VCoug wrote:nixluva wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:IMO the Hawks core 8 players are a very nice group of players, that make sense together and fit the style the coach has them playing. Productive, smart and team oriented players. It seems more attainable than trying to collect 3 stars and hoping you can fill out the rest of the roster. It would take careful decision making and patience. As others have talked about the Hawks almost messed it up several times. It also takes GUTS to go this way since most fans want teams to have big name talent. This approach is less sexy and harder for a GM to justify if the team doesn't take off right away.
G FG FG% 3P% FT% OREB DREB REB AST STL TO PF PTS
1. Jeff Teague 37 5.9 47.9% 35.4% 86.8% 0.4 2.3 2.7 7.4 1.8 2.6 1.9 17.4
2. Paul Millsap 40 6.1 47.7% 33.3% 73.3% 1.7 6.3 7.9 3.2 1.8 2.4 2.7 16.9
3. Al Horford 39 6.8 53.8% 33.3% 73.4% 1.4 5.2 6.6 3.1 0.6 1.2 1.8 15.2
4. Kyle Korver 40 4.2 51.5% 53.6% 92% 0.3 3.9 4.2 2.9 0.7 1.5 1.8 13.2
5. DeMarre Carroll 36 4.1 45.4% 38.8% 68.7% 1.5 4.1 5.6 1.4 1.3 0.9 2.4 11.7
6. Dennis Schroder 39 3.2 44.4% 24.5% 75.3% 0.3 1.6 1.9 3.2 0.9 1.8 1.5 8.1
7. Mike Scott 39 2.7 44.7% 38.5% 83.3% 0.5 2 2.5 1 0.2 0.7 1.3 7.4
8. Thabo Sefolosha 39 1.9 42% 28.6% 78.7% 1 3.4 4.5 1.6 1.1 0.7 1.4 5.39. Kent Bazemore 34 1.2 42.4% 44.1% 60% 0.1 2 2.1 0.6 0.3 0.6 1.3 3.4
10 Shelvin Mack 31 1.7 37.3% 30.6% 78.9% 0.2 1.3 1.5 2.8 0.4 0.9 0.5 4.5
11 Pero Antic 30 2 41.2% 33% 69.8% 0.9 1.9 2.8 0.9 0.3 0.9 2.3 6.3
12 Elton Brand 16 1.4 46.8% — 46.2% 1.1 1.9 3 0.5 0.5 0.4 1.5 3.1
13 Mike Muscala 14 1.9 53.1% 25% 85.7% 1.3 1 2.3 0.3 0.3 0.5 0.9 4.2
14 John Jenkins 3 1.7 45.5% 33.3% 100% — 0.7 0.7 — 0.3 0.3 0.7 4
15 Adreian Payne 3 0.7 28.6% — 50% 0.3 1 1.3 — 0.3 — 1.3 1.7
Phil has a philosophy which should make it easier for him to target specific players who can excel playing the way he wants to play. Phil has to start with his core and build out from there. The Hawks adding Millsap and Korver to Teague and Horford was a huge cornerstone to this teams success. Seeing how they are structured should give hope to the Knick Fans who are wondering how this can work. We will have a different mix of players with Phil doing the choosing but the principle should be the same. Productive, 2 way, well rounded players who can excel in a team oriented system.
you are forgetting that we already have Melo who is a plan fukker upper
Well I Don't think Melo would necessarily mess up Phil's plan. Anytime Melo played with a legit group they had some success so why should he be a detriment to success here with a good group of players? I'm only interested in seeing if Phil can put together a good core group of 8 players we can depend on to produce. The best rosters that Melo has played with weren't great but those teams played well. The WCF's team in Denver and the 54 win team here in NY weren't great teams but at least gave us an indication of what can happen if you put the right talent around Melo.
This time we need to put a team together that has lasting power as well as being a great fit with each other. Just looking at what they did in Atlanta it makes it much more feasible that we could put together a good core group here as well. It's a good model in terms of the kind of players we should be looking for. Efficient players with good overall skills. Melo is just one player and we have a boatload of minutes to assign to the rest of the rotation.
Melo can play well if surrounded by good players and leaders who he must defer to.
the issue is that he is making too much money and there is a very good chance that he will break down and we will be stuck with another injured cap killer.He is too big to fail. too risky.
There is a good chance any player at any given time could break down. Horford has injury risks too, that's just part of the game. The key is putting enough talent alongside Melo so his usage and minutes can be lowered and he isn't working as hard for shots.
IMO some are putting WAY too much emphasis on Melo and not enough on the point of the thread. In the case of Atlanta which shows a VERY realistic goal to shoot for. Phil has enough options available to put a core group together that is equal in quality to what Atlanta has put together. That wouldn't require overpriced stars in order to achieve a high quality roster. Smart planning and a bit of good luck could yield some good results.Watching the Hawks v Pistons right now and the Pistons roster is actually a bit closer to what I think Phil will try to go far in terms of size. Phil is likely gonna want 2 bigs like they have in Detroit. Atlanta is a smallish team which doesn't follow the usual format of what Phil has had. Phil loves big and long teams.
But there are a few problems with that plan. Chief among them is that Melo will be 31 at the end of this season; he'd be the 2nd oldest player on the Hawks. How many years are we going to have to build that kind of a team?
Yeah this method should be just as easy
When we tried to duplicate the Boston and Miami model of putting a team together
Seems like whatever team is winning some fans try to latch on as leeches
To this success thinking somehow it morphs into the franchise they love
Always changes based on the frontrunning cycles of winning huh?
Obviously the Spurs have always been the model to follow
Regardless of what is going on throughout the league
But when the Spurs model was a suggested follow their footsteps closely
I would hear retort conversation that said their way of doing things
Was boring, too tedious, there's only 1 Duncan, low first round draft picks
Will get you nowhere, you gotta have at least 2 Max players on a team to win blah blah blah
Those opposed to the Melo trade initially said in order to beat the Bostons the Miamis
You need to have a more balanced 1-12 instead of a top heavy 1-4
When this was suggested you had to make sure your house windows
Were reinforced with steel bar resistance to avoid the flamed bricks
Being thrown inside from the Magilla Gorilla knuckle draggers
