff & Melo playing for a long time in this league I don't have a great feeling about this

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:somehere TKF, splat & dk are saying I told you so

well come back splat ... we miss da pictures

"Phil's never had the ultimate say before," said Krause, who agreed that Jackson has likely developed a greater appreciation for his former Chicago GM (and all GMs and presidents, for that matter) than he had as a coach.

Welcome to the Knicks, where bad decisions don't even just affect management.

CrushAlot wrote:

Dr. Maharam expressed optimism that Anthony will return from surgery the same player he was before without any physical interruptions.

“His career will be fine,” he said. “This is absolutely not a career-ending issue. I would say to Knicks fans: Don’t worry. He’ll be all right. He’s making a good decision to do it now so he can play next year when he gets some good players around him. It’s a good time for him to be hurt because he’s not going to get them to the championship this year. So get fixed and hopefully Jackson will bring in some people.”

Dr. Maharam described Anthony’s condition universally as “jumper’s knee” and involves inflammation of the tendon, during which the “fibers don’t line up parallel anymore,” causing the tendons to swell and become weaker.

The purpose of a debridement procedure, he said, is to scrape and smooth out the tendon “which makes platelets (parts of the blood) come out to your body’s own stem cells to heal it. And you need the six months to heal it again for it to be a strong tendon again without these little knots in it.”

Dr. Maharam said that Anthony likely didn’t exacerbate the injury by playing on it — including 30 minutes in Sunday’s All-Star Game — even though the Knicks star said he’s been experiencing pain since late October.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/doctor-carmelo-anthony-8-months-article-1.2120911

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Six months slides recovery to the doorstep of September.

Conditioning. Timing. Regain confidence. Contact.

October is cutting it close. Careful.

I agree. Also, while I disagree with those that have criticized Melo for conditioning during his time in NY, I do think he tends to gain weight if he isn't working out. He will have a lot to overcome. His best year as a Knick was the year he came played for Team USA.

Yea he already looks big not playing every game

He has definitely plumpened as the season has worn on!

yellowboy90 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:This doesn't seem to be an injury that just happened recently. It seems like a degenerative condition due to wear and tear. It also doesn't have to be a situation that will stop Melo from fulfilling his contract. Once the procedure is done it should, if successful, provide Melo with the needed cartilage to play for years.

The abrasion of a sclerotic lesion superficially removes dead bone, exposes vascularity providing a tissue bed for blood clot attachment. Postoperative joint protection provides an environment for clot organization and fibrous tissue formation. Subsequent fibrocartilage formation has maintained integrity for up to 6 years,

So in theory this operation could give Melo a few years where he can play on the repaired knee. Much like other players who have had similar procedures. Only thing is that Melo is having his work done at an older age so it's hard to know just how it will all work out. If successful tho it should be just what he needs to finish out his career.

We can only hope he has a few productive years left in him like Wade and not like Granger

Didn't Wade also have his MCL or something taken out before the other operation?

Wade and Granger are different because they had other underlying knee issues- Wad had his meniscus removed years ago, and Granger had some sort of degenerative Patella issue

gunsnewing wrote:Thats why I ive been opting to always play on the safe side. This is why I would've not taken the chance on signing Melo

but its too late

ughhhhh

I didn't want to sign him to a monster contract, but I get why we did. People romanticize picks and cap space but the reality is that both of those things eventually have to be used. Picks become Shumperts and Tim Jr's (and worse!). Cap space is an enigma- if it's all you have no one of significance on your roster, no one will come here unless you grossly overpay them and even then some other team who's better will also be willing to overpay them. So essentially, after a point the cap space saved from not signing Melo would have been useless. At least with Melo we can sell what few people make it to FA on the fact we have Melo and our top draft pick and Phil.

The thing that royally screwed us was not having a our pick in 2016- it meant we couldn't really just tank for years and rebuild through the draft.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dr. Maharam expressed optimism that Anthony will return from surgery the same player he was before without any physical interruptions.

“His career will be fine,” he said. “This is absolutely not a career-ending issue. I would say to Knicks fans: Don’t worry. He’ll be all right. He’s making a good decision to do it now so he can play next year when he gets some good players around him. It’s a good time for him to be hurt because he’s not going to get them to the championship this year. So get fixed and hopefully Jackson will bring in some people.”

Dr. Maharam described Anthony’s condition universally as “jumper’s knee” and involves inflammation of the tendon, during which the “fibers don’t line up parallel anymore,” causing the tendons to swell and become weaker.

The purpose of a debridement procedure, he said, is to scrape and smooth out the tendon “which makes platelets (parts of the blood) come out to your body’s own stem cells to heal it. And you need the six months to heal it again for it to be a strong tendon again without these little knots in it.”

Dr. Maharam said that Anthony likely didn’t exacerbate the injury by playing on it — including 30 minutes in Sunday’s All-Star Game — even though the Knicks star said he’s been experiencing pain since late October.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/doctor-carmelo-anthony-8-months-article-1.2120911

Thanks for posting this. Now that changes my stance on this even more. It's not at all the same as Amar'e. What Amar'e had was actually a loss of Cartilage and thus you have to do a Microfracture surgery to cause the body to produce a blood clot that will form into cartilage. The new cartilage isn't as good as the original and will eventually wear down. This Doctor is saying this is a different wear and tear problem and not the cartilage problem, which is the worst thing you can have happen. You don't want any damage but this sound like a totally different issue and not on the same order of what Amar'e had which was deteriorating Knee Cartilage.

Yep. Amare came back from debridement surgery in about a month. His micro fracture surgery is why he is so limited now.

My only remaining worry is Granger never seemed to recover from his- though it's never been said if he had other issues.